My upcoming cycle.

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jm357357

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Hi, this is my first post on this forum on bluelight (and I have only made a couple of posts on other areas, but I like the general attitude on this board (not to say I don't know a lot of good guys on other boards, but there seems to be less of the assholes here). I wanted to post my upcoming cycle and give some background information first to get some feedback.

General info:
Stats (now): 67.5 inches tall, 193 pounds, 9-11% bodyfat, 24 years old; bench: 320 1rm, squat 420-450 1 rm (haven't gone quite to 1 rep recently, only down to 3), deadlift 400 1rm (but I was recently doing a westside barbell type routine and was not specifically training the deadlift (focus on the squat and bench and assistance including straight leg deadlifts)). Also I have been having problems producing natural testosterone (it is 250 ng/dl, most likely due to buprenorphine which has hit my levels worse than any short acting opiate ever did; I have had a sub. abuse problem but never used AAS compulsively before and have always actually been better at not using (less incidences and never really had a habit while on) other stuff while cycling; also I have been unable to work, because it is mostly physical labor or exercise more than 5 hours a week or so due to not being able to recover).

Stats (Dec. 2008, before having to take time off): 67.5 inches, 215 lbs, 12-13% bodyfat, 23 years old, bench 430 lbs, squat 550 lbs, deadlift 600 lbs (but I can't gaurentee those lifts would have made it at a meet, I don't use bad form like bouncing or arching my back, and I touch the bar to my chest on the bench but good form and making it at a meet are two different things. All the lifts listed are raw (no bench shirt etc.) though).

Cycle history: at 17: Test prop and winstrol for about 9 weeks, arimidex while on, novladex for pct (I do know 17 was too young), then test enan. and boldenon und. for 10 weeks after followed by novladex (but I definately did not take advantage of that cycle at all).

23: June/July: Superdrol and Pheraplex (methyldrostanolone and di-some prefix I forgot but knew at the time- testoseterone (what pheraplex was). September-early january: Test prop and tren. acetate (150mgs test and 75 mgs of tren eod), hcg at 250ius ed for 8 days at week 6, 10, and for 12 days right near the end. Novladex during at 10-30mgs a day depending during, and for pct. I gained 15 pounds and lost a few percent bodyfat (so prob gained 21-22 lbs of muscle and lost 6 pounds of fat or so).

Just recently (ended about 2 weeks ago) I used IGF-1 LR3 at 20mcgs a day (I've read some research that the huge doses may be a waste or may actually be counterproductive) and I gained about 2 pounds and went down 1-2% BF according to calipers and my wife's and others comments.

This cycle:
week 1: Test E 750 mgs
week 2: Test E 450 mgs
week 3: Test E 450 mgs and Boldenone Und. at 1400-1800 mgs (the reason I'm waiting to have it is I will be waiting for it; normally I wouldn't start but I can't take having low test anymore; I should be getting an opportunity at employment
week 4: Test E 450mgs and Boldenone Und. at 1200mgs
weeks 5-10: Test E450mgs and boldenone Und. at 800mgs (the prior weeks were a frontload to avoid having to run it for 12-14 weeks to see any results)
weeks 11-12: Test E 450mgs
week 13: Test E 100 mgs, Test prop 50mgs eod
weeks 14-16: Test prop 100mgs eod, Test E 100mgs/week
HCG at 2 shots, 4 days apart, 500-1000 ius, every 4th week, and 4 shots at the end.
Possibly HMG (FSH) 75 ius once every 4 weeks during the cycle part
Novladex and arimidex as needed to keep normal estro levels, novla and possibly clomid after.
weeks 17-22 Test E 100mgs (with the novla and clomid at low doses).

Not sure after that, I know it is a lot but I want to get back to powerlifting and possibly personal training. After the first actual cycle part I won't run high doses for more than 8 weeks, with 4-6 weeks off. Also I plan on running IGF-1 LR3 after the cycle part, and possibly HGH 6 months down the road. I do realize there is some danger of permanent suppression if I run it too long, but my wife is already pregnant and I plan on making a few sperm donations (using HCG/HMG probably). I accept this may happen, but there are quite a few studies of using test for 1-2.5 years straight with no incidences of perm. suppression (male birth control studies).
 
jm357357 said:
This cycle:
week 1: Test E 750 mgs
week 2: Test E 450 mgs
week 3: Test E 450 mgs and Boldenone Und. at 1400-1800 mgs (the reason I'm waiting to have it is I will be waiting for it; normally I wouldn't start but I can't take having low test anymore; I should be getting an opportunity at employment
week 4: Test E 450mgs and Boldenone Und. at 1200mgs
weeks 5-10: Test E450mgs and boldenone Und. at 800mgs (the prior weeks were a frontload to avoid having to run it for 12-14 weeks to see any results)
weeks 11-12: Test E 450mgs
week 13: Test E 100 mgs, Test prop 50mgs eod
weeks 14-16: Test prop 100mgs eod, Test E 100mgs/week
HCG at 2 shots, 4 days apart, 500-1000 ius, every 4th week, and 4 shots at the end.
Possibly HMG (FSH) 75 ius once every 4 weeks during the cycle part
Novladex and arimidex as needed to keep normal estro levels, novla and possibly clomid after.
weeks 17-22 Test E 100mgs (with the novla and clomid at low doses).

