• Psychedelic Drugs Welcome Guest
    View threads about
    Posting RulesBluelight Rules
    PD's Best Threads Index
    Social ThreadSupport Bluelight
    Psychedelic Beginner's FAQ
  • PD Moderators: Esperighanto | JackARoe |

My No.1 Fear

E

Euphoric Status

Bluelighter
Joined
Feb 21, 2012
Messages
118
So I've always had this weird kind of fear when it came to drugs, but mostly just psychedelics and dissociatives.

I'm always down to trip balls, but I'm afraid that it'll last forever. I know that sounds pretty silly... but just to make sure, has this EVER happened to someone?

I almost turned my beautiful DMT trip into a bad one because of that thought, but luckily I hid that thought before the DMT *really* kicked in.
 
Long lasting psychological effects have been known to occur, look up HPPD, psychs can also exacerbate mental illness. It's not something I'd worry about (unless you have reason to question your mental ability to handle them), if you treat these drugs with the proper respect.

Just mind your set and setting, there are a number of good threads giving advice on how to enourage a positive trip, do some searching and read through them. I think they may be able to help you deal with any negative feelings that occur or avoid them insofar as it is possible.
 
I've noticed I have some HPPD symptoms since using phenethylamines more heavily.. Still space out my trips by months minimum and its been about 2 months since my last experience. I've noticed that high doses of Cannabis can exacerbate it, though I can filter it out to a degree while sober. Its nothing exactly psychedelic but just many sparkles, slight. I also have noted that there are floaters in my vision, pretty much always, since having used psychedelics more. Though I can't say with certainty its from the frying.

Nothing really all that bad though.. My use has been moderate, keep it to a decently moderate level and you shouldn't have any severe side effects.. Unless you are entirely mentally ill and you have to be honest with yourself when contemplating tripping, can you handle it? Do you have the time to set aside to being in a psychedelic state? Do you have a place to be and all necessities to a peaceful mindset?

The more I plan my trips and set aside time to engage fully in them the better they seem to go. Treat them with respect, don't overdo it and make yourself at home.
 
HPPD kinda sucks...especially when you smoke weed. All the flashbacks keep coming back. I blame this on using 4-Aco-DMT 3 times in one week. I hope it'll go away after I take a long break from tripping but it's really not that bad...just can't smoke weed anymore.
 
I think it's a shame (for myself as well) if there is fear before, during or after a trip to get stuck in it unless you are mentally unstable - however it is a sign that you are trying your best to keep a judgement of reality that is somewhat solid. When your view of reality becomes liquid and unstable that's when you really need to be careful.
During a trip it's best to just let go and don't resist the flood of thoughts that can be quite impossible (logically non-sensical and paradoxical often), this is fine for the duration of a trip. It's tricky to lose everything out of sight, breaks from reality in which things happen that in reality do not happen at all rather than warping... it's been known to happen with things like 2C-T-7 more easily and also with psychedelics combined with amnestic drugs.

Fear is a bad factor, but what is worse is losing healthy skepticism towards everything. Or becoming obsessed with the true nature of things behind the scenes of reality, so desperately that you become open to wild possibilities regardless of a base of evidence. I had a mild case of that when I tripped like weekly on acid for about a year, but luckily I discovered the importance of skepticism and that it is not synonymous with closed-mindedness.

I'm approaching this rather rationally, this kind of thing (psychosis) can happen in a snap - then there is very little precaution to take against it.
 
I'm pretty sure it's relatively common to have drastic alterations to your perceptual framework when you use psychedelics heavily. That's why you get the people who turn into deities or are in contact with beings or can't ever think quite normal like before again.
 
