My upcoming cycle.

Victor- do you really think I should just go straight through with the long esters and not switch to prop? And not stop the boldenone any earlier than dropping the test to trt doses? I am just thinking that if I go to lower doses for 6-8 weeks after this cycle (would do it for 4-6 if it was an 8-10 week cycle) right from long esters it will take a while to go down (especially the EQ) and will only really be like 2-4 weeks trt doses. And I'm sort of worried about downgrading my LH receptors with the HCG (it seems like it is easier to mess yourself up in terms of natural production with HCG compared to test/other AAS (which seems like it may be nearly impossible or at least much much harder than was once (and still is by a lot of people) believed). You think 500iu once a week is fine? Before I used 350-400 ius eod or 200ius ed (I think I tried both, but I know for sure they were small frequent shots) for like 8 day periods a few times during my cycle and it seemed to work ok (I didn't start until like 6 weeks in and my testicles had shrunk (I'm thinking tren made it happen fast) and they came back) but I am definitely open to trying it another way. I know it is active for like 4 days so doing it once a week would give it some off time. If I were to use some HMG with it, would it be ok to run that maybe at the 6 week, 12 week, and 16 week point at like 50iu ed for 6-7 days (this is more to anyone, I know it would probably be better run a couple weeks at 75ius a day, but it is pretty expensive)?
 
Also, I'm thinking about just keeping the arimidex on hand and running proviron since it will keep estrogen down while also helping to increase strength (powerlifting) and free up other hormones from the SHBG. I will start either the prov. or adex at the beginning of week two. I also have novla on hand for bad gyno.

If I go with proviron I think I will just start at 25mgs a day or maybe even a little less (if it is liquid). If estro. is not a prob. it will stay there, if it becomes a problem and I'm not having too many androgenic sides I'll increase the prov., if I feel like I'm at my max for androgens for the time being I'd add .25 of adex twice a week (if the situation seemed urgent I'd run novladex at 40/40/40/30/30/20/20 to give it time to kick in) and increase the dose by 50-100mcgs till I got it where I wanted it. Any suggestions?
 
Dont obsess over the scale, your weight will fluctuate quite a bit due to the excess water retention you will have being on anabolic hormones.

Best way to measure progress IMO is
a) strength gains
b) bodypart measurment, or if your lazy how your clothes fit.
 
Sorry I haven't posted in a little while.

Over the first 10 days or so I gained 14 pounds (with a ton of water retention). Yesterday (30 days after my first shot) I am up almost 24 pounds, and that is taking .3mg of arimidex ED (I'll explain that further down). My strength jumped like 10-15% on most lifts between days 4-10 and has been going up probably 4-7% every week now. I have way more energy and sexual function is way better than when it was low (I've been chasing my wife around 3-5 times a day :) and at first she was sick (first trimester of pregnancy) which was tough). I heal fast now (I can work 8 hours, come home and lift, sleep six hours, and be up and feeling completely refreshed the next morning).

I've been using an Ed Coan style routine that I switched from (from a simplified westside type routine). There have been times when I added 5 pounds to a weight I did 8 reps with the week before, and then accidentally I did 12 reps because it felt light enough that I forgot.

I have had problems with estro sides though, my nipples started to hurt in less than 14 days. I started using arimidex, using 1mg the first day (to get levels lowered quickly to avoid gyno) then .5 the 2nd, .5 the 4th, then 7th but I puffed back up and started to get sore nips so I upped it to .5-.6 EOD. Then I forgot sometimes which day I did it so I just started .3 ED. I still am carrying enough water to wash out definition but not like before when my face was puffing up, my stomach felt pushed out, etc.

I think the boldenone started to hit a couple weeks in. My appetite has improved but I still need to take in 3,000 or so calories from shakes to get 6,000. The last few days I have taken in less but I am allowing myself a few days where I am ok with eating 4000-5000 to take a break. Then I will eat 6000 a day again until I hit 220 at which point I might up it to 6300. I have not yet seen any huge increases in vascularity but the veins on my forearms do stand out a little more now.
 
the active life of enanthate is 10-14 days, cypionate is around 18-21 days, bold undec is around 15-21...this means the compounds are completely out of your system by these times...i
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you have confused half-life with active life.
 
beamers said:
you have confused half-life with active life.
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how did I confuse them?

There is a difference between plasma half life and terminal half life (plasma active life). Terminal half life is always longer and is focused on the complete elimination of half the administered dose from the body. Where as plasma half life refers to the amount of time taken to divide the plasma concentrations by 2 after reaching pseudo-equilibrium. This obviously requires much less time, yet is more important when pertaining to dosing schedules. The World Health Organiztion as well as the National Institute of Health both recognize the plasma half life of test enan at 4.5 days. This is why we recommend pinning longer esters at least 2x's per week (roughly every 3.5 days) to keep blood levels stable. You want to do it before the plasma half life has passed.

In blue: Terminal half-life of testosterone undecanoate.
In red: Terminal Half-life of testosterone Enanthate.

