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National love service? (Cure for incels)

It's really not rocket science determining if someone is genuinely consenting or not. You don't need a spoken yes.

Maybe if you have some kind of social disorder it might be best to have greater clarity. But I'd say for most of us we are quite capable of intuitively determining if someone is an enthusiastic participant, or feeling under duress.

And if you have sex with someone who clearly feels under duress. You're a scumbag. I don't care if he or she gave you a signed consent form. As long as you're not a total asshole and have half way decent social skills, then not assaulting or raping someone really isn't difficult or inconvenient.
 
What about women who get drunk and do things they regret and then cry rape? Maybe a signed consent form would be good for them before they fuck over some random guy's life? 😆
 
I know when I was much younger and more immature having sex (or even appearing to others to be having sex, think of that scene from A Scanner Darkly, "he's not sleeping with her but he acts as if he does") with some chick who was a "10" or whatever was sort of an end in and of itself. This is needless to say a profoundly stupid attitude and is at the heart of not only what's wrong with incels but with what's wrong with our attitude towards sex as reflected in turns of phrase like "scoring" or even "getting lucky." This is also the root of a lot of iffy sexual encounters with questionable consent. Guys can have recourse to pornography or even prostitutes if they just want to bust a nut, the idea that they "score" points of some kind by hooking up with random women is objectifying and degenerate (to criticize it from both a feminist and a culturally conservative point of view, it's wrong on both ends.)
 
What about women who get drunk and do things they regret and then cry rape? Maybe a signed consent form would be good for them before they fuck over some random guy's life? 😆
you live in the states? far as i know, only universities enforce that in their own judicial system. which is a big injustice to get expelled over drunk sex.

i’ve never heard of a real court of usa law making such a conviction. plea bargains are a problem. but if the girl admits to be intoxicated yet coherent, they throw it out. intoxicated to the point of incoherence is rape, morally and legally.
 
I know when I was much younger and more immature having sex (or even appearing to others to be having sex, think of that scene from A Scanner Darkly, "he's not sleeping with her but he acts as if he does")

He acts as if he does many things.

I love that movie. :)
 
there are non-verbal signals of consent. i'm not saying you are suggesting otherwise, but some radicals are.
oh I know. you don't need like a written contract affirming consent to have consent. if she hurriedly and hungrily stuffs your dick inside her, that's obviously consent. only concern trolls make ridiculous arguments like "well if she didn't openly and explicitly say 'yes' and sign a 10 page binding contract before intercourse then it's rape"
 
It's really not rocket science determining if someone is genuinely consenting or not. You don't need a spoken yes.

Maybe if you have some kind of social disorder it might be best to have greater clarity. But I'd say for most of us we are quite capable of intuitively determining if someone is an enthusiastic participant, or feeling under duress.

And if you have sex with someone who clearly feels under duress. You're a scumbag. I don't care if he or she gave you a signed consent form. As long as you're not a total asshole and have half way decent social skills, then not assaulting or raping someone really isn't difficult or inconvenient.

Maybe bringing back chaperones like days of old and teaching traditional social behaviours would help.

Sounds silly but simple things like how to shake a hand, make small talk, personal presentation, elocution, these things do help. Sex isn't something that should be expected, what happened to getting to know people first, is it that hard to talk that sex is easier? blah, screwing someone with no social skills doesnt sound sexy at all. lol

IDC if these things seem sexist, they aren't, people have issues communicating as it is so back to the drawing board, at least get some personal banter so the cues for interest in sex are obvious , anyone just interested in sex are boring anyway
 
oh I know. you don't need like a written contract affirming consent to have consent. if she hurriedly and hungrily stuffs your dick inside her, that's obviously consent. only concern trolls make ridiculous arguments like "well if she didn't openly and explicitly say 'yes' and sign a 10 page binding contract before intercourse then it's rape"


Meh, there's legal avenues for stuff like that.
 
Alright I'mma try approach this topic with a serious answer because I hang around on the internet enough that I've come across more than a few self-identified "incels" and I do know the exact type...

