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My son needs help

I would like to know what he has to say about it, has anyone bothered to ask him without laying a heap if judgement and pre conceived ideas on him ?
 
extralung said:
dude the i did the same exact thing ur kid did. for a second i thought u were my dad lol. except i think i was 15 when i got sent to alternative school. i actully kind of enjoyed it. it was like a vacation from life.
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i went to an alternative disciplinary school when i was 15 and it was the only time i spent in school where i felt like any of my teachers gave a shit about me, except when i was in an alternative placement in 4th grade. the rest of my time in school was fraught with teachers who were bullies and put down artists extraordinaire. my second grade teacher was so batshit crazy that she left three kids at the zoo. on purpose. i cried in that class nearly every day, much to her delight. and nobody could help me.
 
T. Calderone said:
Another thing troubling me is my son got real sick last night. He doesn't drink alcohol, just soda and said he was real hungry and his stomach was hurting. So I made him some chicken noodle soup and gave him some saltine crackers which he promptly vomited. He told me if he had some weed, he wouldn't be sick. I think this is some psychological manifestation. Maybe the stress of possibly being locked up? I didn't think marijuana withdrawal could make a person vomit but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?
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yes this is entirely possible. Cannabis does have a withdrawal, not much of one but you can expect your son to be irritable, to have night sweats, to be nauseous and have trouble sleeping for about 3-4 days. Cannabis is addictive and can cause a dependence.

I think what posters are forgetting in this thread is that OP's kid is getting into legal trouble. No one cares if he likes to get high but you cannot be getting into trouble with the cops over this. That is the problem right there. Your kid has to smarten up or he will face a world of trouble. If you're going to get high, do it responsibly and know the risks and how to avoid them.
 
T. Calderone said:
Another thing troubling me is my son got real sick last night. He doesn't drink alcohol, just soda and said he was real hungry and his stomach was hurting. So I made him some chicken noodle soup and gave him some saltine crackers which he promptly vomited. He told me if he had some weed, he wouldn't be sick. I think this is some psychological manifestation. Maybe the stress of possibly being locked up? I didn't think marijuana withdrawal could make a person vomit but I could be wrong. Any thoughts?
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stress will do that to you.
 
I don't mean to sound apathetic or unhelpful (my intentions are the opposite), but teenagers fuck up. It happens. What needs to happen at this point is happening, and it's now up to your son to slowly wisen up and begin down a straighter path. It won't/can't happen just from your sheer willpower alone, for if all it took was the love and support of another to expel the many evils that have pulled us into drugs, most of us wouldn't be here.

Be strong, be supportive, and be loving. You can be tough, expect better from your son, AND be disappointed without foregoing the love you have for him (in terms of the love that he feels radiating from you as a parent), and judging from you going out of your way to come here, I can assure you that isn't the problem.

In the simplest terms possible, sometimes kids gotta learn the hard way. I'd love to say otherwise, but the world just doesn't work that way unfortunately.
 
RobotRipping said:
yes this is entirely possible. Cannabis does have a withdrawal, not much of one but you can expect your son to be irritable, to have night sweats, to be nauseous and have trouble sleeping for about 3-4 days. Cannabis is addictive and can cause a dependence.

I think what posters are forgetting in this thread is that OP's kid is getting into legal trouble. No one cares if he likes to get high but you cannot be getting into trouble with the cops over this. That is the problem right there. Your kid has to smarten up or he will face a world of trouble. If you're going to get high, do it responsibly and know the risks and how to avoid them.
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Have you ever smoke Cannabis?? Because if you did your would know that THERE is NO withdrawl. You should know of where you speak when it comes to that. Because I Do. If you have never smoked dont act like that you know. And the withdrawl that you are talking about, sounds, like opiate abuse to me, know of where you speak before you open your mouth.
 
You guys are awesome and I know I came to the right place for opinions. I caught him smoking again yesterday. He says he would rather go to jail than 6 months of rehab. There is no way he will pass the mandated drug test pending on Aug 27th. He's a good kid but lacking sense.

To the last post, I think maybe the weed addiction is psychological and not physical like opiate. In some way still painful to an extent.
 
