NBOMe HCl Storage Questions

[slo mo]

What is the shelf life of hcl NBOMe's and preferred storage methods?
If the hcl is in a solution with dH2o and alcohol will it degrade the compound over time?

I have read how PEA's are very stable for years, and would like to know if the NBOMe's is much different .

 

[sekio]

What is the shelf life of hcl NBOMe's and preferred storage methods?
If the hcl is in a solution with dH2o and alcohol will it degrade the compound over time?

1. Long - years or more if stored dry & cool
2. Maybe. I had mould grow in a solution I made with a little surfactant & water (no alcohol) after ~6 months.

 

[slo mo]

1. Long - years or more if stored dry & cool
2. Maybe. I had mould grow in a solution I made with a little surfactant & water (no alcohol) after ~6 months.

Thanks again Sekio. What would the temperature range be for cool?
Alcohol in low ratio will hopefully will keep a solution clean until used up. Is there a thread on dilution? Is there a preferred way to clean and sterilize the vials/bottles?

 

[sekio]

The temperature is more for preventing microbial growth than preventing decomposition. Room temperature is fine but a freezer would also work. Avoid the range of 20-40 degrees C because thats where a lot of bacteria like to grow.

Depending on the bottles you are using, either a quick wipe with alcohol or boiling water will sterilise them. 10% ethyl alcohol or more will help ensure sterility. Other preservatives you can try are potassium sorbate, benzyl alcohol, isopropyl alcohol.

The 25x salts can be hard to dissolve because of their large aromatic moieties, heat and stirring is probably needed. Most people seem to use solutions of 1 to 2mg/ml.

 

[slo mo]

The temperature is more for preventing microbial growth than preventing decomposition. Room temperature is fine but a freezer would also work. Avoid the range of 20-40 degrees C because thats where a lot of bacteria like to grow.

Depending on the bottles you are using, either a quick wipe with alcohol or boiling water will sterilise them. 10% ethyl alcohol or more will help ensure sterility. Other preservatives you can try are potassium sorbate, benzyl alcohol, isopropyl alcohol.

The 25x salts can be hard to dissolve because of their large aromatic moieties, heat and stirring is probably needed. Most people seem to use solutions of 1 to 2mg/ml.

I like the idea of boiling- thanks again.
If the concentration is too hig, the solution sill get crystals in it and require the heating and stirring. 25c does well with 10gm/ml , but 25i doesn't dissolve well with 20mg/ml as I tried it to see

If Oxygen in water doesn't have a harmful effect on the NBOMe solution, would you recommend a liquid over the powder in a vial for storage?

 

[sekio]

In general storing compounds dry is better than storing them as solution.

 

[slo mo]

In general storing compounds dry is better than storing them as solution.

good to know

 

[Solipsis]

Please notice here that there is a NBOMe liquid / storage subthread here:
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