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So, I'm starting to get irritated by all the people who try to put themselves on a higher pedestal by saying "I would never be stupid enough to do a drug that wasn't natural".

Hence, I'm opening a debate as to why or why not that statement is naive, so that I have more ammo to spit back in their faces for next time :D


For instance, ^ MDMA is rated less on the danger scale than many of the drugs (including natural drugs) you would never guess.

Just because it's "Natural" does not make it better or safer for you. Risks come with either.
 
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yeah risks come with either, but Mushrooms or pot would never make someone as depressed and retarded as MDMA will.
 
stoners, a lot of the ones i know
"nah man id never do anything synthetic i just like natural drugs, maaaaaaaaannnnnnnn"
 
I don't think natural vs. synthetic is a very useful way of determining the safety of a substance and how an individual will react to it. I think it's just a way of making people feel that they are not a "druggy" like the rest of those people that use chemicals.

And what's natural anyways? Cocaine comes from a plant, it is just more concentrated and refined.
 
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yeah risks come with either, but Mushrooms or pot would never make someone as depressed and retarded as MDMA will.
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No. They'll just fuck with your head and put you in a psychiatric facility, or give you lung cancer and provoke schizophrenic episodes in individuals who have underlying mental illness. Mushrooms can cause severe psychological trauma even to those who DON'T suffer from a mental illness. So yeah, they can still find their own twisted ways to make you depressed and retarded.


And what's natural anyways? Cocaine comes from a plant, it is just more concentrated and refined.
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MDMA is based off of some sort of sassafras extract I think...
 
i find if you compare mushrooms to LSD; LSD is much more scatterbrained and mushrooms feel more wholesome and slow

so in this sense i find natural and synthetic to have clear differences
 
i see this kinda shit from all the stoners i know all the time on facebook and whatnot.

i always make a point of saying cocaine and heroin are naturally sourced. i mean shit lets all go out and eat a bunch of datura cause it's natural and therefore safe. -.-
 
No. They'll just fuck with your head and put you in a psychiatric facility, or give you lung cancer and provoke schizophrenic episodes in individuals who have underlying mental illness
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Which gives you lung cancer? Got a source?

There's no dichotomy here anyway; anything that exists in this world is natural, even if it's made by humans (after all, we're just animals; do you hear people claiming that honey isn't natural?), and anything that is material is made of chemicals.
 
I smoke a lot of weed every day and would probably be considered a "stoner" by most people but mdma is easily my favorite drug lsd is up there, in the end it comes down to molecules that mess with your receptors. I dont really care if its plants or fungus or people making this shit theres really destructive ones made by both groups you just gotta know how to use them properly without hurting yourself or abusing them to the point where they dont work anymore.
 
Datura = Natural
LSD = Man made
Arsenic = Natural
MDMA = Man Made

Get the idea?

Nature has made some of the most dangerous poisons known to man.. just because something is natural it doesn't make it harmless or any less harmful than something man made.
 
Who's to say MDMA doesn't naturally occur in some plant or animal process? I don't care if it grew from the ground or was synthesised in a lab, they are both chemicals. Made of natural atoms, assembled in ways the laws of nature intend, or they wouldn't exist at all. This is as amusing as "chemical" free food..... that's made of chemicals....
 
I've run into this argument before, its annoying and generally a way for people to kid themselves into thinking they aren't really harming themselves. I have met so many stoners who genuinely believed cannabis could never, ever damage them, and even claimed that it was good for you. Its such bullshit.
 
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Natural or synthetic, they're all just molecules. Some are harmless and some are poison.
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The same molecules that were naturally cooked up in a star billion of years ago make everything you see. People, plants, and drugs are just temporary custodians of them, who knows what they will look like next. Its all the same stuff no matter if it came about deliberately or by chance. Plenty of people would say the creation of pot was a deliberate act by an intelligent deity (god), therefore synthetic by their definition.
 
The same molecules that were naturally cooked up in a star billion of years ago make everything you see.
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No. Matter is neither created nor destroyed, and the elementary particles might have been around for a long time, but there are new molecules being created all the time.
 
i feel like there is a difference between natural drugs and chemicals, but its not that either one is necessarily better.
 
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