Injectable testosterone undecanoate has more favourable pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics than testosterone enanthate

Carl-Joachim Partsch, Gerhard F Weinbauer, Ruiying Fang and Eberhard Nieschlag
Partsch C-J, Weinbauer GF, Fang R, Nieschlag E. Injectable testosterone undecanoate has more favourable pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics than testosterone enanthate. Eur J Endocrinol 1995;132:514–19. ISSN 0804–4643

Testosterone preparations producing constant physiological testosterone serum levels are desirable for long-term treatment of androgen deficiency. However, all injectable testosterone esters used clinically for substitution of male hypogonadism are characterized by unfavourable pharmacokinetics. We therefore tested two groups of five long-term orchidectomized cynomolgus monkeys (Macaca fascicularis), which received a single intramuscular injection of 10 mg/kg body weight of an injectable testosterone undecanoate (TU) preparation or testosterone enanthate (TE) in a preclinical study to assess the pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic characteristics of TU in comparison to TE. The dose was equivalent to 6.3 and 7.2 mg of pure testosterone per kilogram body weight in the TU and TE group, respectively. Following injection of TU, mean serum testosterone rose to 58 ± 18 nmol/l on day 1 and remained at moderately supraphysiological levels of 40–68 nmol/l for 45 days. Thereafter, testosterone levels were maintained in the normal range of intact monkeys for another 56 days. The TE injection resulted in highly supraphysiological levels of 100–177 nmol/l from immediately after the injection to day 5. A rapid decline followed and testosterone levels reached the lower limit of normal after 31 days. Serum testosterone levels were significantly higher in the TEthan in the TU-treated animals on days 0.5–7 (p < 0.05). Significantly lower testosterone levels were seen in the TE than in the TU group on days 16, 22, 25 and 31 (p < 0.05). Pharmacokinetic analysis of serum testosterone levels showed a significantly higher area under the curve for TU (4051 ± 939 vs 1771 ±208 nmol·h/l; p < 0.045), a longer residence time (40.7 ±4.1 vs 11.6 ±1.1 days; p <0.00012), a longer terminal half-life (25.7 ± 4.0 vs 10.3 ± 1.1 days; p < 0.0069), and a lower maximal testosterone concentration (73 ± 12 vs 177 ± 21 nmol/l; p < 0.0027). Following TU injection, oestradiol levels increased from 48 ± 8 pmol.l to a plateau of 80–118 pmol/l from day 1 to day 59. In contrast, TE injection resulted in a rapid increase of oestradiol levels to a maximum of 166 ± 29 pmol/l after 4 days (p < 0.05 vs TU- treated group). In the TU and TE groups levels below 80 pmol/l were reached after 66 and 16 days, respectively. Ejaculatory response was induced for 14 weeks in the TU animals in contrast to 7 weeks in the TE animals. Ejaculate weight reached a maximum of 533 ± 163 mg at day 52 in the TU group (p < 0.05 vs TE group). In the TE animals, the maximal ejaculate weight of 41 ± 17 mg was seen at day 16. Thus, with respect to androgen substitution therapy, TU showed pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic properties clearly superior to those of TE and may provide an important improvement in the substitution of male androgen deficiency and also for male contraception.
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Testosterone Enanthate Profile
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + Enanthate ester
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 130.1864
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester):C7 H12 O
Melting Point (base): 155
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100.

Testosterone Cypionate Profile
17b-hydroxy-4-androsten-3-one
Testosterone base + cypionate ester
Formula: C27 H40 O3
Molecular Weight: 412.6112
Molecular Weight (base): 288.429
Molecular Weight (ester): 132.1184
Formula (base): C19 H28 O2
Formula (ester): C8 H14 O2
Melting Point (base): 155
Melting Point (ester): 98 - 104 C
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 300-2000mg+ week
Effective Dose (Women): Not recommended
Active life: 15-16 days
Detection Time: 3 months
Anabolic/Androgenic ratio:100/100.

Bold Undecylenate Profile
Boldenone Undeclynate
(1,4-androstadiene-3-one,1 7b-ol)
Molecular Weight(base): 286.4132
Molecular Weight (ester): 186.2936
Formula (base): C19H26O2
Manufacturer: Various
Effective Dose (Men): 200-600mgs/week
Effective Dose (Women): 50-100mgs/week
Active life: 15 days
Detection Time: Up to 5 months
Anabolic/ Androgenic ratio: 100:50
 
wow that cycle is so wrong in so many ways. why do people insist on being all crazy why not something like

test E 750 mg/week 1-16
EQ 600mg/week 1-16

fuck frontloading, no need to taper or any of that bullshit. just wait til about 2 weeks after your last shot to start your pct since thats how long the enanthate ester takes to clear out.

this site is pretty knowledgable on street drugs but most ppl on here dont seem to know anything about AAS.

furthermore he was talking about doing 1400-1800 mg of EQ a week? EQ is expensive as hell for one. you must be rich or getting bunk shit and number 2 the EPO you are gonna produce from that high of an EQ dose is likely to kill you. You will have blood as thick as molasses. heart attack or stroke waiting to happen.

you need more research b4 you start steroids in my opinion
 
300mg of EQ/week made my RBC and BP go through the fucking roof. Very dangerous.

Never will I use EQ ever again. DECA much superior in every way as long as you have some D2 agonist on hand.
 
Matsuo Munefusa. said:
300mg of EQ/week made my RBC and BP go through the fucking roof. Very dangerous.

Never will I use EQ ever again. DECA much superior in every way as long as you have some D2 agonist on hand.
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exactly what im sayin. 600 should be max. maybe maybe 800 if you are experienced with the compound and check your bloodwork.

1400-1800 is just plain insanity, even if only for a week which makes no sense. frontloading such a long ester as EQ. just let it run its course mang. if you want insta results kickstart with dbol or some drol. 4-6 weeks 30-50mg dbol ed or 75-100mg of drol ed.
 
also a lot of people get anxiety on EQ at higher doses. I'm not shy to admit I got anxiety on the 300mg. It was a time I was taking in extremely low calories (on an epic long surf trip through central america) and sometimes I would get very very nervous and shaking because my body needed food so much. It was like a HUGE hunger signal that set off intense anxiety.

care for yourself

test is best ;)
 
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