Not sure after that, I know it is a lot but I want to get back to powerlifting and possibly personal training. After the first actual cycle part I won't run high doses for more than 8 weeks, with 4-6 weeks off. Also I plan on running IGF-1 LR3 after the cycle part, and possibly HGH 6 months down the road. I do realize there is some danger of permanent suppression if I run it too long, but my wife is already pregnant and I plan on making a few sperm donations (using HCG/HMG probably). I accept this may happen, but there are quite a few studies of using test for 1-2.5 years straight with no incidences of perm. suppression (male birth control studies).
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Frontloading is worthless, it does not get the hormone to kick in any faster and you will face a horrible hormone spike when your levels drop down to the dose you will be running for the cycle, you will be much better off kickstarting with prop for 4-6 weeks until the enanthate kicks in

Don't run EQ over 600 mg/wk, there is absolutely no point in this as the gains over 600 mg/wk for 98% of people that run it are not any better than at 600 mg/wk...also EQ needs to be ran minimum of 12 weeks and the longer the better...again higher dosages from frontloading are not going to make the results come sooner, that is based on the ester and there is no way to change that unless you get some bold cyp or bold prop

there is no reason to run the test e at 100 mg/wk when you start the prop...you will have a very small amount of enanthate being broken down at each half-life and it will basically be a waste...I'd either keep the dose high or stop it completely and just use the prop...if you are going to stay on the enanthate you need to keep the dose at at least 250 mg/wk

hcg is better ran at 250 iu 2x/wk for the entire cycle starting around weeks 2-3 and then you can do a blast around weeks 8, 12, and 16 at 1000 iu/wk or whatever but you still need to run it during the rest of the cycle as well

HMG is for sperm production (I know you are aware of this, just pointing it out again) and should be ran ed for two weeks not just once every 4 weeks but 75 iu is the common dosage

DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT run Nolva or Clomid while taking exogenous hormones...they are for PCT not on-cycle...you only want to use nolva on cycle if you have gyno flare up...use an AI, either the adex you mentioned or some aromasin while on cycle but DO NOT, DO NOT, DO NOT run nolva or clomid on cycle...you also don't want to run them until 4 days after your last hcg injection as this can cause a greater spike in estrogen and interfere with the nolva and clomid

you should be fine recovering, even after long cycles...it is nearly impossible to completely shut yourself down, though the longer you run the cycle the longer and harder it will be to recover

 
Thank you for the advice maakshif. I was sorta looking at the frontload the same way it works with other non-ester drugs when you are dosing much more often than the half-life (and I figured that the reason it didn't work right off the bat was that there wasn't enough of it, basically that like 3/4 of week 1's would be there week 2, then 1/2 of week 1's (approx. depending who you listen to for its half-life) and 3/4 of week's 2 dose would be there on week 3, etc.) but I get what you are saying about it. I'm using the undec. b/c that is what the raw supplier I use normally has (and he is cheapest due to going 50-100g amounts as opposed to 10g)- also just let me say I'm not looking for sources or giving them here, just clarifying that b/c I hope that last statement was saying too much- but I could get a small amount (enough for a cycle) of the cyp, but boldenone is pretty mild so I don't think I'd have a problem running it for 14 weeks. As far as the test e goes I was going to run the 100mgs a week b/c I was going to run it as my replacement during my off time and I didn't want to have to drop to below normal levels during that period, but I wanted them to go to that level quickly; that was due to fear of not having enough "off" (or low dose time, the whole "blast/cruise" thing is big on a lot of boards now). I had done a lot of research and saw several studies showing long term use (like a Chinese study lasting 30 months and a WHO study lasting over a year) with no major problems restarting nat. production (even w/o pct, which isn't a good idea b/c it would take longer but it looks as if even without it eventually one would get their production back) and I really had a hard time finding anyone who was permanently shut down. When I said that on other boards though everyone pounced, to the point where they were yelling about 20 or even 16 week cycles being "dangerous" in that respect. Hearing what I had suspected from others now though does help increase my confidence in this. An interesting piece of info on this: my sister is transgendered (she was born my brother) and while going through the process of taking estrogen the doctors told her that so long as they had not done the surgery yet she could go back, even if she had been taking estrogen for 2 years, and the test production would eventually come back.