Solipsis said:
Fear is a bad factor, but what is worse is losing healthy skepticism towards everything. Or becoming obsessed with the true nature of things behind the scenes of reality, so desperately that you become open to wild possibilities regardless of a base of evidence. I had a mild case of that when I tripped like weekly on acid for about a year, but luckily I discovered the importance of skepticism and that it is not synonymous with closed-mindedness.
Click to expand...

would you mind elaborating on this? the nature of things behind the scenes of reality part.
 
i have this same fear in a nonsensical way...its not like the trip will last forever but more on the lines of that because reality is possibly just a representation of your own thoughts, altering the thing that creates thoughts (brain) could somehow completely throw off your original perception of reality. Almost like maybe my mind is the only one in this reality, and even after being completely altered, no one else will notice because im the only person here. crazy talk haha but just a thought i get when tripping mostly on acid. if it doesnt make sense its because its too hard to explain
 
My trips that have gone bad have been because of not taking care of my body. Not enough snacks (or the wrong type of snack), not enough water or electrolytes, trying to push myself to be very conscious and active in moments when I should lay down and rest for a minute.

Actually, the worst trips I've had have all been from being tired. During the trip I lay down and start to fall asleep, but it's never a true sleep because the tripping is too stimulating to allow for genuine sleep. So I get trapped in this semi-conscious state where my brain is stuck in its most basest state. Even when I wake up and try to move around, I'm never totally awake again and it feels like the trip is stuck in between conscious and unconscious. It's always agony because all I want to do is sleep but the tripping won't allow it.

I swear... never be super tired when you do a drug like LSD.
 
I had this fear the first time I ever tripped on LSD. However, it was entirely my fault. I was extremely drunk when I dosed, had railed a bit of coke, and continued drinking during my trip. I think when the alcohol started to wear off, the visuals started kicking in harder which is when i thought it would be a good idea to start smoking copious amounts of weed. By the morning, I was still tripping hard and in my intoxicated state I forgot I had dosed the LSD past midnight and convinced myself I had been tripping for 14+ hours. My trip partner had also fallen asleep on me, and had taken way more so i had a mini panic attack and went on bluelight to come up with some answers. Luckily, I soon realized I was being foolish and thus began my love for PD on bluelight! If only I had been as educated on psychedlics as I am now..
 
I think a lot of people blow HPPD out of proportion to be totally honest. I understand the fear, and the terror of having visuals last for weeks, even months after a trip, but let's be real...it's not ruining your life. And if it is, it's only because you are letting it.

I've done countless RC's and Psychedelics since I started in the summer of 2010. I have eye floaters, and constant trails in my vision. Do I let it bother me? No. Because I know what it's from, and I don't let it affect my day to day activities.

I don't care how severe you think you're HPPD is, it's only a problem when you start to let it be a problem.
 
J.Wallace said:
I don't care how severe you think you're HPPD is, it's only a problem when you start to let it be a problem.
Click to expand...


False, this is just blatantly ignorant. HPPD isn't simply tracers and hue distortion and wavy lines. HPPD can include very serious non-visual hallucinations and delusional thoughts and can often interfere dramatically with the ability to perform even simple tasks. Try staying calm when people can read your thoughts or the people on TV are talking directly to you, when you have no idea that it isn't real. Try greeting customers that are gods in disguise that were sent to test your faith.

You don't have any real problems with your apparently very minor HPPD? Awesome, good for you.
Don't belittle the fact that you have no idea of the experiences of others, despite what is probably true about exaggeration in many cases.
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
False, this is just blatantly ignorant. HPPD isn't simply tracers and hue distortion and wavy lines. HPPD can include very serious non-visual hallucinations and delusional thoughts and can often interfere dramatically with the ability to perform even simple tasks. Try staying calm when people can read your thoughts or the people on TV are talking directly to you, when you have no idea that it isn't real. Try greeting customers that are gods in disguise that were sent to test your faith.

You don't have any real problems with your apparently very minor HPPD? Awesome, good for you.
Don't belittle the fact that you have no idea of the experiences of others, despite what is probably true about exaggeration in many cases.
Click to expand...

That doesn't change the one, simple fact that it's only a problem if you let it become a problem.

