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My Experience with the JWH Compounds

ShaggyFin

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I first discovered the JWH compounds in highschool while on probation. Before K2 became popular (when Salvia was the big new "thing" )I was on probation and I had heard about blend in Europe known as "Spice" blends, and I had also heard that you could smoke them without failing a drug test. When I was younger I was really into discovering something that was "like weed" (which only led me to discovering that though some things may be "euphoric, sedatives" and though they may BOOST the effects of weed when used together... Nothing was actually "like weed"... Nothing NATURAL anyways. I had tried many many different plants, including: Kava, Kanna, Kratom, etc. (which are all valuable in their own ways, but are not a replacement for cannabis) but nothing seemed to be similar to marijuana. So I did some research on these spice blends and discovered that the ACTUAL thing getting you high wasn't herbal at all, it was a lab made PURE chemical, sprayed in small doses onto leaf material. So I decided to order a sample of this chemical (It was legal at the time, but I believe it is federally illegal to sell openly to the public now) and try it for myself. I received 1 gram in the mail, and tested it out.

The first one I got was JWH-018. The first time I tried it, it was like my first time smoking weed again. It was amazing, and while you smoke it, you really feel like it feels like weed (until you have plenty of weed, then weed just seems so much better).
I was on probation so I decided to buy more. Soon I was going through about a gram a week. Once I got off probation I stopped smoking it and went back to good old mary j.

Then I moved to Denton and started smoking what most people would call: "a lot" of it. Like a gram in 4-5 days, because I wasn't in my home town and all I could find were $20/g of dank, which isn't always affordable. This is when I tried JWH-250 which I felt like was the same as JWH-018, but realized it was a lot lighter and easier for new smokers to handle, but it still feels like your first time smoking weed the first time you smoke it, even if you have had JWH-018 before.
During this time I saw a lot of people reach their "Breaking Point". I reached mine in my first 1 or 2 grams. What happened to me is: My body locked up and I had to lay on my bed for about 45 minutes. I had been using my laptop previous to laying down, but it made me nauseas to do anything but lay still. Even moving my arm the slightest bit made me feel sick. But once it's over it never happens again.
I've seen other people lock up and have to lay down. One girl thought it had only been like 15 minutes, when in reality like 2 hrs had passed while she starred at the floor.
Another kid vomited all night while I switched out trash bags for him.
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My theory on what is happening is, there have been tests that showed heavy JWH usage EXPANDS and THICKENS your CB1 and CB2 receptors. So I think what the pain and locking up is, is your brain dealing with the fact that a section of it is having tremendous instant growth. And it hurts.

Then I moved to California, and believe it or not it was kinda hard to find weed. We were working all day at an avocado factory, and it was an hour away so 2 extra hrs were spent driving, and that was when traffic was good (we lived like 45 minutes outside LA to the East and worked right outside San Diego). And the weed was not very well priced, so I started buying cannabinoids again.

This time I got REAL bad with it though. It was cheaper than marijuana. And with JWH you only have to take like 0.005g on a scale (5mg) for STRONG effects (unless you start using a lot, then 0.005g lasts you like 5 minutes before you want more). So I was buying it about once a week and getting 2, 1/8ths at a time. And I was smoking a gram a day between me and 1 other room mate (The 3rd room mate didn't smoke it), which is heavier usage than I have ever even read about. But even at these doses we were able to not only function, but go to work and visit family regularly (my roommates mom lived pretty close, and she was the one renting us the house). The main down side is, marijuana never really gets you as high ever again. It's still awesome, but you have to have previously truly loved marijuana or you may lose interest.

I believe these chemicals are illegal for public trade now. Tell me if I'm wrong, but just a word of caution. Don't seek these things out if they are illegal.
 
I think you misunderstand, 'trip report' is a term for any experience with any drug, taking notes of its effects on you, how you feel about it and so on. At least on this board.
 
I think you misunderstand, 'trip report' is a term for any experience with any drug, taking notes of its effects on you, how you feel about it and so on. At least on this board.

Then that makes more sense I guess. But Cannabis isn't in here, so I just thought Cannabinoids would go somewhere else too... It makes sense though now.
 
good thing you didn't try am2201, wow was that hard to stop...

I DID try AM-2201

So I was living with some dudes, and had been talking to a couple girls on CouchSurfing, and they had stayed over once, and they wanted to chill again...

The whole night prior we did line after line of an RC related to MDMA, and very similar to Coc. And I was to the point of like mental overload. Delayed responses, my body and mind would lock/freeze up for 2-3 minutes at a time, and I was slower in general at moving, talking and everything.

