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steelknees

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Hi all,

I certainly hope i am in the right area here i am new so be gentle,

Well, after living a so-call clean life minimal drinking, and no drugs, i find myself in my "mid-life" dare i say 50ish. Never tried any drug other then prescribed by a doctor. Anyway, a couple of years ago i had a work accident, broke both my knees. well i found out fast what "drugs" are. They had me on Fentanyl, morphine, Oxycontin and 2 or three others during my 4 week stay rebuilding my knees and lower legs including 5 months of physical rehab. It has been 2 years and i am completely healed and not touched a drug other then OTC stuff once i was sent home from rehab. i am back to biking 150 miles a week and walking/running. pretty much normal, work life bla bla bla. by the way all the drugs i had during my injury made me sick....i mean vomiting, dizzy nausea. the worst you can think of. SO, combined with the migraine and extreme tinnitus i have had for years and the pain from so much metal work and arthritis starting, i searched for something that would make life a bit more tolerable at times. A buddy who has been involved with drugs a long time asked if i tried cocaine, of course i had not. Being open minded and of the belief that no human on this planet has a right to tell me what i can put in my body i agreed to take a look. I used this site extensively to learn all i could about it. I obtained a small amount and tried, (as guided by the site) all was fine. was a short lived but welcomed break from all the bs pain. I do not like smoking anything, and snorting was not as effective as i thought it could be. I tried using it intravenously which worked for me awesome. it was almost instant and lasted 20-30 min. No nausea, no dizzy spell and no vomit. Is this common? and is this a correct result? I have used it 2 times since my initial use. usually small amounts and 1-3 shots in a 3 hour period. I put my shit (proper needles, and the rest of the needed materials) away and that's it for about 10 days or so. Will this be a steady thing or will i want to use more, can an addiction be avoided buy limited use? this drug seems to give me a much needed break from all the pains and bs. I have a good life, no complaints other then the injury so might there be any other folks here with similar issue? Is a 3 shot session a decent "vacation"? any and all suggestions are welcomed. I have no intention to stop or jump on the BS government bandwagon of saying NO to drugs, seeing as they are the biggest drug dealers on the planet (alcohol and tobacco) more addiction and deaths then all wars fought since the beginning of time. And a tax stamp. LOL. remember folks the difference between legal and illegal is nothing more then money.

Good luck to all of you and thanks again for the outlet and help.
Steelknees
 
If you weren't IVing it I'd say you're probably good to go. I was an IV coke and Heroin addict up until about 9 mos ago, so I'm a little biased.
I've ODed on IV coke once and H a few times. I still crave that coke rush that only coming thru a needle has ever given me.
Have you ever tried an herb called Kratom?
 
no i have not, i understand it's dangerous, but compared to all the other crap they had me on this seems less of an evil. and as of yet, IV seems to be working. i practiced with just sterile distilled water before every trying the actual coke. but the stuff i get is pretty weak so what i am feeling is a very mild sensation on my tongue, then a quiet calm feeling in my head, then i feel pretty fucking good for about 30 min. it's a welcomed break from an other wise pain day. i can't snort it because i have a deviated septum and sinusitis. and i refuse to smoke anything at all. so IV was the only choice other then not trying it. my buddy is an army medic and taught me to inject safely and properly. i am new but educated. i understand the addiction aspect and i feel a 7-10 day break in between uses can be beneficial. May i ask you what i would feel if i had more then the small amount that i feel now? should small amounts be all i do? what would u advise other then not using it? i want to be safe and knowledgeable, thank u so much.
 
If you aren't an addictive type already, then maybe you can pull that off. But you gotta be careful bc quality of product can change between batches and cuts. You could be doing 5% pure one week and be doing 45% pure the next. You never know.
I just feel that there are better, safer, and even cheaper ways of relief.
Plus Kratom is legal....for now. I sent a link via messages
 
Fentanyl is the devil of all drugs. Everything else seems like responsible fun compared to it.
 
