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my friend thinks that today's lsd is more potent than the 60's?

On a molecular level LSD does not change its identity of course. But in the 60s LSD was produced by Sandoz which was really pure stuff giving you a super clean trip with crystal clear headspace apparently.
Nowadays LSD is synthesized clandestinely which is not always as succesful so purity may vary. Some impurities can make the trip more electric, speedy or give you a body load as well as cloud the trip making it more fucked up in a way I guess.
For many people getting fucked up is not the goal though, the super clear trip would be preferable for more than one reason I hear.
 
its.euphoric said:
He also said that the government used to use lsd for mental people. I mean, I know I've heard of it being used for mental issues, but I've never heard of it being from the government. That isn't true right?
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The NHS in Britain used it on thousands of patients in mental institutions. The guy ( I cannot recall his name but google Humphrey Osmond & that'll get you started) who was head of the biggest British programme was of the opinion that it harmed not one of his patients and the drug was a useful tool for psychotherapy.
 
you and you other friends take it, then afterwards tell the oddball how awesome it was, should change his mind.
 
I've read the opposite before... The article said that in the 60's there was around 100-200 mics in a hit and today its anywhere from 40-80.... why this is I do not know, but if it's true than that's prettyy messed up, since it costs a hell of a lot more today too!
 
^Not really, inflation's a bitch. Retail has held steady as long as I can remember. The cheapest post early 60's period was probably the nineties.
 
The acid today is nothing like the stuff we got in the late 60s early 70s. Not very good chemical reactors around. unless you work at a pharmaceutical lab. or you know how to make a good one. I hear the meth on the street is the same, Sure its been cut but the problem is the labs 20%. Most Chemists are under lock and key after they graduate and then. they may or maynot produce. If so its a tight net circle {personal use} .
 
The relative purity does vary a good deal though. I'm only 25 so I can't comment on how it was back in the day, but I know I've gotten different qualities of LSD. The cleanest stuff I've had is so fucking sublime. Residual stimulation is little to none and I'll be out of my mind and be perfectly centered and put together. Lesser acid is more hectic and I'm usually left in a weird limbo afterward, not tripping, but definitely not baseline, can't sleep, body's a wreck... And before someone says so, no I'm not confusing lesser acid for DOx etc.
 
swilow said:
Only in amount per dose. LSD is unchanging in potency, and wll always be so.
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yes What goes in must come out. But a Lab is a Mathamatical solution a specific enviornment. If you change an enviornment you can get an unclean Reaction to the molecule .very dangerous. Why was there a difference between Pharm LSD25 and Oswley Owsley made an Enviornment change he had to , Chemical reactors within the Mathamatical solution once in place are hard to move or are they is it the Changing of the Reactor into steps that can cause problems..
 
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Very few things are active at LSD dosage levels. Most of the difference in effects within users across different experiences is due to different subjective/psychological/physical factors during each experience.

Obviously LSD is still the same chemical, but the amount of LSD on an average street level "hit" has gone down considerably since the early 70s
 
its.euphoric said:
He also said that the government used to use lsd for mental people. I mean, I know I've heard of it being used for mental issues, but I've never heard of it being from the government. That isn't true right?
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It was used in some psychotherapy studies, schizophrenia and whatnot... Some degree of success.

There were some government experiments, not sure if they were with mental patients or entirely consenting average people.... a funny video is the british military LSD testing.... They all kind of fail at following orders, fall over giggling, one guy climbs a tree to try and feed the birds....

It was tested for possible "mind control" theories....
 
I honestly think if one had to give a reason as to why lsd (at least in certain forms) was more potent in the past than it is now.... I'd wager to say it has something to do with the time period itself...
It was the fucking 60s man... everyone was all hippied out... wanting to "expand their mind" "tune in drop out"
All that stuff...
I think lsd has a higher place in the counter culture at that time... a much higher place. It prolly wasn't nearly so much about profit as it is now.. sure you still have the occasional oddball now a days that basically wants to give out acid/dose people for free.. but its really rare.
 
I want to dose people for free :( Shit is just too expensive and I can never get my hands on enough of it.
 
biolabear said:
The acid today is nothing like the stuff we got in the late 60s early 70s. Not very good chemical reactors around. unless you work at a pharmaceutical lab. or you know how to make a good one. I hear the meth on the street is the same, Sure its been cut but the problem is the labs 20%. Most Chemists are under lock and key after they graduate and then. they may or maynot produce. If so its a tight net circle {personal use} .
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A test conducted with Sandoz LSD crystal from the 1950s (which apparently did not lose potency) with 70 LSD users experienced with contemporary LSD indicates that the idea that there is a consistent difference between acid then and now is likely a myth. As Syd Barret suggests above, the 1960s was a time much more conducive to social tripping. When that consideration is combined with our tendency to remember the past as far better than it was, the belief seems well accounted for. Apparently good LSD can still be made even with less than ideal precursors.
 
Like many have said, I would tend to believe that the general mind frame which was especially conducive to tripping (think trip settings!) in the 60s and 70s definitely added to the overall experiences of many.
 
Re: qualitative differences, I was wondering how likely it is that some of the acid on the market is LSD analogs (such as AL-LAD, LSM-775 etc.). Has there ever been an analysis finding such a substance in acid?

And depending on how frequently acid is analyzed, whether by law enforcement or by users for quality control (a field test can not tell the difference), it could be plausible that a portion of it consists in fact of analogs that are never identified as such.

For example I've read of a recent batch of Hofmann blotter that has an ALD-52 molecule on the back.
 
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its.euphoric said:
haha yeah...

and he wants to try it but he thinks it will be too strong. Like he will do shrooms but not lsd. I think maybe we could convince him to do a half of one.
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you shouldnt be convincing anyone to do anything that you yourself know very little about and have no experience in
your friend should not feel pressured by anyone to put anything in his/her body
they will consume if and when they are ready

research

its reasons like this why drugs are illegal (among many others)
people should never be peer pressured into making irresponsable choices
 
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