my friend thinks that today's lsd is more potent than the 60's?

[its.euphoric]

I don't think it's true, and he thinks it will "fuck you up more". I tried telling him that it's the same, but he doesn't really know anything about lsd and thinks it will mess you up or something.

He also said that the government used to use lsd for mental people. I mean, I know I've heard of it being used for mental issues, but I've never heard of it being from the government. That isn't true right?

How do I convince him that we should all try it... (there's like a small group of us and most of us want to except him. And how to make him not htink it's gonna mess him up or whatever.

Oh yeah... how much actually lsd do you ingest when you take a pill. I know it's a really small amount but how much is it compared to like.. a drop of water.

 

[bonsaikitten]

^ My understanding is that the government did organise tests with LSD on people. I think I do remember reading about them testing LSD on mental patients, however I don't have any sources of evidence on that. I do know, however, that the CIA organised testing of LSD and possibly other drugs on a number of people including soldiers, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUufwX-wYkY&feature=fvsr <-- neurosoup video. yeah, not very accurate but I'm lazy and if anyone has more credible sources, please post XD

I know little about the change in potency over the years but I think the general consesus is that nowdays it is weaker. I've heard others, however, say that it is the same or stronger because it is cleaner now. I don't really know. Either way, I don't think it has much correlation in respect to your chances of 'getting more fucked up'. Acid was acid in the 1960s and it is still acid now. I just think there has been more negative press since then, which has leant to the overall negative view of acid held by the general public.

And it depends how much acid is on the pill? You'll have a fuck of a hard time finding out the exact amount but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be more than 200 ugs at the most. But the amount in comparison to a drop of water really isn't all that relevant - LSD is a potent substance, active in very small doses. If you want some idea, 1 ug is one thousandth of a miligram. Or one millionth of a gram.

Also, I don't think you should try to 'convince' him to try LSD. I'm of the opinion that it isn't really 'for everyone' as you say. Some people just don't like the thought of having no, or limited, control over themselves/their minds/their bodies. If he is interested in trying psychedelics, however, and is still having reservations, point him at erowid or possibly even this site for information.

I thought I should add, also, that there is always a small risk of getting 'fucked up'. As there is a risk associated with taking a shower, eating a cheeseburger or driving to the store - there are risks with LSD use as well. These include conditions such as schizophrenia and HPPD. It is a very small risk, obviously, but I personally think it is important to know of these risks so that you can assess them and, based upon this assessment, come to an informed and rational decision.

 

[CashewXD]

i would guess that there's a possibility that it would be more potent than in the 60's what with current scientific advancements. seems plausible.

 

[nopipesdfw]

i would guess that there's a possibility that it would be more potent than in the 60's what with current scientific advancements. seems plausible.

Molecules don't change over time. Same stuff. (Except nowadays there is actually less LSD on average per dose on the street, much less. You won't be finding 300 mic orange barrels or sunshine caps.)

 

[its.euphoric]

^ My understanding is that the government did organise tests with LSD on people. I think I do remember reading about them testing LSD on mental patients, however I don't have any sources of evidence on that. I do know, however, that the CIA organised testing of LSD and possibly other drugs on a number of people including soldiers, etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUufwX-wYkY&feature=fvsr <-- neurosoup video. yeah, not very accurate but I'm lazy and if anyone has more credible sources, please post XD

I know little about the change in potency over the years but I think the general consesus is that nowdays it is weaker. I've heard others, however, say that it is the same or stronger because it is cleaner now. I don't really know.

And it depends how much acid is on the pill? You'll have a fuck of a hard time finding out the exact amount but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be more than 200 ugs at the most. But the amount in comparison to a drop of water really isn't all that relevant - LSD is a potent substance, active in very small doses. If you want some idea, 1 ug is one thousandth of a miligram. Or one millionth of a gram.

Also, I don't think you should try to 'convince' him to try LSD. I'm of the opinion that it isn't really 'for everyone' as you say. Some people just don't like the thought of having no, or limited, control over themselves/their minds/their bodies. If he is interested in trying psychedelics, however, and is still having reservations, point him at erowid or possibly even this site for information.

ok well I think he's really cool... and we go to a small school and I think it would really awesome if the 4 of us all did lsd together. Like, I think it could be sort of... idk like a bonding experince or something lol. cuz we see each other at school all the time and it would suck if all of us except him did it, you know what I mean?

 

[bonsaikitten]

Yes, I do understand what you mean and I can understand your motives for encouraging him to participate. But if he really is uninterested, I don't advise that you push it. If he shows some indication of wanting to give it a go, just suggest that he take half a tab or something to see how he likes that.

 

[nopipesdfw]

ok well I think he's really cool... and we go to a small school and I think it would really awesome if the 4 of us all did lsd together. Like, I think it could be sort of... idk like a bonding experince or something lol. cuz we see each other at school all the time and it would suck if all of us except him did it, you know what I mean?

I see what you mean but don't pressure him. If he spews any bullshit, correct it in a kind way. Don't do anything past that or you're the one that's wrong IMO.

 

[.Felix.]