The biggest reason I first wanted to use boldenone was due to its effect on collagen synthesis; had I been planning this 6 months ago I would have probably gone just test, maybe starting at 600mgs and moving up to 800 depending on how I felt and possibly throwing in proviron (to decrease estrogen and increase strength). But a lot of people (and a couple studies I've seen) are claiming that at high doses test DECREASES collagen synthesis and therefore tendon strength, but that boldenone does the opposite and is one of the best for this, and to add to that I have a hard time eating a lot of solid food (I make a 5,000ish cal (the exact amounts of ingredients vary) shake out of 52-60 oz. of milk, 20 oz. of egg beaters, 1-1.5 cups of nat. PB, 8 scoops of whey (soon I want to use 5 scoops whey and 3 scoops of casein), 2 yogurts, 3-6 tbsp. light (as in flavor not cals) olive oil, 4 tbsps. choc. syrup, and a few tbsps. of benefiber, and I'd like to get some of the oatmeal that dissolves in water but I'm not so confident it would still have such a low GI, and drink it over 2-3 days in 4-6 servings a day; then use a multi vit., vits. C, E, B complex, ZMA, fish oil, glucosamine and chrondroitin, and cranberry extract due to me getting 1800-3000 out of my 4000 cals from liquids) and boldenone should help with this.

Also, even though I wrote the dosages as simply per week it would be split into 2 shots 3 days apart.

So with your advice I'm thinking:
weeks 1-10: Test E 600mgs a week (300mgsx2)
weeks 3-14: Boldenone 600mgs a week (300x2, even though it is def. a long enough ester, unlike the enan., to use it once a week and being that it is a liquid at room temp. it should be manageable pain wise at 300-400mgs/ml; I just would rather mix it with the test)
weeks 11-14 test cyp. (forgot that, it is just what I'll have around most likely, if I get more enan. I will just continue that)
weeks 15-18: test cyp 250 mgs/ml and prop 100mgs eod
weeks 19-24: test cyp. 75mgs every 4 days
weeks 4-9 and 19-24: IGF 1 LR3 at 20mcgs a day
weeks 2-14: adex .25mgs a day
weeks 15-18: adex .5-.75mgs a day

Should I really not use clomid or novla during weeks 19-24 (when I am at a replacement dose?) there seems to be an opinion out there it would make it easier to recover, and while I can see lowering estro. making the gear less suppressive (although, isn't even a fairly small dose of test or other androgens almost 100% suppressive of the HPTA? I know some stuff does it quicker, but I don't see using novla as opposed to adex helping any). The main reason I have used novladex in the past (I've never used clomid b/c I just considered it to be useless when there is novla, but again everyone has been claiming it has benefits) is that it is to some degree an estrogen agonist when it comes to stimulating the release of "good" cholesterol from the liver. And most often I used it when my nipples already got sensitive.

Do you think that 600mgs of boldenone will improve collagen synthesis with higher doses of test around (for some reason I keep hearing it has to be a higher dose than the test, but I haven't seen any evidence of this and would like to before I believe it)? Also, that is a big motivator for using the IGF-1; and 6 weeks or so after the last use of IGF-1 LR3 I will probably start running HGH at 2or 3 ius a day (maybe 2 on non-workout days and 3-3.5 on heavy workout days). My plan is to keep working on strengthing the joints and tendons for when I get up to hitting heavy lifts (if I get there, I have had back problems that cause some chronic pain, but believe it or not when I get a lot bigger/stronger it feels BETTER other than for maybe 24 hours starting a few hours after a heavy deadlift. Even though I'm in pain sometimes when I stop exercising and lifting heavy it gets worse; and it feels stronger after using the IGF-1 even though it still hurts but that could be my imagination).
 
Forgot to add, as far as caloric intake goes I'm planning on this: week 1- 4500 week 2-5000 week 3- 5200 week 4- 5400 week 5- 5600 week 6- 5800 weeks 7-14- 6000, and I will have 2 grams of protein per lb of BW throughout; then I will drop my calories to where I lose 2 pounds a week for the last few weeks if I accumulated too much fat(I've usually lost it before, even on bulking cycles), and I will possibly use some albuterol/clen (I've actually heard the albuterol is more effective and has less sides before) for 2 weeks or go for a low/moderate dose of T3 at this point (I am a little weary of T3 though even with some research pointing out that it does not have any risk of permanent suppression of the thyroid and the dangers have been exagerated. So maybe I'll just go with some DNP (just kidding :) that is one PED I will never touch unless I've been wrong about its dangers (which I'm pretty sure I'm not) and how crappy it makes users feel, which I am 99.9999% sure I'm not).
 