'Incels' are just awkward geeks who cant get laid because they're awkward geeks (I should know because I was one myself, way back in the mists of time before everything had to have a fuckin label). Most people grow out of it in time and realise that rather than being 'loveshy', they were just awkward geeks.

The first step in combatting this issue is admitting that the problem is within oneself rather than blaming life, the universe and everything. The next step is to stop frequenting social media groups that reinforce ones dorkishness and get out into real life. The next is realising that men have always had problems getting laid, it's by no means a modern phenomenon. Finally, obtain a personality (a healthy bank balance often works wonders as well.. ;) )

This man speaks truth. It really is as simple as that.

If you don't take ownership of your issues they will never be fixed. You can sit online all day and blame everyone else for everything that happens to you. You might feel better for five minutes. But your problems will still be there tomorrow.

So don't just sit there and wallow in self-pity, if you think you are too ugly and awkward to get a gf and that makes you depressed... fucking do something to change it! Here's a start. We have a saying on the internet that goes "do you even lift bro?"

The most important point of all is that frequenting forums, groups, chat rooms, whatever online community you use where you reinforce each other's misery is making you worse, not better. Stop that shit and instead look in the mirror and deal with your issues.

Even good looking women can be loveshy and dorky. It is a phase of life for everyone.

This is true. A common view amongst incels is that women can never have the same problems. Which is just bollox. Plenty of awkward girls with social anxiety etc out there.

Another thing to remember for 'incels', is that people develop at different rates. A frustrated 18 year old watching all his mates getting the action he craves, often finds that by his early 20s he has suddenly become 'hot' while his mates all have pot bellies and receding hairlines. Everything comes to he who waits...

Not to mention that everyone bullshits about how much they get laid when they're 16. Do people really keep believing that crap as adults?

tell that to the Japanese who are experiencing a whole generation who isn't marrying, partnering or reproducing. They must be all be awkward nerds with no money.

It doesn't really make sense to directly compare Western and Japanese cultures because they're totally different societies.

The problem in Japan, in a nutshell, is basically that there are traditionalist social expectations where the man is expected to work long hours to pay for not only his wife but also both their families. A significant proportion of men decide this is stupid and pointless so they just don't bother at all. This is why they are unmarried. It is not because they are incels who cannot find a gf, it is because the social expectations in their culture are stupidly high and they just decide not to play.

If you want to put an internet label on it, the Japanese guys you refer to are more MGTOW rather than incel.

But regardless what we call it, here's the thing... you probably don't live in Japan and nor do most people here. Most of us live in Western societies with much more liberal social dynamics. So the issues facing guys in Japan are not at all relevant to us.

Not hating on the Japanese don't get me wrong. I like Bape hoodies and Death Note. But if they wanna change the "herbivore men" they need wide scale social changes.
 
sorry. Inappropriate question.

I will just say that incels can be very threatening to women.
Very scary situation for unsuspecting women.

I hope they can figure their problems out without hurting, abusing, or stalking women.
It is NOT cool!
 
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HELP! SOS!!
I have an incel who I cannot get rid of!

I ignore him and have ignored him for months and months. I made it clear I want nothing to do with him.
I do not like his negative energy and his weird possessiveness freaks me out.
like, how do you have a “relationship “ on the computer? or phone? I don’t get that at all!

I thought I was rid of this guy. Somehow he just sent me an instant message!??
I deleted him from my message contact list.
How is he able to send me a message?

This isn't really the right place for this question. If he's contacting you here on bluelight, I recommend contacting an admin or the site technical help subforum.

If it's somewhere else, you could try the current events politics and science subforum. I think it's now the main place for general technical discussions.
 
A guy called into Howard Stern's show the other morning. He said he's an incel and MGTOW. He's 29 years old and never got laid. He said "Women owe us! They should just smile and blow me!" Total douchebag.

He said incels LOVE Elliot Rodger and Alex Jones. Howard told him he sounded effeminate and asked if he's into guys.
He said he'd blow Alex Jones. lol So maybe his problem is he's gay and can't accept it.

It's disgusting he said incels love Elliot Rodger. He was so angry and sounded like he's next in line to do something like this:

 
Heres proof... by Donald Trump
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