My theory on candyflipping

[sheepie]

For those who don't know or aren't sure, candyflipping is taking E and LSD.

I was researching on how LSD works (it was actually shrooms, but the same concept applies). Basically, your brain thinks it's serotonin.

Ecstasy, on the other hand, releases all the serotonin into the synapse. IT is not the serotonin, it allows the RELEASE of serotonin from your brain stash. You run out of serotonin when your finished (that's the comedown). Everybody in this forum should know already know this.

Anyways here's my theory:

I often hear people saying to take E during the peak of LSD, because the comedown of E will ruin the LSD trip otherwise (if taken simultaneously).

I presume the logic behind this is that, after the E comedown, you're depressed because you have no more serotonin left. BUT! (here it comes) the LSD acts as serotonin in your brain, right?! So you theoretically shouldn't even feel the comedown if you were high on LSD, you would just feel a mediocre LSD high.

I think the best thing to do would be to not intersect the comedowns of the two drugs but to intersect the peaks instead.

I've included a graph as an attachment in case my writing was too ambiguous. (Note: you should feel depressed after both trips have ended either way, because you would be at 0 serotonin. In my graph the line stops at 8 hours, it should continue going down to represent the after-comedown)

Anyways, that's why, to me, taking E and LSD at the same time would be better. But then again, I've never candyflipped, nor have I taken LSD (I have taken shrooms plenty of times though).

Let the tearing apart of my theory begin! :D

 

[solistus]

LSD is a lot more complicated than that. It doesn't simply mimic serotonin. It primarily acts as an agonist on a subset of serotonin receptors called 5HT2a (5-HT = serotonin, 2a = the subgroup of serotonin receptors believed to be primarily responsible for most serotonergic psychedelics' effects).

The exact mechanism(s) of how 5HT2a agonism leads to the actual observed effects is not a well understood area, but basically, psychedelics like LSD seem to modify the way actual serotonin is interpreted (which would presumably be more intense during the MDMA high and less intense after the comedown as serotonin depletion and downregulation kick in) and/or have some different effect on receptors normally responsive to serotonin in a way unlike serotonin (in which case the flood and following shortage of serotonin caused by MDMA may not have so drastic an effect either way).

At any rate, beyond any effects of serotonin depletion itself, many people find the MDMA comedown unpleasant and prefer to sleep it off, which doesn't work so well if you're just starting a 12 hour trip. Plus, MDMA doesn't last nearly as long and may even be wearing off for many people before the peak starts, so if the goal is maximum intensity, a lot of people prefer to stagger the doses to line up the peaks.

All that being said, many people also enjoy MDMA at the same time or even before dosing the psychedelic, to ease one's mind into the trip from a positive mental and emotional starting point. In that case, the idea isn't so much to stack them for a more intense experience - it's more of a transition from MDMA to your psychedelic of choice, although the trip itself is said by some to be more intense and altered by the MDMA long after the MDMA roll itself has worn off.

 

[SaturnStrobe]

The point is if you are peaking on both at the same time it will just be even more serotonin release at one time whereas if you take the LSD then the E soon after you will peak on E then on LSD with it for a little period of time making it huge but then the E will run out and although you will still be high on LSD it will be a "comedown" from what your high was shortly before... my though anyway

 

[DynoSpec]

e does so much more than "pump out serotonin"

i think that getting high on mdma while high on acid is a great time, and if you come down from one you dont really notice