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Nardil + Lyrica - what dosage for Lyrica ?

Diego222

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I have been 2 and a half weeks on 45 mg of Nardil (split in three doses) together with 150mg of Lyrica (for evening). For now, I plan to go to max 60mg of Nardil.

I wonder to know, what is the highest dosage of Lyrica I can take in combination with Nardil and I am still safe ? Also, I am curious to know, what other meds are worth a try with Nardil to get better effects ( until now I have not got any positive effects from this combo) ?

I also wonder, if is there any study referring to this combo (so far, I have not found any research) ?

Thank you
 
Hey, its helpful to list generic names with the drugs in question, and while this isn't too advanced I'll let it slide since a quick google search turns up nothing.
I'd hazard a guess that they'd be relatively safe to mix due to the lack of MAOI and P450 interactions they have, but you should really talk to your doctor or pharmacist about this.
 
Most pregabalin is excreted unchanged, with a small, small amount being n-methylated. Since there's no interaction, a typical dose of pregabalin is fine.

No way this is ADD material. Now moving...

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They're fine in combination as others have said. I used to be on Phenelzine--I found modafinil countered the daytime drowsiness very well.
 
Hey, its helpful to list generic names with the drugs in question, and while this isn't too advanced I'll let it slide since a quick google search turns up nothing.
I'd hazard a guess that they'd be relatively safe to mix due to the lack of MAOI and P450 interactions they have, but you should really talk to your doctor or pharmacist about this.


Unfortunately, my doctor has poor knowledge of Phenelzine (or better said no informations about these older MAOIs) and I am just his first patient on this drug at all. The Nardil is not marketed/approved in my country and I have to order it form different country. Also, Lyrica(pregabalin) is the same story as Nardil, since this drug may only prescribe neurologist here and due to this issue my doc has not any experiences with pregabalin.

I have not found any study or any other informations relating to this combo, so I have no idea what dosage for Lyrica is still safe to take with Nardil ? I would like to hear any experiences about this combination from someone who has been on it.
 
Could you please mention about your experiences with Modafinil in combination with Nardil ? Have you ever tried pregabaline with Nardil ? Thanks.
 
Could you please mention about your experiences with Modafinil in combination with Nardil ? Have you ever tried pregabaline with Nardil ? Thanks.

Unfortunately I can't comment on pregbalin and nardil--it's not an uncommon combination (once you're within the realm of people prescribed nardil of course--nardil itself is a rare script to get) though.

Anyways, on to the modafinil:

My background: Severe MDD, Moderate (formerly severe) social anxiety--I have therapy, at this point I'd only been prescribed xanax before and I used (not with any regularity, except the piracetam and modafinil) piracetam, modafinil, d-amphetamine, phenibut and the occasional benzo or opioid to "treat" my symptoms (ehh, I wouldn't get high off anything, I'd use all of them, essentially for my social anxiety--since my depression is the result of my failure of a social life from the social anxiety which itself stems from childhood abuse). Nardil was the first anti-depressant I was prescribed. My p-doc offered me MAOI's and told me I could pick, went with Nardil for the social anxiety.

It worked wonderful, but it did make me tired during the day (though I didn't have insomnia like some people did). I started with 15mg/day for 2 days, bumped up to 30mg/day for a week and a half, and then 45mg/day for two days. I then dropped down to 15mg for 2 days and withdrew from it (It made me worse at mathematics--I found it more difficult to think linearly, though in general I do find myself better at math when I'm depressed. Math is also all I really have in life, so I couldn't drop it.). So I was on it for slightly less than 3 weeks total, not enough for it's "anti-depressant" effects to kick in, supposedly, but the anxiolytic ones were great.

So I didn't like the daytime drowsiness, it made work even more difficult to do. I read online about combining modafinil with it, and it seems safe given that modafinil is only a really mild dopamine reuptake inhibitor with negligible effects (if any) on the serotonin and norepinephrine pathways. I didn't consult my p-doc about it. I started taking 100mg modafinil a day with it. It kept me completely awake, so no drowsiness, and I didn't have any trouble sleeping later in the evening. I found it boosted my mood even more, and it made me very social. I wasn't anxious at all, great at small talk, and I met a lot of new people and spent a lot of time socializing and enjoying it (the two have always been mutually exclusive for me). I didn't notice any side effects on it, I never had any from the modafinil. I had pretty bad constipation from the nardil, which caffeine helped with as well as the occasional docusate sodium(sp?). It's risky to take a lot of laxatives on nardil since they are meant to stimulate peristalsis in the intestines. So I went with ducosate sodium because other people on Nardil seemed to have positive experiences with it--it's a stool softener, it allows additional water to be absorbed into stool. Supposedly bad to use regularly though because your digestive system with adapt to it (from the papers I've read, though some p-docs will let their patients use them very regularly anyways), so I used it once a week.

I'm not sure if all this was helpful or not, but overall, I'd give modafinil a 10/10, kept me awake with no negative side effects (I had been taking it for 100mg 5-7 days of the week for the past 2 months, for a month prior I took 50mg and I've noticed a tolerance increase, but it builds fairly slowly). Start with 50mg though if you've never had it. And if you're in the U.S. it's ridiculously expensive here if you go through the traditional script->pharmacy, but it's only schedule IV and cheap in many other areas of the world (sorry if this is too suggestive?)
 
Thank you for your response and advice,

Yesterday I finally got a script for Provigil and I am very disappointed with its effects on me :(
I took my first pill of 100 mg Provigil for the first time ever. A few hours after that, I felt more tired and sleepy as commonly and I also felt a little bit of headache and later, towards to end of the day I felt irritated and I was totally exhausted and tired !
This morning I felt still dizzy and sleepy + tired and moreover I had problems with a concentaction in terms of blurred vision, fogging... or something like in this sense. I have also drunk a very strong coffee but I still feel tired - sleepy and dizzy ( I did not take any modafinil this morning).

I do not understand this paradoxical reaction. I got a script for Modafinil mostly due to fatigue and tiredness on Nardil and Lyrica, but after I have tried modafinil, it seems even wore as without it.

Why do I got paradoxical reactions?

Are these side effects only TEMPORARY or PERMANENTLY in your opinion ?
 
Was that brand-name Provigil or a generic? I've heard that some generics don't work right / at all. I think it's because of the difficulty of formulating something that insoluble into an absorbable pill.
 
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