Looks like a solid cycle for someone who actually knows what they're doing..post some pics in the picture thread!
 
jm357357 said:
Thank you for the advice maakshif. I was sorta looking at the frontload the same way it works with other non-ester drugs when you are dosing much more often than the half-life (and I figured that the reason it didn't work right off the bat was that there wasn't enough of it, basically that like 3/4 of week 1's would be there week 2, then 1/2 of week 1's (approx. depending who you listen to for its half-life) and 3/4 of week's 2 dose would be there on week 3, etc.) but I get what you are saying about it. I'm using the undec. b/c that is what the raw supplier I use normally has (and he is cheapest due to going 50-100g amounts as opposed to 10g)- also just let me say I'm not looking for sources or giving them here, just clarifying that b/c I hope that last statement was saying too much- but I could get a small amount (enough for a cycle) of the cyp, but boldenone is pretty mild so I don't think I'd have a problem running it for 14 weeks. As far as the test e goes I was going to run the 100mgs a week b/c I was going to run it as my replacement during my off time and I didn't want to have to drop to below normal levels during that period, but I wanted them to go to that level quickly; that was due to fear of not having enough "off" (or low dose time, the whole "blast/cruise" thing is big on a lot of boards now). I had done a lot of research and saw several studies showing long term use (like a Chinese study lasting 30 months and a WHO study lasting over a year) with no major problems restarting nat. production (even w/o pct, which isn't a good idea b/c it would take longer but it looks as if even without it eventually one would get their production back) and I really had a hard time finding anyone who was permanently shut down. When I said that on other boards though everyone pounced, to the point where they were yelling about 20 or even 16 week cycles being "dangerous" in that respect. Hearing what I had suspected from others now though does help increase my confidence in this. An interesting piece of info on this: my sister is transgendered (she was born my brother) and while going through the process of taking estrogen the doctors told her that so long as they had not done the surgery yet she could go back, even if she had been taking estrogen for 2 years, and the test production would eventually come back.

The biggest reason I first wanted to use boldenone was due to its effect on collagen synthesis; had I been planning this 6 months ago I would have probably gone just test, maybe starting at 600mgs and moving up to 800 depending on how I felt and possibly throwing in proviron (to decrease estrogen and increase strength). But a lot of people (and a couple studies I've seen) are claiming that at high doses test DECREASES collagen synthesis and therefore tendon strength, but that boldenone does the opposite and is one of the best for this, and to add to that I have a hard time eating a lot of solid food (I make a 5,000ish cal (the exact amounts of ingredients vary) shake out of 52-60 oz. of milk, 20 oz. of egg beaters, 1-1.5 cups of nat. PB, 8 scoops of whey (soon I want to use 5 scoops whey and 3 scoops of casein), 2 yogurts, 3-6 tbsp. light (as in flavor not cals) olive oil, 4 tbsps. choc. syrup, and a few tbsps. of benefiber, and I'd like to get some of the oatmeal that dissolves in water but I'm not so confident it would still have such a low GI, and drink it over 2-3 days in 4-6 servings a day; then use a multi vit., vits. C, E, B complex, ZMA, fish oil, glucosamine and chrondroitin, and cranberry extract due to me getting 1800-3000 out of my 4000 cals from liquids) and boldenone should help with this.

Also, even though I wrote the dosages as simply per week it would be split into 2 shots 3 days apart.

So with your advice I'm thinking:
weeks 1-10: Test E 600mgs a week (300mgsx2)
weeks 3-14: Boldenone 600mgs a week (300x2, even though it is def. a long enough ester, unlike the enan., to use it once a week and being that it is a liquid at room temp. it should be manageable pain wise at 300-400mgs/ml; I just would rather mix it with the test)
weeks 11-14 test cyp. (forgot that, it is just what I'll have around most likely, if I get more enan. I will just continue that)
weeks 15-18: test cyp 250 mgs/ml and prop 100mgs eod
weeks 19-24: test cyp. 75mgs every 4 days
weeks 4-9 and 19-24: IGF 1 LR3 at 20mcgs a day
weeks 2-14: adex .25mgs a day
weeks 15-18: adex .5-.75mgs a day

Should I really not use clomid or novla during weeks 19-24 (when I am at a replacement dose?) there seems to be an opinion out there it would make it easier to recover, and while I can see lowering estro. making the gear less suppressive (although, isn't even a fairly small dose of test or other androgens almost 100% suppressive of the HPTA? I know some stuff does it quicker, but I don't see using novla as opposed to adex helping any). The main reason I have used novladex in the past (I've never used clomid b/c I just considered it to be useless when there is novla, but again everyone has been claiming it has benefits) is that it is to some degree an estrogen agonist when it comes to stimulating the release of "good" cholesterol from the liver. And most often I used it when my nipples already got sensitive.