Hey...I don't have much to offer except my understanding and support for anyone who needs PAIN RELIEF. I, like you, am 50-ish but started an endless journey of injury 4 decades ago. I was airlifted from a near fatal car crash during my junior year in HS. I've been through a plethera of surgeries and treatments for stage 4 endometriosis (complicated). The chemicals injected into my body to "kill" the disease "killed" my entire skeleton.

I'm a mind over matter kinda gal...raised that way...no crying allowed...chin up, smile on face. I've always white-knuckled through some daily harrowing pain with only Darvocet. Tramadol and Lortab were tried by GP, but somehow didn't help. My story is way long and can be found with search here (DixiChik).

I NEED HELP, folks. PM for 1.5 years has trialed Morphine to Fentanyl to Oxycodone. NO to Morphine and Fentanyl..."maybe" to Oxycodone, but I read the horror stories of how it ruins lives. My husband wants me to try MM, but I'm a PollyAnna. I don't want to smoke anything. I certainly don't want anything that sedates or causes crazy cravings. Constipation is a horrible problem without the opiates, and deadly with them.

I'm LOST. I don't know what to do. I don't want to continue to grind my way through painful days with no hope of better. I also don't want to find myself desperate for the next dose. I'd be good with just "some" relief so that I can regroup from the deepening depression and hopelessness.

BTW, I literally FEEL your knee pain...BOB resides here, in both knees. I get Synvisc injections and swim laps daily, but God, I have pain from the rooter to the tooter! :!
 
My condolences hearing what you have been through.

Now I've used cocaine nasally before, but listen, intravenous cocaine is NOT the kind of drug you want to get into if you want to avoid serious addiction that will NOT be pleasant.

CAN it be avoided, sure, anything is possible but ESPECIALLY doing it intravenously is going to pack a HELL of a punch and from what I've heard the withdrawals can be HELLACIOUS and it is bad for your heart and possible to OD.

Anyways, isn't your biggest issue the physical pain you are dealing with??

I don't believe that cocaine is a pain killer.


I think Kratom is what you are after dude.

It's addictive, but even the WORST Kratom addiction isn't like intravenous cocaine.

It kills pain, gives you energy that lasts all day, and there has never been a real proven case of a death caused by it alone without any other substances added in, plus it is legal and you can't overdose on it like you can with other painkillers and since you said you don't like to smoke well, good news cause you can either make a tea from Kratom or wash it down your throat with water and it tastes pretty shitty, kind of like dirt lol, but that's a small price to pay and it lasts A LOT longer than cocaine, usually 3--4 hours and then you can take more.

Marijuanna is also great for certain kinds of pain and is not habit forming and if you don't want to smoke it you can either make food out of it and eat that or buy a vaporizor and vaporize it which is not quite the same as smoking it, more like making STEAM out of of it and STEAMING it.

IMO THESE are the two drugs you should be looking for and NOT cocaine.

They will probably help you more than cocaine will, ESPECIALLY for your pain, and with fewer consequences.

Consider what you are trying to achieve because I don't think the end result will be good for you if you stick with coke but Kratom and weed, ESPECIALLY Kratom, could be a true panacea for you.

I really think it is probably made for someone in your situation.

Good luck.
 
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DixiChik said:
Hey...I don't have much to offer except my understanding and support for anyone who needs PAIN RELIEF. I, like you, am 50-ish but started an endless journey of injury 4 decades ago. I was airlifted from a near fatal car crash during my junior year in HS. I've been through a plethera of surgeries and treatments for stage 4 endometriosis (complicated). The chemicals injected into my body to "kill" the disease "killed" my entire skeleton.

I'm a mind over matter kinda gal...raised that way...no crying allowed...chin up, smile on face. I've always white-knuckled through some daily harrowing pain with only Darvocet. Tramadol and Lortab were tried by GP, but somehow didn't help. My story is way long and can be found with search here (DixiChik).