I have delusional thoughts. I get ideas that people can read my every move, every thought. I get paranoid beyond belief that my thoughts are being read aloud in a quiet room. We all do. Who the fuck doesn't. It doesn't matter, because those symptoms, or adverse reactions, or what ever you prefer to call them, is only a problem if you allow yourself to believe that it's reality.

People, and by people I mean every single person I know, has a tendency to exaggerate beyond belief. Shit, I do it too! It's not ignorance, my friend, it's wisdom of knowing these thoughts and delusional ideas are simply that, delusional, falsities. It's being smart enough to keep that one simple thought in the back of your mind, and that is "This is not reality". If you don't, you are bound to drive yourself insane.
 
It's not that simple J.Wallace. Delusion by definition means that you believe it. If you know that you're being delusional by keeping those thoughts in the back of your mind, you're plain and simple not having a delusion. You'd be having a fantasy or a weird thought, but certainly not a delusion.
And besides, that's also very narrow-minded to believe that it isn't real. I mean, obviously it isn't something happening in like, Consensus or any objective reality.. But if it is happening to you, and you feel it, that's very real (subjectively). Things in the mind can be just as real and influential as anything ”outside”.

Parappa, I like what you said about interpretation and situation. I'm not even struggling with this myself, I've dealt with it way too long, but that just doesn't discredit that some people are very detrimentally affected by HPPD.
Also, you're right about how for some people it comes on as visual snow and the like, while others get their flips switched.


I guess all I'm saying is that HPPD isn't something that can just be waved aside for a lot of people.
That's an awful attitude to have towards any problems people are dealing with.
Oh, your mom just died? It's only a problem if you let it be. People die everyday day. Don't be a pussy.

Just seems a bit off..
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
It's not that simple J.Wallace. Delusion by definition means that you believe it. If you know that you're being delusional by keeping those thoughts in the back of your mind, you're plain and simple not having a delusion. You'd be having a fantasy or a weird thought, but certainly not a delusion.
And besides, that's also very narrow-minded to believe that it isn't real. I mean, obviously it isn't something happening in like, Consensus or any objective reality.. But if it is happening to you, and you feel it, that's very real (subjectively). Things in the mind can be just as real and influential as anything ”outside”.

Parappa, I like what you said about interpretation and situation. I'm not even struggling with this myself, I've dealt with it way too long, but that just doesn't discredit that some people are very detrimentally affected by HPPD.
Also, you're right about how for some people it comes on as visual snow and the like, while others get their flips switched.


I guess all I'm saying is that HPPD isn't something that can just be waved aside for a lot of people.
That's an awful attitude to have towards any problems people are dealing with.
Oh, your mom just died? It's only a problem if you let it be. People die everyday day. Don't be a pussy.

Just seems a bit off..
Click to expand...

Perhaps I'm cold hearted, but yes...again, "Your mom just died? It's only a problem if you let it be" is absolutely true. My mother died a little over a year ago, I realize now it's only a problem if you let it be. Mind over matter. If you don't mind, it don't matter. It's the brutal, cold hearted truth. And hey, the truth hurts.

Obviously people react differently to everything. Some more severe, some more minor. Some minor with exaggeration. Some severe, with no concern. Personally, I'm one to take severe reactions, and turn them into minor problems by simply stopping them from affecting my day to day life. Honestly though, I'm a fucked up human being, so perhaps I just don't let things affect me like other people do, whether it be emotions or mental reactions to outside influences.

By no means do I mean to say every single person who experiences HPPD is a pussy and exaggerating. And if that's what it came across as, I apologize. I know a few people personally, including myself who experience HPPD. Me? To be honest my symptoms are quite minor. Things are always slightly wavy, I get tons of eye floaters and visual pops, but nothing that stops me from living out my life. But one or two people I know personally have it more severe than me. And all of them agree, it's only a problem and a negative effect if you convince yourself it is.
 
Thanks for all the posts. :)

I'm not exactly the healthiest person, so I guess I can add that to my "always to-do list". Stay healthy... sane... and always mind your setting. Sounds good to me.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top