Do you think that 600mgs of boldenone will improve collagen synthesis with higher doses of test around (for some reason I keep hearing it has to be a higher dose than the test, but I haven't seen any evidence of this and would like to before I believe it)? Also, that is a big motivator for using the IGF-1; and 6 weeks or so after the last use of IGF-1 LR3 I will probably start running HGH at 2or 3 ius a day (maybe 2 on non-workout days and 3-3.5 on heavy workout days). My plan is to keep working on strengthing the joints and tendons for when I get up to hitting heavy lifts (if I get there, I have had back problems that cause some chronic pain, but believe it or not when I get a lot bigger/stronger it feels BETTER other than for maybe 24 hours starting a few hours after a heavy deadlift. Even though I'm in pain sometimes when I stop exercising and lifting heavy it gets worse; and it feels stronger after using the IGF-1 even though it still hurts but that could be my imagination).
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jm357357 said:
Forgot to add, as far as caloric intake goes I'm planning on this: week 1- 4500 week 2-5000 week 3- 5200 week 4- 5400 week 5- 5600 week 6- 5800 weeks 7-14- 6000, and I will have 2 grams of protein per lb of BW throughout; then I will drop my calories to where I lose 2 pounds a week for the last few weeks if I accumulated too much fat(I've usually lost it before, even on bulking cycles), and I will possibly use some albuterol/clen (I've actually heard the albuterol is more effective and has less sides before) for 2 weeks or go for a low/moderate dose of T3 at this point (I am a little weary of T3 though even with some research pointing out that it does not have any risk of permanent suppression of the thyroid and the dangers have been exagerated. So maybe I'll just go with some DNP (just kidding :) that is one PED I will never touch unless I've been wrong about its dangers (which I'm pretty sure I'm not) and how crappy it makes users feel, which I am 99.9999% sure I'm not).
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Bold Point 1 - the raw for bold cyp is pretty hard to come by...i haven't been able to find it anywhere and only know of a couple of sources that carry it...if you know of one that does have it, I'd definitely recommend giving it a run in a cycle one day

Bold Point 2- I wouldn't go below 125 mg/wk for a replacement dose and I'd stay above that until just before you drop the prop...I would say drop down to 125 mg/wk during your last week of the prop that way you don't suffer a negative spike in test, it can cause some nasty unwanted sides until you get your levels back stabalized

Bold Point 3 - nolva on cycle is a seriously old school outdated concept...AI's are much better suited for on cycle estrogen control which would be the only reason you would use nolva on cycle except in the case of a gyno flare up...lowering estrogen isn't really affecting suppression, injecting exogenous hormones are what is being suppressive, lowering estrogen is more for trying to prevent gyno or other negative sides of high estrogen...nolva isn't going to do anything for your natural hpta while still injecting exogenous hormones and won't make it any easier to recover...I'd highly recommend running aromasin over adex as it is much safer and a better AI...also the only thing I don't like about the setup you have now is adex every day, that is way way too much imo, run it e3d

Bold Point 4 - you will need to run the test at around 350 mg/wk with the EQ to truly benefit from EQ's collagen synthesis effects...test is horrible for collagen, but running test at around 350 mg/wk seems to be where most people I've seen using EQ for this run the test

Bold Point 5 - I haven't used albuterol, but I hate clen, I would much rather run ECA...clen is absolutely horrible for your heart...T3 is really good imo if used in moderate doses...studies have shown that the thyroid will return to normal within a month or two after stopping use even on high doses without tapering off

I'm not a supporter of running peptides or HGH if you are under the age of 30 unless you have low natural HGH production...everything I have heard about and know from people that have done it have been very negative...from what I was told by an endo is that before the age of 30 your natural HGH production in normal healthy adults is exactly what the body needs and adding more than what the body needs can lead to bone problems, ligament problems, and joint issues along with several other negative sides...I've got several friends that I've seen suffer from some of these so I can't say that using the igf or hgh is a good idea
 
In response to bold point 1: It isn't that I couldn't find bold cyp, it is just that the suppliers I know are the ones who sell it 10g increments and it costs literally like 5 times as much per gram if I remember correctly.

2: I'll go for that one and bring it to 125mgs that last week. Then I did get to thinking: my natural test levels were 1050-1100 when I was 20. Supposedly 100mg/wk of cyp will get you to somewhere between 500-700 ng/dl (although one shot a week is too little IMHO and doesn't provide stable levels, I would go 2x a week or at least once every five days); could I just go for 200mgs a week? As far as health goes at that dose test may actually strengthen tendons, be better for the heart, and it may be closer to my natural levels anyway (it seems as if docs aren't 100% sure if having somewhat higher levels are good or bad for your health).

