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My Mylan Fentanyl Experience, Thoughts, & Questions...(100ug/hr Duragesic Generic)

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My Mylan Fentanyl Experience, Thoughts, & Questions...(100ug/hr Duragesic Generic)

*If you don't want to read the whole post, important information is highlighted in bold*

**First i just wanted to say that i spent the last 3 hours on bluelight pulling up old threads from '03-'06 regarding the use, misuse, and abuse of fentanyl transdermal systems from name brand (Duragesic) to near name brand (Durogesic) to the "at best" generic (Mylan).**

Id like to give you my experience to help you (the readers of bluelight) become further educated and learn more about the use and abuse of fentanyl transdermal systems. I decided to try for the first time fentanyl transdermal system. The only thing available was the 100ug/hr generic patch from Mylan. (^Read below for my background regarding prior use and tolerance of opioids.) Frankly i was afraid it wasnt going to be enough. But since i never experimented with this before and reading several posts/topics regarding fentanyl patches i decided to wear it. I put the patch on at midnight exactly sunday night/monday morning. I began to feel the effects of simply wearing a 100ug/hr fentanyl patch at around 3-4hrs after onset. From wake up time (6am) to late evening (9pm) i felt definitely satisfied and a suddle opiate buzz. I chose to skip (for the first time) my MMT dose and i don't regret it at all. I was perfectly fine throughout the day, infact a slight bit high. After around 20hrs of onset (2 hrs ago from writing this i began to feel a decrease in buzz and a return of the usual pain). Even though these patches are 72hrs, in my opinion nothing lasts as long as it says (especially OxyContin but thats a whole different topic). From reading the posts & the PDR for the Mylan Fentanyl Patch, most patients need to redose after 48hrs or in otherwords the effects are nill post ~48-50hrs. Now my time was only about half of that, but i felt what i felt and believing that it wasnt going to get much better than that (certainly not anywhere near what one would consider "high" or "nodding"), i decided it was time to explore new methods. If this was it for me and i totally fucked the patch and ruined everything, up to this point it was a good to very good experience, definitely worth the 65$ dollars (since the amount that i would have to take converted to oxycodone over a period of 20 hrs to feel what i felt would be about 400-650mg oxycodone or 5-8 OxyContin 80mg pills).

So i continue to read on Bluelight on what to do. KTX49's posts were great especially the one about important info regarding mylan patches. I concluded the even though most people hate these (as they have no gel and seem abuse resistant/proof) a lot of people do say that chewing them/or placing them sublingual DO infact work. I even read about posters who chewed/sublingual abused pre-used patches. Obviously this was my only route to take. Assuming the patch was a little less than half done 20hrs of 48hrs total (dont buy into the 72hr claim). I pealed off and cut exactly one half of the patch. Roughly doing the math here, the patch was about half done and i took half the patch sublingual chewed (left the other half on my skin as not to waste it if i take it off) thats comes out to 25% of the total patch in my mouth or 25ug/hr or total of ~2.5mg fentanyl. (These patches say they contain total 10.20mg fentanyl). After about 15 minutes of onset since putting in mouth i feel pretty high and as i type this its been 30 minutes and the high has increased. (Ill post back later to fill in the gaps of the total feeling of what it was like). The questions...

1) Im having a difficult time in converting oral oxycodone to sublingually/chewed fentanyl from a patch. Now obviously this is going to be a very rough estimate as no one knows for sure how much im actually absorbing in my system from 1/2 used patch, how much of the patch was left before taking it off, and the bioavailiability of sublingual/chewed/partially swallowed fentanyl. I would like to know what this dose of fentanyl (roughly & taken in the manner and amount i mentioned)of oxycodone it would be equal to? Or if you want to answer a fresh 25ug/50ug/75ug/100ug sublingual/chewed patch would be equal to in oxycodone thats fine too.

2) What should i do (or do in the future) with the other half of the patch, leave it on me so it stays fresh but also continues to decrease in fentanyl content? Store it somehow etc...

3) I wouldnt mind spending 2X65$ for 2-3 days of bliss considering that would be like 1,000$ in oxycodone to feel like this...for 2 100ug patches and apply them at the same time but in different areas of the body. I read on the PDR the equvialent conversion daily dose from morphine (or any other opioid) to fentanyl transdermal system up to 300ug/hr in 25ug/hr increments. So are they implying you can wear up to 300ug/hr at once through multiple patches? Is wearing >1 patch OK even if it totals less than 100ug/hr? And does anyone have any experience with doing such? (If anyone wants the Mylan PDR pm me.)

4) Its 2007 now, i was reading posts from 2003. Has anyone found better ways (than just chewing/sublingual) to abuse Mylan patches?

^Opioid history/tolerance. Using opioids since 2003. Up to now......~100mg to feel OK/decent, 150-180mg to feel high as a kite, never went beyond 180mg at once (oxycodone). On MMT daily for 1.5 months started at 30mg quickly went up to 70mg at 90mg right now...been at 90mg for 2 weeks. Used exactly 80mg oxycodone at 1:00pm Sunday, 90mg Methadone 3:00pm Sunday. Placed Generic Duragesic (Mylan patch) on at midnight Sunday night or 9 hours later after Methadone dose (and yes it still worked, did not block the effects!)