Hazey420 said:
Have you ever smoke Cannabis?? Because if you did your would know that THERE is NO withdrawl. You should know of where you speak when it comes to that. Because I Do. If you have never smoked dont act like that you know. And the withdrawl that you are talking about, sounds, like opiate abuse to me, know of where you speak before you open your mouth.
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little bit hostile aren't you? I smoked for 9 years straight, every day, every hour pretty much. When i quit i would get sick, couldn't sleep, get night sweats, have crazy dreams and would feel irritated and annoyed. and fuck no that's not opiate withdrawal, opiate withdrawal is much worse than that. You are extremely childish and closed minded, take a look at the posts in cannabis discussion, what i experienced is very very very common and has been shown in peer reviewed studies, so you're simply wrong. Now the withdrawal only lasts 1-3 days even for heavy users and isn't always that bad but it does happen to many people.

I quit about 3-4 months ago but i kind of tapered off and i didn't have any symptoms this time but in the past i certainly had symptoms. Did you really have to be so condescending and know it all? Not to mention hypocritical, next time before you speak, do some research.
 
I appreciate your input. Thanks! I agree that the symptoms may not be so harsh as other drugs. Still painful to the addict though
 
There is still a chance he will pass the drug test on the 27th if he stops all drugs right now. Kids have super fast metabolisms making urine drug tests not as effective as they are on adults. As far as preferring jail to rehab that sounds like posturing to me he is trying to show you that he is tough and independent. I guarantee you that if he ends up in juvie or a placementr that his tone will change real quick, everyone thinks there tough till you go inside and see who the tough kids really are. I think you should lock him in his room till the drug test on the 27th he may hate you now but he will thank you later. Also get an at home drug test and make him take at the day before the court ordered one so you will know the outcome in advance that will take some of the anxiety out of waiting for the results and will alow you to formulate a strategy with his lawyer.
 
RobotRipping said:
little bit hostile aren't you? I smoked for 9 years straight, every day, every hour pretty much. When i quit i would get sick, couldn't sleep, get night sweats, have crazy dreams and would feel irritated and annoyed. and fuck no that's not opiate withdrawal, opiate withdrawal is much worse than that. You are extremely childish and closed minded, take a look at the posts in cannabis discussion, what i experienced is very very very common and has been shown in peer reviewed studies, so you're simply wrong. Now the withdrawal only lasts 1-3 days even for heavy users and isn't always that bad but it does happen to many people.

I quit about 3-4 months ago but i kind of tapered off and i didn't have any symptoms this time but in the past i certainly had symptoms. Did you really have to be so condescending and know it all? Not to mention hypocritical, next time before you speak, do some research.
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weed is not addictive however if you use it as medication like to sleep at night then take it away you can have trouble sleeping, or if you use it for pain then take it away you will be in pain but if you just use it to get high and quit it then your just not getting high you might be bitchy but not sick there is no WD from weed. I speak from exp IMO.

Anyway... You kid is stupid he isn't going to learn, hes going to have to do it the hard way. I would fight it tooth and nail, above all else make sure he never has money, keep a eye on everything and if he steals from you why don't you call the cops... the kid needs a wake up call. If he gets in trouble now before he is older he might learn a lesson he is still young to the point it won't stick with him forever but if he pulls this shit when he is 18 and ends up locked up you might as well give up on your son. Jail ruins people. Let him learn now while he is early don't keep him safe... let him take his own licks
 
cannabis will cause some withdrawal like insomnia, nausea, RLS, and anxiety and sometimes depression but this only occurs when you smoke/eat a lot of cannabis for many consecutive days
 
cannabis is addictive as it can have negative effects on your life. For example OP's son continuing to smoke even tho he is facing legal trouble, that is the definition of addiction. You can be addicted to cheeseburgers. Now as for dependence, mr flowers is correct, seriously do some research on it, you may speak from experience but i do as well and your anecdotal evidence is no better than mine. IMO it causes an addiction/dependence similar to caffeine but obviously some people get into enough trouble when smoking cannabis and still smoke so it's addictive more so with some people than others.
 
I'm 110% in agreement with RobotTripping on this one.

Weed definitely has given me withdrawals. Minor as shit, nothing compared to w/d from benzos/opiates/etc. but they exist nonetheless, no matter how minor.

Its definitely addictive too. I'm sure you all know that ONE POT HEAD who neglects the rest of their life in pursuit of smoking weed all day. You all know what i'm talking about. Thats addiction 101. Plenty of non physically addictive things are STILL addictive. Would you all say gambling is not addictive? Sex addiction is impossible too? Addiction to weird fetishes? What about internet and gaming addictions? All of which ruin your life in one way shape or form? Sounds like addiction to me!

and hazey ho lee shit. Did you really need to flip out? Sounds like you're getting pretty angry at someone for having a different opinion on weed. And usually in my experiences, people get angry like that when they hear a truth they were trying to be deaf to. I think someone has some issues with their own weed consumption and is dumping it unfairly on someone who was giving their input on marijuana.