3: I hear ya about the effectiveness of the novladex, like I had said I was mostly thinking about how it is easier on cholesterol levels. Do you really think .25mgs a day of arimidex is too much or is the dosing too often? I had been thinking about .5mgs a day at first, but figured it would be easier to remember to take it ED. I could just dose it twice a week, or I could do my shots every 3 days at about the dosage that would add up to the weekly amount and take it the same time which would be easier to remember, but it would be slightly more shots and harder to measure than just having 300/300 each shot. Do you think .5mgs e3d would be good?

4: That was part of why I went for the higher EQ dose, to make it higher than the test and add up to a certain total dosage of AAS that seems to work good for me for a first cycle after a break; but if the EQ doesn't do better at 800mgs for collagen synthesis or general anabolism then it really doesn't make sense to do so. I do love what test does to my gains at those doses (500-600mgs a week). Do you think that the EQ would at least stop the test from weaking them? Possibly just have them get stronger at a normal rate at those doses?

5: I might go for some T3, I've seen those studies; it is just that I've never touched it before so I don't know how it will make me feel.....
 
PARooolller said:
Looks like a solid cycle for someone who actually knows what they're doing..post some pics in the picture thread!
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Thanks, I will take some pics soon even though I'm not where I would normally want to be due to low test, etc. and then I'll try to take some every 4 weeks or so.
 
Also, maakshif I was going to send you a pm but I guess I can't till I reach bluelighter.
 
jm357357 said:
In response to bold point 1: It isn't that I couldn't find bold cyp, it is just that the suppliers I know are the ones who sell it 10g increments and it costs literally like 5 times as much per gram if I remember correctly.

yeah I know what you mean, but if you think about it you really do need quite a bit of the raw powder or in the case of bold, raw liquid, to be able to make a complete cycle's worth...it is kind of expensive, but honestly not but a couple $'s more than test for the same amount

2: I'll go for that one and bring it to 125mgs that last week. Then I did get to thinking: my natural test levels were 1050-1100 when I was 20. Supposedly 100mg/wk of cyp will get you to somewhere between 500-700 ng/dl (although one shot a week is too little IMHO and doesn't provide stable levels, I would go 2x a week or at least once every five days); could I just go for 200mgs a week? As far as health goes at that dose test may actually strengthen tendons, be better for the heart, and it may be closer to my natural levels anyway (it seems as if docs aren't 100% sure if having somewhat higher levels are good or bad for your health).

200 mg/wk would be a good dose...when I blast and cruise my cruise dose is usually @ 250 mg/wk

3: I hear ya about the effectiveness of the novladex, like I had said I was mostly thinking about how it is easier on cholesterol levels. Do you really think .25mgs a day of arimidex is too much or is the dosing too often? I had been thinking about .5mgs a day at first, but figured it would be easier to remember to take it ED. I could just dose it twice a week, or I could do my shots every 3 days at about the dosage that would add up to the weekly amount and take it the same time which would be easier to remember, but it would be slightly more shots and harder to measure than just having 300/300 each shot. Do you think .5mgs e3d would be good?

dosing adex everyday is too much no matter what dose...it should be dosed e3d and then up to eod if it is needed that often but e3d should be more than sufficient...it has a 72 hr half life roughly

4: That was part of why I went for the higher EQ dose, to make it higher than the test and add up to a certain total dosage of AAS that seems to work good for me for a first cycle after a break; but if the EQ doesn't do better at 800mgs for collagen synthesis or general anabolism then it really doesn't make sense to do so. I do love what test does to my gains at those doses (500-600mgs a week). Do you think that the EQ would at least stop the test from weaking them? Possibly just have them get stronger at a normal rate at those doses?

why not just dose the test at 500 mg/wk....that's my normal dosing for both, 600 EQ/500 Test and I feel that for me personally I get some benefits of collagen synthesis from the EQ, though I think it would be much much better if I ran a lower dose of test...I already have knee and back problems and can tell a significant difference while running EQ

5: I might go for some T3, I've seen those studies; it is just that I've never touched it before so I don't know how it will make me feel.....

honestly when I run it, the only thing I really notice is more sweating and heat sensitivity...it doesn't really make me feel that different and I usually run the dose up to 125-150 mcg for 6 weeks and have never had any trouble recovering...I would say that it's at least worth trying at low doses and working up if you feel you want to
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jm357357 said:
Also, maakshif I was going to send you a pm but I guess I can't till I reach bluelighter.
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sent you a pm, see if you can respond to it
 
It won't let me reply. Can I post an email address, or is it against the rules?