I NEED HELP, folks. PM for 1.5 years has trialed Morphine to Fentanyl to Oxycodone. NO to Morphine and Fentanyl..."maybe" to Oxycodone, but I read the horror stories of how it ruins lives. My husband wants me to try MM, but I'm a PollyAnna. I don't want to smoke anything. I certainly don't want anything that sedates or causes crazy cravings. Constipation is a horrible problem without the opiates, and deadly with them.

I'm LOST. I don't know what to do. I don't want to continue to grind my way through painful days with no hope of better. I also don't want to find myself desperate for the next dose. I'd be good with just "some" relief so that I can regroup from the deepening depression and hopelessness.

BTW, I literally FEEL your knee pain...BOB resides here, in both knees. I get Synvisc injections and swim laps daily, but God, I have pain from the rooter to the tooter! :!
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I would also recommend Kratom to you for the same reason as the other guy.

It is generally not very harmful and no one has ever OD from it.

It can cause constipation however, but not as bad as those drugs you were on and it is addictive if you take it every day, but MUCH less so than any of those other drugs.

You should also try marijuanna, even edible if you don't want to smoke it.

Both Kratom and edible marijuanna have many medical benefits for people going through pain and they are SO much safer than all those other drugs.

Marijuanna is even safer than Kratom.
 
steelknees said:

I put my shit (proper needles, and the rest of the needed materials) away and that's it for about 10 days or so. Will this be a steady thing or will i want to use more, can an addiction be avoided buy limited use? this drug seems to give me a much needed break from all the pains and bs. I have a good life, no complaints other then the injury so might there be any other folks here with similar issue? Is a 3 shot session a decent "vacation"? any and all suggestions are welcomed. I have no intention to stop
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Yes, that's all the expected results. I couldn't tell you how many shots is a decent "vacation", that's all down to personal taste my friend.

To me, you already sound like you're on sketchy ground - it is very difficult to remain an occasional user of IV cocaine from what I've seen, and there are many many other, better ways to relieve your pain. Once you start trying to find out how often you can use before becoming dependent, that's an indication that you'll want to use it as much as you can, and it becomes harder and harder to control the frequency the more times you do it. It'll start out being 10 days between uses, then 8 days, then 6... 4... You get the picture. It's the same with opioids. Plus it seems to me to be a very extreme approach, to start IVing cocaine with this purpose in mind seems a little crazy in my eyes.

I would recommend trying a Red Vein Borneo Kratom - it's well known as being the strain closest to traditional opioids, and for being a good painkiller. If you want to try others as well, I would recommend sticking to Red Vein varieties. Also, make sure you always buy either dried leaves, or powdered leaf, not extracts as these are unnecessarily expensive and usually very weak. It is a very simple process to make your own extracts anyway, otherwise as previously mentioned you can make tea, or even just pop enough in a load of capsules and swallow them with a hot drink, for example. Making your own extract is good because it means you don't have to consume a lot of liquid or plant matter, simply swallow a little lump of putty. Plus, kitchen chemistry is really fun!

If you have a relatively low opioid tolerance it should work well, many people including myself have had success in managing chronic pain using it. Check the Kratom Megathread for more information http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/727164-Kratom-Mega-Thread-V-4

I would also recommend cannabis edibles, or cannabis oil that can often be found in capsules, or simply in a bottle (I found oil is the best for pain, but edibles also work well). You can get edibles and oil containing high amounts of CBD (cannabidiol) which is an extremely effective painkiller found in cannabis that is used by cancer patients (amongst many other kinds of patients experiencing pain). If you can't get hold of those, you can always just smoke or vapourise some herb too, it still works :) or you could make your own edibles of course.
There's no issue with physical dependence or addiction like there is with opioids or indeed cocaine, it is also completely harmless to the body which cannot be said about coke! Plus you'll have a big smile on your face ;) and be able to get a good night's sleep! Some individuals even argue that CBD is more effective as a painkiller than opioids.