But these girls wanted to chill, and I was starting to feel better, as I had done WAYY less MD during that day, than we had the night before. So I got in a car with him, and went to chill. We checked the mail on the way out, and had received a G of what the vendor said was "A Cannabinoid 4x stronger than JWH"...
(They gave us a specific name, but I don't want to share the name OR change my whole story to say "SWIM did ...")
On the way we stopped at the gas station and I threw up out the door...Bad sign...But my friend got me a gatorade, asked if I wanted to go home, and we continued on...
So we got to where the girls were, and they wanted us to hike up a hill (mountain in Tx terms) to go drink some liquor/smoke some weed with them. We did, and brought the "Cannabinoid" with us...

We all started drinking, and they pulled out some bud...I said "I have this stuff."
Showed it to them and told them what it was...
We loaded some on top of some bud, and started smoking and talking...
After a while we decided to go back to the car, and chilled in there for a while, smoked and drank some more...

After a couple hours of chillen in the car, not driving anywhere, fuckin around in a car... We decided to go home until another night.
By this time my mind had been completely cleared and I was no longer locking up or anything.

It was about 6am, and on the way home we hit RUSH HOUR, bumper to bumper morning traffic(near LA)...

My friends kept getting WAAAAAYYY to close to the cars in front of us, almost hitting them. We smoked some more of the Cannabinoid and continued through the traffic though.

Finally I said "Don't get so close to him, you're going to hit him."
But he just gave me a look that said "Whatever, I know how to drive."
Not 10 seconds later he hits the guy.
I start sayin, "Man you're fucked, this is the third time in 2 months ya'll did this, and you still don't have anything registered, OR a license or anything."
Then the guy in front of us got out of his car, and my friend looked at me, eyes huge, and FROZE.

The man came to the window, and tried talking to him, but he just looked at him like a deer in the headlights, and said not a single word. Just went blank, and froze.

I reached across him, and rolled his window down with the crank. And said "Hey I'm sorry..."
The guy cut me off and said, "There's no damage."
And I said "So just trade info?"
And he said "If you want?"
And I said "I'm good" and he went back to his car



So my friend was frozen and I tried to ask him "Can you drive"
No answer...
Just a blank stare...
Then he started to convulse.

His body just went stiff like a board, and his eyes rolled back in his head.
He shook violently, and I knew there was NO fuckin way he could drive...

So I started trying to move him to the passenger seat, but he fought me, must have thought someone was forcing the seizure on him, and thought fighting me would stop it all...

But finally I got him where his back half of his body was in the back seat, and his legs were only kinda in the driver seat, so I got in the driver seat, and took the car out of park, but it wouldn't work.

Over and over P, D, P, D, P, D. Nothing, it just wouldn't work...

Everyone around me is honking at this point (bumper to bumper traffic) And people are on there cell phones looking at me, and talking excitedly, I can only assume to police.

I finally turn the car off with the keys, then back on.
Then From P, to D and it FINALLY works.
And I finally get my friend into the passenger seat. Still convulsing and shaking, with his eyes rolled back...

I start to drive, and the guy in the car next to me is just REALLY close, on his phone, looking at me, talking like SUPER excited.
I get scared that he is calling the police and I mouth to the guy "He's having a seizure." and point at my friend. While doing this I ran into the car in front of me. Which at this time is a whole new car, and guy different from last time...

So the guy pulls up next to me, while we're still driving and rolls down his window, and is like violently yelling "Pull over"
I try to tell him, "He is having a seizure."
But he yells "Whatever" and tells me to pull over again.

So I pull over, and he sits in his car for a good minute. Finally I signal to him, "come on" and yelled "He is HAVING A SEIZURE".

He walks to the back of his car to check for damage, and finally comes over to the passenger window.
By this time my friends is the same as described before but is NOW throwing up all over his own chest.

So the guys is like "Oh"
And I'm like "Yeah...I'm from Tx I don't know ANYTHING about this place, WHERE is the hospital."
He says "The next exit is a pretty major road, just drive down it and there should be a hospital up there."

So I take the exit feeling as if he is calling the police as I drive away...
THEN I see a sheriff parked at the top of the exit, but he wasn't there for me...

I feel as if I'm being set up, and decide against following that road and TOO try to find a safe gas station and ask about a hospital. So I take a left and kinda follow the highway from the said.

I keep putting my hand on my friends chest, to make sure he is breathing.
After a while he becomes conscious enough to respond by taking deep breathes to signal "Yes, I can breath" whenever I put my hand to ask "Are you breathing?".

Finally he begins to mumble something, and I tell him to "Hold that thought. Do we need to go to the hospital, or do you want to go home."
He has some hard to understand responses, but finally says clearly "Go home".

So I stayed off the highway so that IF anyone WAS calling the cops earlier, we didn't get fucked with.

So finally he begins to come to. And at a stoplight opens his door, and starts to get out of the car. I grabbed him and pulled him back in saying "What the fuck!!" (Later he said, he had thought he had murdered someone, and was going to run for it.)

Finally he asked a question...
"Who's car is this, and who are you?" he asked
I told him, "It's your brothers, and I'm your room mate I live with you guys."