Thank you,

-The UK
 
im sorry but i chewed two completely fresh 50mcg mylan patches(so one whole patch u have BRAND NEW) when i wasnt even ON methadone and i didnt get high....my tolerance was still high, but not 90mg methadone just to be stable....90mg of methadone that same day/time would have completely crushed me and for more than 36hrs straight.

let me ask u this?
are u itching?

if u are not itching out of ur gourd, than u arent high on fentanyl....of all the opiates ive taken fentanyl is by far the worst when it comes to that raw-itching u cannot stop.

im not saying ur stupid or anything, but i just highly doubt that with ur tolerance, chewing half of a used 100mcg patch especially a fucking mylan would do anything.

just wait till u get a real fent patch and take even 3-4 hits off foil of the gel....u will be laughing at urself for saying u are high from this shit.

later
 
ktx49 said:
if u are not itching out of ur gourd, than u arent high on fentanyl....of all the opiates ive taken fentanyl is by far the worst when it comes to that raw-itching u cannot stop.

i disagree with that.. when i had Actiq 800mcg i experianced very little itch. i had a low opiate tolerance. but one of those bad boys had me swervin.. just not itch from head to toe like i usually do when on oc..
 
I have no tolerance, but I had a duragesic patch not too long ago and one hit of the gel off of foil would send me into a rush that would last about 5 mins and then it would calm down to a mild opiate experience. Not bad.
 
Swerz said:
i disagree with that.. when i had Actiq 800mcg i experianced very little itch. i had a low opiate tolerance. but one of those bad boys had me swervin.. just not itch from head to toe like i usually do when on oc..

well all of my friends who smoked some of my fent gel off foil itched uncontrollably.....all 7 of them if i counted correct.

p.s. 800mcg isnt much especially if u sucked on the thing as directed....800mcg at once is another story.

later
 
Yes KTX49, i itched like crazy, my neck, my face, and especially my back and legs. Ive been using opiates daily for years i think i know when im high and what the high is like. I went from feeling pretty normal to really fucked up in 30+ minutes after i chewed the patch.

I left half the patch on last night. i just woke up 12 hrs later and i feel fine. No w/ds or anything so 1/2 the patch is still doing something. You said half a fucking Mylan patch like its nothing. Remember that its 100ug. If i chewed the whole 100ug patch id prolly be in somewhat trouble. The other day i took 6 Roxicodone 30mgs and i wasnt as high as when i chewed the patch....
 
the unknown said:
Assuming the patch was a little less than half done 20hrs of 48hrs total (dont buy into the 72hr claim).

Be very careful with this assumption; it's really not a good one. Just because it doesn't release after 48 hours or whatever doesn't mean the drug isn't still in the patch. If it hasn't released, it is most definitely still in the patch! Don't forget to account for it when calculating your dose!


the unknown said:
What should i do (or do in the future) with the other half of the patch, leave it on me so it stays fresh but also continues to decrease in fentanyl content?[/B] Store it somehow etc...

I get the brand, but this would work for any of them, just stick it on the plastic it came on or inside the foil- either works. I wouldn't leave it stuck on if I didn't want it releasing- just to avoid wasting it.


the unknown said:
So are they implying you can wear up to 300ug/hr at once through multiple patches? Is wearing >1 patch OK even if it totals less than 100ug/hr? And does anyone have any experience with doing such?

If your tolerance permits it, you could wear 300 at a time. I am scripted more than one at a time.
 
Hi Folks, I am an oldtimer that had been off opiates for some time as my neck healed..now have blown another disc and am on the mylan equivalent patches here in canada are called Ratio-fentanyl ..rationpharm is one of our generic makers up here... well, knoing I had been on 240mg of oxy's at one time with dilaudid 8's for breakthrough....I will tell you...I shaved the dead skin off my shoulder applied two 25 mcg patches in 36 hrs...next day applied a third and chewed the first one....my dad heard a thump and I wasn't breathing...so IMHO chewing the non-gel fent patches is the only way to get it into your system with immed effect...but believe me folks...I have been an opiate warrior for nearly 20 (started liking T3's at 15 when I broke my hip skiing) years and off of anything since august (went onMMT for a while and just quit everything cold turkey..I had little WD from going off of 135mg of meth...covered the symptoms by smoking some weed)...as of late for the past 2 months had been on the percs increasingly as i have blown another disk in my neck..I COULDN'T BELIEVE that I actually OD'd on a couple of 25mcg patches after being on the percs for some time...it was the combination of dry-shaving the skin off my shoulder almost to bleeding putting the patch on and applying heat...could hardly feel a thing ...next day second patch went on same method..no euphoria but definitely having trouble concentrating and articulating at work..end of day 2 (or beginning of day 3..can't remember) applied 3rd 25 mcg patch and chewed the first one...my research says there is still considerable amount of fent on the patch after 72 hours and to flush them..I gurantee it the chewing of the 2 day old patch that nearly did me in as it wasn't long after the chew I watched the floor come at me in slo-mo and woke up in ER after being narcan'd and resucitated...scary stuff man...so just be careful...I have been an opiate appropriate back-to-the-womb lover of this compound for 20 years and it suprised the hell out of me that those tiny little 25 mcg patches nearly did me in...be CAREFUL brothers and sisters..if your going to experiment with this shit PLEASE don't do it alone until you know your tolerance and limits.
Peace and mindjoy to you all

Omega
 
I just had my first fentaynl experience last week. i had the 75/mcg mylan patches. they didnt have any gel. so i cut one into 3 strips. every 10 min i would stick one more in between my lip and gum. after I added the 3rd strip(all 3 strips in my mouth at the same time) it seriously kicked in. i haven't been jammed like that since... i don't even remember ever being that high. it was unreal..i swear if i had a dick i would've been sucking it all night, (only cause i couldn't keep my head up). never ending nods, lots of itching, and i actually started talking funny. any who, i made sure i was as safe about it as one eating fentanyl patches can be. the high lasted a good 8 hours. the next day i tried the same thing but it wasn't even close to as good as the night before. i know what i just described as a good time makes me sound really bad but it is what it is, when i start i wanna feel it, hard.
so that was my experience and if i could find em id do it again...
thanks to everyone that helped me figure it out, and good luck with yours.

love life
 
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