A combination of Red Vein Borneo Kratom & CBD-rich cannabis oil has a fantastic painkilling effect for me and allows me to move without being in pain, and really enjoy life again, all while knowing that I am not putting anything harmful or artificial in my body, just the wonderful herbs of the earth (at the risk of sounding like a tree-hugging hippie lol)

Good luck on your quest, I hope you solve your problems with pain. But as other people have recommended, and I agree with them, cocaine is not the right path to take here, it is definitely worthwhile doing some research into Kratom, and getting yourself some good ganja :) Cocaine should be for very infrequent recreation, not for pain management.
 
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I ended up an opiate addict through pain medication.

I signed a piece of paper basically saying that I would eventually become addicted and physically dependent on my medication if I chose to go on chronic pain management and god damn they were right.

I find getting pain pills a dual edged sword. I will be honest when I say I used to get pleasure from my pain medication and occasionally on a rare occasion still do but it is mostly me not wanting to be in pain and the resulting withdrawal I get from the medication.

It is your life and your decisions. I had excellent will power when it came to drugs before my injuries and chronic pain management. Better than anyone I knew. I could easily put down any drug but that went out the window once I started on stuff like morphine, opana, fentynal, oxycontin, oxycodone, and dilaudid and I had prescriptions for all the pills and more.

I still have a pain contract and well some days I wish I had just decided to not go on chronic pain management. It hurt so bad, it did. But I will tell you straight up some days the cure is worse the the ailment. So you have been warned as to the dire consequences and most likely it will change your life drastically.

But in my experience I have gotten sicker than I ever thought a man could get, had two abcesses that almost killed me and I almost lost my arm, car accidents that were probably my fault, wasted ungodly amounts of money, and gone to jail and did time (not much) over this but still any time in jail sucks and I am not exactly a criminal.
 
injecting cocaine is a terrible idea, you can't play around with it too much, it's a very clingy (addicting) thing

before i ever shot cocaine, i had fooled around with needles already. morphine and methylphenidate mostly. i didn't do it to cope with anything or to be functional, just plain screwing around and being careless. i had a big supply and used to indulge every once in a while, some times a few times a week, but still going a few weeks without. i wasn't psychologically nor physically addicted.

i lost my stash and decided to be cool for a while, and it was all ok. no commitment to the needle or any drug at all! no cravings, nothing. yeah, the memory of the rushes were pretty clear in my mind but it didn't bug me...

i started snorting cocaine infrequently a few months later and rememer hearing it was the real deal when IVed. i injected it and holy shit it was amazing. then i did it again, and again and again and again and again and i started dreaming about it! i soon noticed this couldn't go well so i jumped off of it as soon as i could... three months since last played with it and just the other day i dreamed about it again... it really gets you, in an insidious way, it can become your focus really quick.

so, personally injecting cocaine is way, way worse and more addicting than injecting other drugs such as morphine. i knew i had to be careful not to let morphine become a crutch, but cocaine simply grows into you, whether you want it or not!

it's fucked up man, ask infantanihilator, he posts on Other Drugs every once in a while. i bet he can give you some scary accounts of IV cocaine addiction...

like others said, if you need pain relief, go for kratom man. great suggestion
 
Mycophile said:
I would also recommend Kratom to you for the same reason as the other guy.

It is generally not very harmful and no one has ever OD from it.

It can cause constipation however, but not as bad as those drugs you were on and it is addictive if you take it every day, but MUCH less so than any of those other drugs.

You should also try marijuanna, even edible if you don't want to smoke it.

Both Kratom and edible marijuanna have many medical benefits for people going through pain and they are SO much safer than all those other drugs.

Marijuanna is even safer than Kratom.
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Thank you for your reply. I would be more than willing to try either for pain relief. I've read of "tinctures" and capsules from MJ for pain relief. I know little if anything about Kratom. I will look at that thread. I don't know how I could safely access either product.

I already KNOW I don't want to "do" the Pain Management route...Who does? But who wants to exist in writhing pain 24/7?

I have never taken recreational drugs of any kind...ever. I don't judge those who do...never have. I just wouldn't. I can easily see how PM becomes a slippery slope to addiction.