I did receive your pm though
 
jm357357 said:
It won't let me reply. Can I post an email address, or is it against the rules?

I did receive your pm though
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click my name and go to my profile and then go into my contact info and there should be an option to send a message via email
 
You are making your program far more complicated than it should be. I don't know where you got your info from, but you should rethink your entire program. There are so many things wrong with your layout and I'll address a few.

Don't taper your test dose as your blood plasma levels will flux up and down. Also, changing tests during your cycle will also cause flux. No need to touch nolva....ever (ONLY in cases of extreme gyno). An AI like adex or aromasin is all that you need. Use them right and estro won't be an issue.

Simplicity is key.

700mg test enan/cyp 1-14
600mg EQ 1-14
.5mg EOD adex 1-21
500-1000iu HCG EW 2-14

Clomid for PCT (start 3 weeks after last shot for 4 weeks): Day 1&2 200mg (100/100/75/50)

Fin.


/V
 
Thank you for your advice victor. I will be using the adex now, as far as my concern of cholesterol levels (which if I was only going to run a cycle once or twice per year wouldn't be that much of a concern) goes: 1. would using the adex not cause that much of an issue (and I'm speaking about the adex specifically, I know the gear can mess with my levels as well) if I use a dose that does not put estro too low? Also, being that I'm 24, and I have a very healthy heart (good cholesterol now (if anything a little too low), have kept in shape since sixteen, have a reasonable bodyfat and not a lot of visceral fat, and no murmurs, etc.) would it be fair to say that having not such a great ratio for periods of time here and there wouldn't be that bad? I've heard quite often that cholesterol's importance in heart disease is somewhat exagerrated (other factors, such as inflammatory markers might actually be more important?).

As far as switching the test goes: the reason I'm doing so is that I want the levels to drop quickly once I discontinue the use of gear (similar to when people end with an oral such as winstrol or oxandrolone). Doesn't even fairly small amounts of exogenous androgens suppress test levels? With Enanthanate's 6 day (according to some sources it is longer) half life after 18 days you'd still have 12.5% of what was around the last day (which is a build-up from during the cycle). And with undecyclenate's 16 day half life there would still be 12.5% around 48 days later? I have heard though, and this wasn't in regards to steroids, that at some point a half-life is not really "true" anymore, that ammounts get small enough that the body eliminates the drug completely enough that it is gone for all real world purposes. But the reason I wanted to use a short ester to end it is that with prop's 2 day half life (again, I've read it is more some places but this seems to be the general consensus) after 10 days there would only be 3.15% of what there was the last week; and since the bold would have stopped 42 days prior and the cyp or enan. 28 days before those would be mostly gone so I could recover. Do you think it would be better to just use an oral at the end though (maybe oxandrolone at 70-80mgs a day, since it is another AAS that is supposed to be good tendon wise, good for pound for pound strength, and I think that at a good, strong dosage (which is doable these days where in the past it would have cost an arm and a leg) it could be quite effective)?
 
also, recently I have been considering giving the clomid a run as opposed to tamoxifen PCT; are the mental sides really as bad as people say?
 
Actually I have to add that since I'm not going off (due to my levels coming up as between 250-270ng/dl the last 2.5 months) that I'm not stopping so the natural production thing post cycle isn't the concern, just getting my time in where my body isn't as bombarded with androgens. That is also why I have the low doses for those weeks after. And after the end of week 22 I wouldn't be stopping, I might be going back up either then or maybe I'll wait another couple weeks of replacement dosages. Sorry, brain fart on my part there :)
 
the active life of enanthate is 10-14 days, cypionate is around 18-21 days, bold undec is around 15-21...this means the compounds are completely out of your system by these times...i find that it's easier when determining when to come off of a compound or timing of PCT it is much easier to work with the full active lives rather than deal in half lives...half lives are really only good for determining pinning schedules in my opinion
 
Update: Due to the first order I put through going bad (bad source, obviously I can't post who here) I had to order from another source (due to the problems with low levels and having to start work soon) who promised to get me a quick delivery (again, obviously can't say who. So I should be getting 20mls of test e/boldenone 300/300mgs/ml tomorrow. So my cycle will look like this:

weeks 1-10: test e/bold 600mgs/600mgs in two shots
weeks 11-14: possibly will have to switch to test cyp but hopefully will keep using test enth. If my joints hurt I might lower the dose of test to 300mgs a week to take advantage of the boldenone's tendon strengthing effect.
weeks 15-18: Test, not 100% sure which yet.
weeks 19-24or 25: switch to 125-200mgs of test a week
start another cycle on week 26 or so.
 
