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my massive codeine addtiction

^ And many others would agree that codeine has led them to harder opiates. For the sake of harm reduction it should be pointed out that codeine can lead to harder opiates.
 
the user will decide to use harder opiates.

what you're saying is akin to the marijuana is a gateway drug.

i don't like the drugs but the drugs like me
 
I thought of the whole gateway drug bullshit when I wrote my reply, and that's not what I'm trying to imply.

It is definitely the users' decision, but once people find they enjoy opiates, there is a greater chance they will move on to harder ones which is nothing like the whole pot as a gateway drug hysteria IMO.
 
^ I can definitely relate to that. I think that if I had never done codeine, I would never have started to enjoy harder opiates. Heroin was the first opiate I ever tried and I really didn't get much out of it at all. Codeine really taught me to appreciate the subtleties of opiates which then transferred into a much greater enjoyment of heroin. Though I think a big part of it was simply starting to use anti histamines which cured the terrible nausea smack used to give me.
 
I get paranoid that anti-histamines like telfast etc will blunt the high of opiates.

I know stuff like phenergan is supposed to synergise with opiates to some extent. Maybe Ill give that a go
 
^ I'm pretty sure that it's phenergan that will completely stop you from getting high off codeine, so you have to take it once you already feel high. I always use travacalm about 30 mins beforehand and that works well.
 
^ yep I think it was mr Blonde who told me promethazine inhibits the metabolism of codeine to morphine. I do kind of enjoy the sedation from phenergan though. Restavit (doxylamine) works well for me to reduce the itches/nausea from codeine so long as I keep the dose low enough not to fall asleep :) For stronger opiates I like to have some metoclopramide on hand just in case.
 
Cool. Ill do some research.

My thing is I always (well very often) get bad hay fever. Especially after going 48-72hrs + without codeine. I dont like to take a telfast in the morning if Im planning on having some codeine that night. Not sure if it would have a blunting effect on the codeine and never wanted to risk it... especially after abstaining for 72hrs ;)
 
As a side thing.... although restavit works a treat for getting to sleep, anyone find the groggy/fuzzy mindedness you get the next morning almost to unbearable to justify its use as a sleep aid?

Sure, after a big night on stims or something and I want sleep (with no benzos on hand) Ill down a few restavits. But I hate the headspace the next morning.
 
^ well unisom works out like twice the price, and getting temazepam is even more costly for me once you factor in the GP bill (mine doesn't bulk bill and i don't have a health care card). Restavit actually works out cheaper than the other options for me for a sleep aid. Even so you build a tolerance to it pretty damn quickly.
 
Yeah price isnt the issue for me really. Its just the hangover. I fucking hate it. Would rather take 4 triple strength melatonin with 200mg 5-htp. (crazy ass vivid dreams is a nice bonus with that combo too ;))

Also its not like anyone can just go get temazapam whenever you feel like it. In my experience getting benzos off docs is a pain in the ass battle that is more trouble than its worth.
 
footscrazy said:
You're an idiot. Here's a newsflash dipstick, just because you don't get a good high from codeine it doesn't mean that noone else does. Codeine is very dependent on liver enzymes, which differ dramatically from person to person. Around 2% of people are 'super converters' and have much higher levels of CYP2D6, which greatly increases the amount of codeine converted into morphine. I also use heroin and oxy regularly but codeine is my favourite opiod, and it's cheaper than any others too at $7 bucks a go.
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Well congratulations on being a super converter! I guess what i meant to say at the beginning but did not articulate due to laziness or similar, is why do people do otc with the prep involved and possibly not being able to get hold of any pills, in WA australia, if you buy too many tablets containing codeine or pseudoephedrine they make you show your id etc. I also think otc drugs arent very popular here in WA. So i may have a level of ignorance of the high.
 
^ There is no national database with codeine like there is with pseudo, if they take your ID it's only for the records of that specific store.

The prep involved takes literally 5 minutes, and I've never had trouble obtaining codeine wherever I've been in AU or even UK.
 
PureT3chD34th666 said:
hey guys im new to this site nd i was wondering if you guys might be able to tell how good my kidneys might be after 2 years of 240mg/4000mg of Codeine/Paracetemol use per day?
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Probably worth going to get a check. If you are going to use codeine, use the cold-water extraction, and find the products with codeine+ibuprofen, as ibuprofen can be taken at much higher levels without being damaging to your body than paracetamol.
 
Stato said:
Your not wrong there. I'm still pretty buzzed here this morning, and the thought has crossed my mind that I wouldn't mind some more....
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I started off just like you. Now I am on 14mg of Suboxone daily as I became dependent on CWE codeine, going through boxes of 72 tablets daily, and my parents found out so was forced to seek treatment.

It is very addictive.
 
It is addictive. You just have to force yourself to be disciplined. Taper down to the point where you can go every 2nd day without. Then go 2 days without once a week and use every 2nd day after that (essentially using just 3 days a week, eg. mon-wed-fri with sat and sun off).

You will be uncomfortable on sunday arvo... absolutely. But the knowledge that the next day you can to indulge yourself and enjoy some codeine can help get you through. As far as withdrawals I find they're always so much worse when you wake up in bed coming up to 48 and 72 hrs after using. But after getting up (taking care of the necessary toiletry needs ;)) and having a hot shower you feel sooo much better. If you can handle it, do some light exercise (cardio or weights) then go lie in the sun.

Works wonders.

Codeine withdrawals can be ghastly but if you steel yourself and keep positive they really can be manageable. And the great thing is when you do indulge yourself after taking that full 48-72hr break youll be surprised how much your tolerance has lowered in even that small amount of time (when compared to daily use).

And from there commit to never going two days in a row, and taking 72hr breaks occasionally too... and you have a manageable and enjoyable hobby.

And all of a sudden you go back to using codeine as a way to make watching movies (or whatever) more enjoyable, rather than the other way around.
 
Yeah I probably would've tried that tapering down but once the parents get involved it's a whole new story (was early 20s at the time). More damage to my life came through their persecution of my (frankly relatively mild) drug use, that the codeine alone ever caused (my parents are the type who have never touched a cigarette)! A codeine addiction (with the odd dihydrocodeine) really isn't very debilitating as it's affordable, you can still function daily (I even did study + exams while high all the time), and there are no noticeable health repercussions.

I did notice when I did take breaks from codeine, that the withdrawal period was relatively short. Your guts empty themselves (dear oh dear codeine constipation is bad, like trying to crap large marbles) within 30 hours, and you were fine within around 3 days.

Reading a book when I first started codeine CWE was magical. I would literally enter the story and observe it from every angle.
 
canarylove said:
Well congratulations on being a super converter!
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Why thankyou ;)

Sorry, but drug snobbishness really annoys me. I believe that people should be able to indulge in whatever drug they like, it's a personal choice. I think smoking ciggies is worthless; in my eyes, the benefit doesn't outweigh the consequences. But if someone decides to smoke, they must have come to alternate conclusions than me and more power to them for it.

Codeine is addictive but for me, it's a very managable addiction. As BookNerd has said, it's easy to maintain and safer than daily use of most other substances, if you're doing your extractions well. I'm comfortable with my use, and perhaps I'm just lucky, but even after daily use for months and months, I've found the withdrawals very mild.
 
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