Then I asked him"Do you know where you are?"
He said "No"
I said "Do you know what state?"
He said "No"
I told him where we were, city and everything.
Then he asked "Where were we last night?"
I told him "Drinking with ..."
He said "What just happened?"

I described it to him, and at the end he said...
"Wait, so what happened?"

And I told him again.
At the end he said
"I'm sorry if I asked you this already. But how did that happen?" Meaning he had forgotten the whole beginning, and probably most of the end.

Then when we got home, I finally described it to him again and it stuck....




In the morning he went to his sisters house, shaved his head, and became Christian (again).

AND, we found out that next day, that at the SAME EXACT TIME. His grandma had a seizure also.
 
Then that makes more sense I guess. But Cannabis isn't in here, so I just thought Cannabinoids would go somewhere else too... It makes sense though now.

Weed reports do go in trip reports too, you just don't see many of them because it's like someone writing a trip report about alcohol or tobacco, there usually isn't anything out of the norm going on that you want to write to all your friends about.

That said I'm sure there are many reports for weed here still, especially first times, and "overdose" experiences where someone smoked way too much.

The experience you talked about of getting stuck and having to lay down can happen with weed too, it's simply due to smoking too much, which is why it tends to only happen initially before tolerance builds. If you measure your doses properly you can avoid it ever happening at all.

As for why it happens more with these than weed? Most/all of these are full agonists at the CB1 and CB2 receptors, THC itself is only a partial agonist, they're noticeably stronger cannabinoids than THC is - but also, they're a lot harder to dose. If people were smoking pure THC then they'd have the same problem and "overdose" and have these unpleasant experiences a lot, but because you have to smoke several hundred milligrams to get a decent dose of THC most of the time, rather than a handful of milligrams, it's much easier to dose it and not suddenly dose too high.

A lot of people get confused about this because many people find the synthetic cannabinoids somehow lacking compared to THC, so assume they're weaker - in reality that's more likely due to the fact that Cannabis contains a huge mix of cannabinoids, terpenes etc whereas a synthetic cannabinoid is just one substance, often largely selective for either CB1 or CB2.
 
The experience you talked about of getting stuck and having to lay down can happen with weed too, it's simply due to smoking too much, which is why it tends to only happen initially before tolerance builds. If you measure your doses properly you can avoid it ever happening at all.


A lot of people get confused about this because many people find the synthetic cannabinoids somehow lacking compared to THC, so assume they're weaker - in reality that's more likely due to the fact that Cannabis contains a huge mix of cannabinoids, terpenes etc whereas a synthetic cannabinoid is just one substance, often largely selective for either CB1 or CB2.

I don't think I'll ever have to worry about this happening. I smoke weed all day :D

I get what you are saying about the lock-up thought. I've never had it happen with weed, but I guess it IS totally possible. And I noticed that, people feel like the synthetics don't get them as high while I felt like I was getting blazed like a mother fucker.
 
For the sake of differing opinion, I found JWH-18 to be the closest thing to tripping of a cannabinoid material, ever. I definitely had color enhancement and visual distortions that was above and beyond nearly all organic cannabis. I don't think most people here consider 'tripping' to be limited to just the visual/hallucinations...in fact most 'hallucinogens' do not make you hallucinate; colors, distortions, movement yes, but hallucinations...only at extreme dosages (outside DMT). But if that is how you qualify it...JWH-18 was the most trippy thing in this category of substance....at least as far as what I have sampled.
 
For the sake of differing opinion, I found JWH-18 to be the closest thing to tripping of a cannabinoid material, ever. I definitely had color enhancement and visual distortions that was above and beyond nearly all organic cannabis. I don't think most people here consider 'tripping' to be limited to just the visual/hallucinations...in fact most 'hallucinogens' do not make you hallucinate; colors, distortions, movement yes, but hallucinations...only at extreme dosages (outside DMT). But if that is how you qualify it...JWH-18 was the most trippy thing in this category of substance....at least as far as what I have sampled.

I never had color distortion or any of those qualities. I just felt really high.

This is hilarious :D

I just found old trip reports of mine from when I FIRST stated trying RCs :D Here's my JWH one, lol.

Ok, So first off I have a description of what this is. It was invented by someone with the initials JW with the "intention" off saturating the cannibinoid receptors so they could be veiwed on a x ray. And it does hit your cannabinoid receptor. So anyways recently I found out that they use it as a bonsai feralizer, and that it really works. So here's a description of what happened to my bonsai when I fertilized it.
So the first time I fertilized it I just put about 2mg on top of leaf material, and an experience similar to some very dank/good fertilizer, it lasted about 30 minutes.
I will post more, and I already have more experiences with fertilizing my bonsai. I already have used about 50mg today. I got 500mg from an online vendor, this is very cheap and very similar to the best fertilizer experiences, like one of your first times again, maybe even moreso.
 
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