Got my Test/EQ mix. Did my first shot yesterday; came up through the 20g that I was loading pretty quick and since I expected it to be a lot slower (the vial was real full and injected some air into it to create pressure to help load) I ended up with 1.5 cc's (450/450mgs) and it was still pushing in due to the pressure. So I decided to just wait 5 days before doing the next shot (if I decided to go on a once every 5 day dosing schedule 450/450 would be just a little more than 300/300 twice a week, but I think next time I'll do less and wait less after it) and go with that. I heated it up by turning on the faucet as hot as it can go and letting the water run over it while moving it back and forth for about 30 seconds (and I took it out a couple times real quick to make sure it wasn't getting too hot, it is only 1.5 ml so it shouldn't take long). I used a 1.5" 25g tip to put it in the glute; I had to push a bit but not an unusual amount and it was done in like 30-45 seconds (I don't want to do it too fast anyway). It didn't hurt at all yesterday and today it is a little sore but not bad (I did box squats).

Now I know normally people say that it takes a week or two (or three) to feel test, but I did have low levels (250ng/dl) and if you look at the pharmokinetics chart one shot of enanthanate (the test used 194mgs of test enan.) actually peaks levels after 8-24 hours and starts to decline after 4-5 days (sometimes more, depending on various factors). Now, that does mean if you are shooting 300mgs twice a week it will continue to build up for a bit, but there is some getting into the blood immediately. Well, by 8 hours later I wasn't having any problems with erectile function at all (which wasn't horrible before, but there was some) and today I don't have the fatigue problems that I normally do.

I weighed myself this morning and I came up as 189 (lost 4 pounds since I stopped IGF-1 3-4 weeks ago, I don't think it is due to suppression but simply because I was losing weight b/c of the low test levels) and maybe slightly leaner (it has been tough to tell, the calipers say 9-10.5% but I feel like my muscles don't look as hard as they should, possibly due to the low test? The calipers have been going down when my weight and waist go down, and went up in the past when I got fatter- so I'm not sure of the % being correct but they do seem to help show which direction I'm going in. But it seems as I get leaner they respond less than they should? (even when I didn't have low test or even on cycle) Maybe it is harder to accurately use them at lower millimeters).

I got up and was hungry, and my appetite had been having problems before. I had a couple of eggs (each with a slice of cheese on it), a couple eggos (whole grain) with a Tbsp.- 1.5 Tbsp. of maple syrup, and a glass of milk. An hour and a half later I had a few tablespoons of sugar and a scoop of whey (35 minutes before working out). Then during my workout I had a couple of scoops of gatorade (they are 60 cals each, so 120 of gatorade), immediately after I had one more scoop with a vit. B complx, a vit. C, a half a multi-vitamin, and a vit. E. 15 minutes after that I mixed up 2 scopps of whey, like a tbsp. and a half or so (70 calories worth) of sugar; I drank half then and half 20 minutes later. About 40 minutes after that I had 12 oz. of the big shake I described above (732 cals/44g protein). My workout was loosely based on an Ed Coan routine (I was doing a sorta westside barbell routine for a bit before that (maybe 6-7 months) and decided to switch it up). It consisted of:

6x2 Box Squats, heaviest week of three week plyometric cycle at a little over 40% of 1rm. 30-45 seconds rest in between sets
1 warm-up set, then 2x8 Squats (switching from 5 reps to 8 makes me lose a lot of poundage, more so than it should) 1.5 min rest after warm-up, 2-2.5 between sets - I went up 5 pounds
2x8 High bar, close stance Squats 2min. rest between sets (went up 5 pounds)
2x8 Goodmornings (didn't do them last week, had to keep work-outs shorter due to fatigue, especially with legs)
3x12 Calf raises

my squats will be periodized as such (I started a week before this work out) wk.1-2x8, wk.2-2x8,2x8,2x7,2x6,2x5,2x5,2x5,2x4,2x4,2x3,2x3,2x2,2x2,2x1,1x1
assistance exercise will decrease in reps but not as much and will only get down to 2x3-5
Box squats go on a three week cycle of 25-30% 1rm, 32.5-37.5% 1rm, 40-45%1rm. Most plyos go 30,40,50% but I like to be a little more careful with box squats due to my back.

After drinking my shake I left for a family gathering; it was a barbexue and I had a 8-10 oz. steak tips and 2 kielbasa for diner and had a peice of cake after (usually I only eat sugar or white flower before a workout or a little bit before I get up, but....).

I'm going to have another 12 oz. of the shake now, probably 8 oz. in 2 hours, and another 8 with an apple before bed.

I think I'll take some pictures with my cell phone tonight (I will probably be using a digital cam. after that, but it is sorta a pain tonight) and again in two weeks, two weeks after that and so on.
 
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