I will do some research on herbal plant-based remedies. :\ I just don't want to feel dazed and confused, craving Cheetos. I have to be sharp and productive. Is that possible with either of your suggestions?
 
If I could do the whole thing over again I would have moved to a medical marijuana state and controlled as much pain as possible with mj.

My plan now is to move to a medical or legal marijuana state and control as much pain as possible with marijuana. Now that being said I like mj and I know it works for me in terms of pain relief. I can't say you will like it or it will work for you.

I did notice that my chronic pain got severely worse once I quit smoking marijuana. Basically the only reason I stopped smoking marijuana was because it was illegal and I went from having the best hookup you could have to having to drive 5 hour round trips to get decent shit at a decent price. I was not about to fork over twice as much money for shitty weed and well driving around with a pound or two or mj in my car did not seem like great of an idea either.

I did try kratom for pain and well it did not do much. I tried a few headshops and then a kratom vendor that is well known and loved and still kratom did nothing for me but everyone's body is different so that is just me. I find tylenol to be more effective than kratom. Kratom doesn't give me any pain relief nor any type of buzz. So yeah I did try the tinctures and what not but with no results.

I did find very far down the road in pain management there are some non narcotic medications that help. I take zanaflex for muscle spams and lyrica for nerve pain. Lyrica is now a schedule 5 which is not a big deal to my doctors and I honestly can't figure out why it is scheduled at all. I suppose gabapentin which is a close cousin is not scheduled if you are going the whole completely non addictive route if you are the type that avoids dxm and sudafed with a cold as that is what I would equate it to.

I also get a cream that is a mix of lidocaine, various anti inflammatories, some gaba drugs, and ketamine. The cream is ten percent ketamine but I suppose they trust me enough to not eat it and since it has lidocaine in it, any attempts to inject it would yield a trip to the ER for sure. It was difficult to get my insurance to pay for a compound but it sure was worth getting.

I am not saying that somewhere out there that there is not someone addicted to lyrica but I have met people who were addicted to tylenol and people who injected benadryl.

Anyways I suggest trying to control the pain with every non narcotic method and medicine you can so even if shit goes bad and you still end up addicted to opiates hopefully it will at least be on a smaller scale or maybe you can find that you can control it with non narcotic medication. Its best to smart off with as little pain medication as possible because becoming addicted to it is rough.

It can be very difficult to take it as directed as you may find yourself in pain and in withdrawal between doses. That is the hardest thing to accept. I hate waking up in withdrawal. It is the worst feeling for me. I used to love how I felt in the mornings and now I feel horrible until I take my pain medication and it kicks in. That really can take a good life and make it have so rather horrible moments.

Also I have had people try to steal my medication and one time someone was successful. I was lucky my doctor believed me and broke policy when this happened because usually they just let you suffer if your medication is lost or stolen. So a word to the wise is that if you are given a prescription for scheduled pain medication to lock it up in a good safe and also do not tell people you have it. Drug addicts will come out the woodwork and beg you to loan, give, or sell it to them and usually intend to just fuck you over. If you loan an addict something, you probably just gave it to them.

It is sad to see people suffer but I won't give someone else my pain medication. I have had people say I was a horrible person but I am thinking where the fuck do they get off getting addicted to something they do not even need and then begging someone with a legitimate need and prescription to sell it to them.

There have been times where I ran out of medication and bought more and shit that was expensive. Buying hardcore street drugs like heroin or copping extra pain medication on the street is not something I really advise and would say is an experience you can skip out on as it won't enrich your life. It really sucks to get arrested for possesion of pain medication when really you just needed a bit more because you were in so much pain that you ran low. Even your lawyer will think you are a drug addict by then and you just might be.

So yeah I have been to jail over not wanting to suffer and ending up suffering more. I forgot to mention just exactly how I had gotten abcesses but it was from injecting my medication which is really and unpleasant scenario but walking into a hospital with a limb feeling as though it about to fall off sucks. Also doing this knowing you are going to lose your pain prescription and you are not going to even get much pain medication during this horrificaly painful ordeal really fucking sucks.

