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n,n,DMT on your own VS with friends

SirTophamHat said:
Then again everyone's experience is different %) What I mean is that I don't think it has to have a religious context put to it.
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tbh I've had exactly one dmt-trip that was truly spritual. my view on dmt is heavily biased by that experience...

but I still think a straight positivistic, rationalistic, materialistic, scepticistic,...well...atheistic(in the sense of: there is nothing transcendent, everything is obvious and can be measured) thinker will have troubles with his world view after experiencing a good dose of dmt.
 
SirTophamHat said:
Then again everyone's experience is different %) What I mean is that I don't think it has to have a religious context put to it.
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I can understand why people apply religions context's to their experience's with DMT, religion center's around spirituality; self-realization if you will. When your presented with that enormous responsibility that you are infact everything, thats when you begin to understand religion a little better..

Buddhism has a huge draw to it from alot of psychedelic users. I feel this is because it does the best job at explaining what can only truly ever be experienced to be known.

The irony of this is, no words will ever be capable of explaining 'being' to another person on a level where they fully grasp the concept, therefor any attempt to explain it is always going to seem ridiculous.. ie: "Religion". ;)
 
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Trouble is when you talk to most buddhist "masters" they claim you can't take drugs because Buddhism expressly forbids this. They usually imply that taking drugs is for idiots but Buddhism is the "true way". What a load of horseshit.

Then you read about the "Buddhist monks" in Tibet who used the local population as slaves and gouged their eyes out and cut their hands off if they dared steal from the enlightened ones. I guess "No attachment to possessions" doesn't hold much weight in reality.
 
DMT is beyond any belief system because the entitites it puts you in touch with, the space it shows you, blows all question of belief out of the equation. The spirit molecule shows you that what you thought was 'the equation', does not add up.

Anyone familiar with hyperspace would find it very difficult to cling to an ontology comprised of purely human souls inhabiting a purely material plane. Makes the idea a laughing stock.

Hyperspace, I'm convinced, is not my subconscious mind. There are no religious or spiritual models which explain it.

DMT dissolves belief. In other words: Dissolve My Theory :D
 
O.K., I'm going to revise my previous statement about DMT being an entirely personal experience.

I have never done DMT socially, but I can imagine that at low to moderate doses, it definitely could work in social situations. It's just the breakthrough level doses that I couldn't imagine doing with anyone else (except a S.O. probably). At that point, you're so far removed from the sober state of mind that there's no way anyone else can empathize with you -- your body language is not going to communicate whatsoever what is going on inside your head -- and that's something I'd be self-conscious about.

But hey. I don't even like getting stoned with friends. :D
 
theghostofbillhicks said:
DMT is beyond any belief system because the entitites it puts you in touch with, the space it shows you, blows all question of belief out of the equation. The spirit molecule shows you that what you thought was 'the equation', does not add up.
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Or you are just highly intoxicated on a powerful mind altering drug to which you are giving entirely too much credit.

Nitrous, ketamine, salvia, even huffing gasoline can get you where you're talking about.
 
Psychedelic drugs aren't really about beliefs. Seeing is believing -- but other than that, "belief" is outside of mind-altering drugs' reach IMHO. Psychedelics are about tripping. Which is a pretty deep and mysterious thing...
 
^good.

Psychedelics arent' supposed to be about dogmas, but rather about experiences ... taking that experience out of the moment that you are having it and trying to structure a dogma around it that you carry around with you beyond the trip can onyl be problematic
 
Ismene said:
Trouble is when you talk to most buddhist "masters" they claim you can't take drugs because Buddhism expressly forbids this. They usually imply that taking drugs is for idiots but Buddhism is the "true way". What a load of horseshit.

Then you read about the "Buddhist monks" in Tibet who used the local population as slaves and gouged their eyes out and cut their hands off if they dared steal from the enlightened ones. I guess "No attachment to possessions" doesn't hold much weight in reality.
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Religion is quite a bit different from being connected with existence.

In fact, any indirect means of doing so aren't doing the concept of spirituality any favors in my opinion because they are pretty retarded in structural relation to a time line once dogma and connotations of single perception being actually correct are taken seriously and built upon.

The word "God" can eat shit and die according to early connotations of what I had seen as such in our world. Same with the concept of Buddhism being a religion even though it is a pretty damn nice set of teachings.


Nothing is sacred for everybody, except for nothing.
 
ive read everybody's post on this thread...

so is it better for a newbie to try DMT for the first time with a sitter?
 
I say with a sitter, but only if its an experienced sitter just because its a very good thing to have someone to light it for you until you can figure it out yourself.

I prefer to do the deems by myself.
 
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