From my understanding it is less potent... at least when it comes to blotter. Many of the older blotters had higher levels of LSD on them compared too now days cheap blotters. Dont get me wrong though, there is some strong blotter out there.


But overall I think what your friend is saying about it being more potent is comparable to Marijuana today and the comment on it being more potent than before. Yes and No... It all depends on the product. Same molecule as everyone says. You dont hear people say:

Today's Vodka is more potent than yesterday's!

 

[its.euphoric]

Today's Vodka is more potent than yesterday's!

haha yeah...

and he wants to try it but he thinks it will be too strong. Like he will do shrooms but not lsd. I think maybe we could convince him to do a half of one.

 

[TAYisWhatItis]

if it is any help i tripped for 10 hours on halloween off 1/2 a small blotter that had been stored in a film container for a year. I had always heard LSD looses potency over time especially on paper so i started with half (i figure you can always take more...not less haha) had an amazing journey very euphoric, visual and introspective

 

[its.euphoric]

if it is any help i tripped for 10 hours on halloween off 1/2 a small blotter that had been stored in a film container for a year. I had always heard LSD looses potency over time especially on paper so i started with half (i figure you can always take more...not less haha) had an amazing journey very euphoric, visual and introspective

See that's exactly what I want... something really special and introspective. Like I've read so much about how lsd changes you.. like you see the world differently and stuff, and I just want to experience that and understand what people mean.

 

[delta_9]

Molecules don't change over time. Same stuff. (Except nowadays there is actually less LSD on average per dose on the street, much less. You won't be finding 300 mic orange barrels or sunshine caps.)

Beat me to it. Lsd is lsd, and at a molecular level it cannot change in any way or else it would no longer be lsd.
Synthesis techniques may get sloppier and individual doses may contain less, but if one was to isolate an lsd molecule from any random sample from the 60's and one from today there would be no difference.

 

[bonsaikitten]

See that's exactly what I want... something really special and introspective. Like I've read so much about how lsd changes you.. like you see the world differently and stuff, and I just want to experience that and understand what people mean.

How many times have you tripped in the past? Where were you?

 

[its.euphoric]

I've never done it... lol. That's why I was saying I want to do it so I understand what people are saying and stuff.

Do you mean... like tripped on other stuff? or what

 

[bonsaikitten]

Ohhhh. haha. Ok! I see now. I thought you had done it which was why you wanted this other guy to as well. I see. So you want him to pop his acid cherry with you?

Also - when I first got interested in psychedelics, I wanted to trip on shrooms. Then a lot of people told me that an acid trip was actually easier to handle and clearer than a mushroom trip. I've never tried mushrooms so I can't say if this is true in my case, but I'd say that if this guy is willing to try (or has already done) mushrooms, then acid really isn't much different in terms of the risks, and is possibly an easier trip, too.

 

[swilow]

I don't think it's true, and he thinks it will "fuck you up more". I tried telling him that it's the same, but he doesn't really know anything about lsd and thinks it will mess you up or something.

LSD is a single molecule; it can't change and still be LSD.

He also said that the government used to use lsd for mental people. I mean, I know I've heard of it being used for mental issues, but I've never heard of it being from the government. That isn't true right?

It was used by the CIA- look into MK Ultra or the novel "Storming Heaven". A lot of mentally ill people were adminstered pschedelics n the late 50's and early 60's....Read a bit about Humphrey Osmond and Ken Kesey.

How do I convince him that we should all try it... (there's like a small group of us and most of us want to except him. And how to make him not htink it's gonna mess him up or whatever.

Well, just point out it is not neurotoxic, is virtually mpossble to OD on, and doesn't actually alter any chemical levels in the brain; it bascally replaces serotonin, but doesn't release it, like MDMA and related drugs do.

Oh yeah... how much actually lsd do you ingest when you take a pill. I know it's a really small amount but how much is it compared to like.. a drop of water.

Its unlkely you'll get a pill with LSD in it; if you do, be cautous, as it is likely to be another substance.

Comparing it to a drop of water is impossble; but its about the size of a grain of sugar.

 

[Eldaren]

100 micrograms is probably quite a bit less than a grain of sugar.

1 gram = 1000 milligrams
1 milligram = 1000 micrograms

1000 micrograms is a huge dose of lsd.

 

[its.euphoric]

ok thanks guys for all the info.

 

[swilow]

100 micrograms is probably quite a bit less than a grain of sugar.

1 gram = 1000 milligrams
1 milligram = 1000 micrograms

1000 micrograms is a huge dose of lsd.

I wasn't referring to the measuring term "grain". A speck of caster sugar could weigh 100ug.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Molecules don't change over time. Same stuff. (Except nowadays there is actually less LSD on average per dose on the street, much less. You won't be finding 300 mic orange barrels or sunshine caps.)

+1 I haven't had any L over the past few years but I had some a few years ago and it was a lot weaker than the very strong windowpane I had as a teenager. I have no idea how many ug were in the windowpane but it was quite intense at a ++++ experience.

I have friends who actually did take LSD in the 60s and they said how it was a lot stronger dose wise than what's out there nowadays.