So if you are in a great deal of pain I would ask for all the non narcotic medication you can get, consider things like marijuana and kratom, and try to not abuse your medication by taking to much or sniffing or shooting it as it fucks up your tolerance and the effectiveness of the medication. I never wanted all these horrible things to happen, I was just trying to hold on to the same life goals that pain was making it harder to reach.

I want you to understand that I had almost 5 years of college under my belt and was seeking to get an MBA when I started to take other drugs and abuse my medication. I just could not come to terms with how much pain I was in. At that time I could barely write my name and couldn't type very much at all, so I did get more motor function. I had to accept my injury to move on and well every day is a struggle to take my medication properly as it is very easy to crush up a pill and sniff or shoot it.

I do know I do not want to go back to jail or end up in the hospital again and that is a huge motivation to not squander my 3rd or 4th chance. I really do not know how many 2nd chances I have been given but probably more than I deserve and less than I deserve at the same time.

I wish you the best of luck and to proceed with your eyes open and be honest with yourself about the medication. I am not saying whether or not it is ok to take opiates I am just saying to be honest with yourself about how they affect you.
 
DixiChik said:
Thank you for your reply. I would be more than willing to try either for pain relief. I've read of "tinctures" and capsules from MJ for pain relief. I know little if anything about Kratom. I will look at that thread. I don't know how I could safely access either product.

I already KNOW I don't want to "do" the Pain Management route...Who does? But who wants to exist in writhing pain 24/7?

I have never taken recreational drugs of any kind...ever. I don't judge those who do...never have. I just wouldn't. I can easily see how PM becomes a slippery slope to addiction.

I will do some research on herbal plant-based remedies. :\ I just don't want to feel dazed and confused, craving Cheetos. I have to be sharp and productive. Is that possible with either of your suggestions?
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With Kratom it is DEFINITELY possible to feel sharp and productive, if not maybe even MORE productive than sober.

There are 3 different kinds of Kratom called "veins" or "Strains".

These are red, green and White.

Red is the most sedating of them, more likely to make you a bit tired and feel a bit more like a conventional pain medication.

White is the most stimulating and at times may feel like some very strong coffee but also with the opioid pain killing effects and good mood.

Green is in the middle, stimulating AND kind of like an opiate.

So for your purposes you MAY feel a bit better with a white or a green vein than a Red, but all of them can give you energy.

Kratom can be a VERY productive drug.

Where it orginally comes from, Thailand, it is know as the drug of the working class and day laborers take Kratom in order to be able to work longer harder hours and be in a good mood while doing it.

Imagine something that puts you in a great mood because it feels nice and gives you buzz, but at the same time you feel FULL of energy like you had some coffee but WITHOUT all the nervous jitters AND it is a GREAT pain killer so all that hard labor is easier to do because you aren't so sore!!!

That is what kratom is like....kind of like a mixture of Vicodin and a few cups of strong caffinated green tea.

Marijuanna on the other hand CAN make some people lazy...it does not have that effect on ALL people however, and because it is completely non-addictive there is no reason that you might not want to give it a try OTHER than of course the legality issues which I am assuming you do not live in a state where it is legal.


But Kratom on the other hand is legal in 46 states. The only states where Kratom is illegal are: Tennesee, Wisconsin, Indiana and Vermont.

If you do not live in one of those states (assuming you live in the United States that is...do you???) you can order Kratom online easily.
 
It sounds pretty plausible if you actually stick to the protocol you described...
but with the IV you are very likely to find yourself wanting that rush more and more. And you'll find yourself daydreaming about that glorious satisfaction of registering a vein. The IV process is probably more addictive than the cocaine.
But if you stick firmly to your limits that you have imposed it will be just fine. It's just that very few people could actually do that.

Also at your age i would say you definitely need to make sure your heart is in good health. Do not do it if you have high blood pressure. I would recommend getting a monitor too and making sure you heart rate and BP don't spike too high during the 10 mins or so after the shot.

Good luck and play safe.
 
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