Well once again: I agree. Marijuana can cause (incredibly) minor withdrawals. And for the most part I have smoked every day since i was 14. I am now 21 and just recently made the attempt to quit smoking pot. I definitely notice the difference. I definitely have a harder time falling asleep, eat less. Sometimes my stomach does backflips too. I sweat more also, and boring shit is less interesting (a definite effect because pot makes even the most tedious shit slightly interesting).

Gonna dump on me too?

God damn. I guarantee i'm right and that he threw a hissy fit because he heard something he didnt like to hear. A truth most likely: that his favorite substance is nothing more than a substance, not a gift from the heavens as so many profess it to be.
 
Really? I was not trying to "Dump" on anyone, and I have No problem with my weed consumption I use it for pain that I am in every day of my life, and been a smoker for 20 years so please dont even try to tell me that I have a problem with it. That is where i Leave it take it as you want it.
 
I'm not saying that you have a problem with it. What I was saying is for you to say "Its impossible to have a problem with it" just because you personally do not, is unfair.

You cannot argue with our personal experiences with withdrawals from pot any more than I can argue with your lack of withdrawals. I am simply saying it is possible.

Once again you seem to be getting a bit defensive..."I've been smoking 20 years, dont tell me i have a problem!" No one was saying that, at all. Relax buddy. No one is telling you that. You seem to be very eager to jump and defend your "lack of a problem". Take that as you want it as well.

We were talking about withdrawals from pot being a definite possibility, and originally this persons child who is in need of outside forces to keep them from making horrible decisions they will regret for the rest of their lives.

As Ho-Chi-Min has verified: it is DEFINITELY possible to have weed ADDICTION be a huge, huge, obstacle in one's life. As it seems to be for the OP's child: when you get arrested, and it impacts your future, and you STILL CANNOT STOP despite all the consequences and repercussions: that is a major red flag, and text book addiction. You continue to do the behavior despite the horrendous outcome (ie a heroin addict keeps shooting heroin despite losing their family, going to jail, etc; a pot smoker continues to smoke despite losing friends, getting arrested and legal consequences, etc)

Just as possible as it is for heroin. Less likely? Absolutely. But possible nonetheless.
 
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DooMMooD said:
I'm not saying that you have a problem with it. What I was saying is for you to say "Its impossible to have a problem with it" just because you personally do not, is unfair.

You cannot argue with our personal experiences with withdrawals from pot any more than I can argue with your lack of withdrawals. I am simply saying it is possible.

Once again you seem to be getting a bit defensive..."I've been smoking 20 years, dont tell me i have a problem!" No one was saying that, at all. Relax buddy. No one is telling you that. You seem to be very eager to jump and defend your "lack of a problem". Take that as you want it as well.

We were talking about withdrawals from pot being a definite possibility, and originally this persons child who is in need of outside forces to keep them from making horrible decisions they will regret for the rest of their lives.

As Ho-Chi-Min has verified: it is DEFINITELY possible to have weed ADDICTION be a huge, huge, obstacle in one's life. As it seems to be for the OP's child: when you get arrested, and it impacts your future, and you STILL CANNOT STOP despite all the consequences and repercussions: that is a major red flag, and text book addiction. You continue to do the behavior despite the horrendous outcome (ie a heroin addict keeps shooting heroin despite losing their family, going to jail, etc; a pot smoker continues to smoke despite losing friends, getting arrested and legal consequences, etc)

Just as possible as it is for heroin. Less likely? Absolutely. But possible nonetheless.
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Number 1. I have never lost my family over this drug.
Number 2. Never been to jail in my life or been in trouble with the law
Number 3. Please dont use the words of heroin and speak of Cannabis in the same sentence.
Number 4. Dont call me buddy, I am not your buddy.
Number 5. Have You EVER had a child that made horrible choices and had to live through that with them?
I am not defensive I am sorry I could not hear you over my freedom of speech, or choice.
 
he is right though, there's no denying it; plenty of scientific research to back him up, peer reviewed studies, and very many anecdotal reports. Your personal experience is irrelevant.
 
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