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Natural DMT trip - sleep deprivation+benzo?

s2k1099

s2k1099

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A couple of times in this last year I had been awake on an adderall binge for about 6 days. When i was wanting to come down, i would take a vicodin. I was anticipating what may happen so i set up my laptop camera, went to my house, hit record and took the vicodin.

Long story short - I had started to vividly see things that were not there in a conscious state, and basically it got worse until i simply started having a conversation with the wall. I had walked away from my computer for about 45 min and came back and was saying something that wasn't even a language. My head dropped out of no where and i had hit numerous keys on my laptop at the same time. That caused the laptop to make a 'ding' noise. I then shot up out of my dream state and got TERRIFIED looking at my screen saver and was super confused for about 10 seconds. Then i came to.

Basically i remember what i did while i was there - I was literally having conversations with inanimate objects in my house. I could see them and they would talk to me and guide me through the trip.

I was wondering if anyone can touch on this as to the origin? Could the sleep deprivation + vicodin cause me to trip like that?

I took a regular prescribed dose of vicodin and had been taking 30mg IR D/L amphetamines for the 6 days up until that night when i wanted to come down.

Any help or insight would be awesome.

Thanks
 
Hmmmmm sounds alot like a Xanax + Ecstasy(MDMA/MDA) combo, i would hallucinate balls, but its not like hallucinating, but its more like inanimate objects becoming alive kind of hallucination. and like a communicating with something thats not there kind of hallucination.

your trip and my trips sound similar.
ive never done vicodin after a speed binge so i wouldnt know tho
 
Yeah, I was talking to boxes of old shit in the storage room. They were communicating to me (or so it seemed at the time) how to navigate my way past them so i wouldn't have to turn on the light and/or run my chin into some shit and fall down. It really wasn't a bad experience for me at all. I love that kind of thing.

Do you happen to know why those two pills have that effect? Normally Xanax doesn't make one hallucinate nor does ecstasy. I'm curious how the combo achieves the effect
 
Maybe you just entered some delerious state? Im not sure if DMT actually is released when humans dream but I know that a lot of people say it is. Does it relate to peoples exp with other deleriants? I know that coming off of a methamphetamine bing you can halucinate very very vividly if youve been awake for a good few days, not sure about adderal.
 
First of all, vicodin (hydrocodone) is an opiate, not a benzo. And second, what you described is nothing like DMT. It sounds very much like hypnagogia, the phase in between sleep and consciousness that is induced through sleep deprivation, stress, and other factors. Seems pretty clear cut to me, I've had some pretty strange hypnagogic hallucinations on stimulant binges before.
 
It's well documented that lack of REM-sleep (non-dreaming sleep is allowed) results in spontaneous hallucinations.

One theory is that dreams serve to erase accidental incorrect connections in the overlapping-memory-storage scheme that the brain uses, and that denial of the dream-state results in hallucinatory experiencing of these erroneous mental constructs that would normally have gotten "un-remembered."

Sounds to me like all the sleep deprivation is leading to this condition, then the "anti-wakeful" effects of the other drugs are allowing the "errors" to manifest and break thru your conscious sensory impressions. So they are not paradoxical "hallucinations induced by the wrong kind of drug" at all in the sense that would normally be meant.
 
DwayneHoover said:
It's well documented that lack of REM-sleep (non-dreaming sleep is allowed) results in spontaneous hallucinations.

One theory is that dreams serve to erase accidental incorrect connections in the overlapping-memory-storage scheme that the brain uses, and that denial of the dream-state results in hallucinatory experiencing of these erroneous mental constructs that would normally have gotten "un-remembered."

Sounds to me like all the sleep deprivation is leading to this condition, then the "anti-wakeful" effects of the other drugs are allowing the "errors" to manifest and break thru your conscious sensory impressions. So they are not paradoxical "hallucinations induced by the wrong kind of drug" at all in the sense that would normally be meant.
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You sir, are a god. Thanks for posting
 
s2k1099 said:
What about a stimulant of my similar description, but taken with a CNS Depressant? Like a Z-drug
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Zolpidem makes me hallucinate heavily when I take it orally and then I end up not remembering shit the next day as if I had gotten blacked-out drunk. If I take it nasally, it's more of just a euphoric, relaxed, very slightly psychedelic buzz, and usually I have very little memory loss, comparable to just a few beers. I don't know if this holds any value to the original question, but you asked about Z drugs so there ya go. :)

It's well documented that lack of REM-sleep (non-dreaming sleep is allowed) results in spontaneous hallucinations.

One theory is that dreams serve to erase accidental incorrect connections in the overlapping-memory-storage scheme that the brain uses, and that denial of the dream-state results in hallucinatory experiencing of these erroneous mental constructs that would normally have gotten "un-remembered."

Sounds to me like all the sleep deprivation is leading to this condition, then the "anti-wakeful" effects of the other drugs are allowing the "errors" to manifest and break thru your conscious sensory impressions. So they are not paradoxical "hallucinations induced by the wrong kind of drug" at all in the sense that would normally be meant.
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VERY interesting indeed. If this were true, then this means our brains are constantly filtering out things that they simply choose not to process, and when we get extremely tired and lacking of energy, perhaps this filter starts to lose it's fortitude and some things slip through, aka hallucinations? Maybe they're not hallucinations though, maybe they're completely real and our brains are simply programmed by the government to not see any of these supreme, all-powerful, path-guiding storage boxes!!! :D

*runs* 8(
 
s2k1099 said:
No.

This is not psycosis sir - Ive had psycosis before and its fucking terrible. This was hellsa fun
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Psychosis is not necessarily terrible in and of itself. It's defined by losing touch with reality. Were you aware you were tripping while talking to the inanimate objects? If you weren't, it was psychosis. At any rate though, Vicodin is not, to the best of my limited knowledge, a stimulant.
 
temporary psychosis in the right context can be fun, maybe hovering over that line of sanity/insanity while being conscious is a better description. Sleep deprivation can cause this by itself but if you really want to experience this state then deleriants work well or sleep dep + amphetamine will do the trick, i don't recommend it though.

don't try this with a z-drug or a benzo as you will still act the same but not remember any of it. Bad things can happen in that state of mind. I've taken zopiclone at 15-30mg and stayed up plenty of times. it's not exactly fun but it's weird. I certainly wouldn't want to add speed to the mix.
 
There's no evidence whatsoever that DMT is released when you dream - it's just a theory Rick Strassman pulled out of his crack.
 
Ismene said:
There's no evidence whatsoever that DMT is released when you dream - it's just a theory Rick Strassman pulled out of his crack.
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^ I'm glad someone beat me to it. Both the theory of DMT being released in the pineal gland, and the theory of it being released during dreaming/death are just that.. theories, with no real evidence behind either of them. The first has some logic behind it, as Strassman supposed the idea because of it's similarity in structure to Melatonin, which is suggested by science to be produced in the pineal gland. That said though, that's a huge leap from one piece of evidence to that theory, and it's quite likely to be wrong, it's a shame it's touted as fact oh so often.

Sleep deprivation tends to lead to delirium-like hallucinations, your brain is overworked and it's perfectly normal. One of the many reasons why getting a night's sleep is important - as the experience of sleep deprivation is no trip, just psychotic delusional hallucinations with none of the euphoria or insights that psychedelics provide :)
 
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