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National ecstasy study - a rethink?

Belarki whos posts were snipped?

My points

1) ignorant users who buy anything <---- the people dealers make most money off, and the type of ppl the survey needs?
2) people who know what mdma is <---- only buy singles to see whats good, not really money makers for dealers.
3) people who know what mdma is but have moved on to other drugs <---- probablly cant be surveyed because they dont take esctasy regulary? The whole point of this thread.

And I can assure you 1 stands true, no way my former source for pills, I use ice now, for the past 2 years gone through 7 flashy modified rice box cars, always the newest phone out, 2 overseas trips and drinking almost every night and not even having a full time or part time job since he finished high school. I dont think he would be living that lifestyle if he was just selling singles
 
Hey grugz, there were a few edited posts and a few that were straight out unapproved. No need for details, I was just suggesting everyone take a more civil approach to the discussion.

I'm out of the scene now but waaaaay back in the old days, user type 2) that you'd definted would get free single samples from batches, and then buy in bulk when they were happy with the product. I guess given the nature of the market of the moment that's no longer happening or the dealers would never make any money...
 
belarki haha i really meant, i didnt see any of my posts edited/removed

yeh i used to get freebes to try, not anymore, they know its crap so they have to make every single one count. but obviously there is still people buying alot or they all be outta business a long time ago.

Group 2 would eventually give up and quit or move to group 3. i know plenty of dealers who have switched from pills to other stuff because its better to make money.

But still one of the guys i know b/c he still moves a substantial amount fortnightly, meaning there is still a large porpotion of the market willing to buy crap
 
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Tronica said:
Should drug monitoring systems in Australia be based on use of 'party drugs' more generally rather than just 'ecstasy'? If, as many here have commented, former ecstasy users are forced to turn to other drugs due to lack of availability, are researchers really talking to MDxx users... or just to people who've bought some 'cap' which probably contains BZP?
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To answer your first question, most definitely! With the increase in the price of Alcohol and the with the increased accpetance of mdxx use in the party/club scene many people will opt for the pill form if available. Being that mdxx is sold in pill form and there being so much misinforation out there amongst users people will got hold of any pill these days and tell you they had an 'eccy'.

I think an interesting thing to look at is whether or not people really understands the risks they are taking consuming so many unknown party drugs.

Researchers most likely will end up talking to people that think are using mdxx but in reality don't know what they buy from friends in clubs becuase let's face it, the vast majority of party goers don't use testers nor would they know what one is.

Another point to note is the lack of quality mdxx isn't necessarily turning people to other drugs but away from party drugs. mdxx having become so widely accepted was/is similar to going out for a night on the drink with mates but to many other people, indulging in other party drugs carry a different social stigma which they prefer to avoid. Mostly this is due to lack of information and ignorance from what I have seen and heard.

Having said that, when some RC's are as commercial or mainstream as mdxx became so accepted people will then feel more comfortable to use these.

These are all just my opinions though.
 
I took part in this study last weekend.

Found it frustrating that I couldn't explain how I felt about the drug scene. Every answer that I gave had to be yes or no, a number or a on a scale.
There were no open ended questions.

Its a shame that "ecstasy" is considered anything that is pressed into a pill form when really it should be an MDMA containing pill.
 
It's still frustrating to not be able to explain your thoughts on the scene. Grugz is right though - it's a huge survey (800 or so people from across Oz) and it is collated very quickly so they need the results to be in categories, easier to count and present the results.

There are other research projects that offer a more qualitative approach - where you can tell your story rather than only respond to predetermined answers. Keep watch at Drug Studies forum for other research opportunities :)
 
@lostNfound
Interesting thoughts, thanks... I do wonder whether any RCs will become as accepted as MDxx. Eg. something like 2CB is quite a pleasant drug, not too 'trippy' for an RC. Maybe if it were more available, it could become a substitute. Even if this happened, there isn't that much info about the long term effects of RC use - how do we know whether it is better or worse than MDxx? We don't really...

Another point is that the researchers for this study obviously already know they aren't necessarily talking to MDxx users. In the end though, does it matter? They know they are talking to people who use 'pills' whatever they may be. There is no way of actually determining the content of people's pills in an interview with them - I don't think asking them to describe the feeling they get will be accurate enough to determine what they are taking. Unless we design a study where we send free testing kits to people a few months beforehand and then interview them, then there would at least be some data about what they are (or are not!) taking.
 
Grugz - I do understand that all the answers need to be quantifiable. Otherwise it would be too hard to group all the answers together, analyse and report findings.

It was frustrating because I couldn't get across points that I wanted to make and I didn't feel that my answers truely rconvey my experiences.

THe results would be reasonably true but some parts of the questionare wont be true.

EG If you take "ecstasy" which contains 2CB do you answer yes to having taken "ecstasy" or 2CB?
 
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Hey guys and gals. I'm being interviewed as a part of this study tomorrow, but as far as I know not doing the standard interview so won't be restricted to multiple-choice type responses. If there is anything anyone here would like me discuss with the researcher, any particular points about ecstacy usage, trends, harm minimisation, availability & price (yes even stuff we discourage talking about here) etc that you'd like raised, then please let me know? :)
 
Ooooh Belarki is considered a Key Expert now!!! Where do I get this kind of certification?

nevermind, i had it on ABC... lol

Good shit but man, let us know how it went
 
^ haha I don't consider myself a "key expert", hence I omitted the title of the interview out of modesty :P :) My question stands though; if anyone has anything they'd like me to mention to the researcher conducting the interview then let me know asap?
 
belarki said:
^ haha I don't consider myself a "key expert", hence I omitted the title of the interview out of modesty :P :) My question stands though; if anyone has anything they'd like me to mention to the researcher conducting the interview then let me know asap?
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I think the point is kinda moot though, like what would you put forward to the researcher that they could use - if its not relevant to the data their collecting for the study? Isn't that kind of thing best left to utilize in the actual media?

Obviously i retract my statement if there is some way of making a significant impact that i can't forsee
 
belarki said:
^ haha I don't consider myself a "key expert", hence I omitted the title of the interview out of modesty :P :) My question stands though; if anyone has anything they'd like me to mention to the researcher conducting the interview then let me know asap?
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Judging from my own conversation with the researchers, they seem to be aware of the current situation as much as we are, but questions still have to fall in line with those of past years in order to compare trends.

Seeing as your a "key expert" %) if you could just reinforce the usual points that we all know, but the public probably does not - that would be great.

For example...
  • Lack of actual MDMA
  • "Ecstasy" is now usually adulterated therefore potentially dangerous
  • Relative safety of MDMA
  • Lack of MDMA turning users to other chems. ie. ice
 
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