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ziggo

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In order to reach your highest high, you must first let go of all pain. In order to let go of all your pain you must be able to have unconditional forgiveness and unconditional acceptance of everything/anything that happens to you or you do. Also you must know without a doubt that any negative emotion/thought/feeling can be perceived as neutral and not negative.

As well learn to love yourself completely and fully for who you are and where you are in your life. When you can do all of these things you will be able to stop thinking negative about a negative action instantly, in the moment it happens. You can forgive the person who did it to you and you can accept it and move on instantly. This moving on will cause you to be able to experience the greatest positive feelings/thoughts/emotions that VERY NEXT MOMENT. Just one second of neutral every now and then. If you would have invested in that negative thing you'd still be spending your time/energy/stress thinking about it in the next moments and are losing out on possible bliss.

When you do this I believe your twin flame and your soul mate will come into your life. Your twin flame will be the most intense friendship you'll ever share with someone. Your soul mate will be the most intense relationship/sexual lover you'll ever experience. Or perhaps your soul mate is actually your twin flame, but you meet them as the flame because one of you loves yourself completely and the other doesn't yet, so you help each other to love self and each other fully then you become soul mates. Eventually you and your soul mate will merge into one spirit/soul for the rest of eternity and finally feel completely full and one again.

Questions? <3
 
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If hard drug addiction taught me anything, it's that you CAN gain those types of highs from inside yourself, the way of the heart(intuition). The way of the mind(deception) convinces you that love/pleasure/bliss is only found in outside sources (ie. drugs) and every time you do them it reinforces this belief. Once you find your inner peace & love, all the outside sources will perfectly align with your innermost desires.

The mind tells itself that if you follow your heart you won't get what you desire. But really you will, it just might take longer. The right way is the long way and the long way is the high way.
 
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I've never been laid in the first place, or have I? But this is how I have gained comfort with everything. You're blowing my mind up or am I blowing my own?
 
I was just messing around because it sounded like you met a soulmate or a twin flame, did you?
Yeah I like the idea because it's basically the foundation of confidence, which tends to help people get laid and be happy and successful and comfortable in their own skin and numerous other health benefits.
The deficiency of confidence seems so rampant amongst druggies that coming to realizations like "All I need to do is love myself" shouldn't be that hard to figure out, but is hard to practice.

You are right though, the long way is the best way. Not necessarily too long, mind you, actually it shouldn't even be described as long, it's whatever adequate length way you need to carry out your pursuit of happiness throughout life.
I just got done working out somewhat significantly harder than I have in the past long while and I'm feeling better already and I want to do more. That's one confidence builder/happiness booster.
 
hell yes! I'm living this experience so far, when I finally cracked my heroin addiction and knew myself to love myself fully and completely, plus practice the ideas I've preached. That is when this girl showed up in my life. She has been the strongest attraction I've yet to encounter so I believe she is my twin flame, but I can tell she doesn't fully love herself yet. So I must help myself to help her to love herself fully and then I'll see what becomes of it and inform this topic. <3
 
Ziggo
Just one second of neutral every now and then.
into another of zen in now.


hmm, maybe there becomes a Love-Child of sorts ...


you know, IDK, just a thought maybe - or a creation of thought.
i mean if you can neutralize time, you wouldnt know you have in the preexisting place, so to recognize another would then to be recognizing maybe only yourself as a mergence into one, to complete one-of-self into another; and so on.

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Ziggo:
Questions? <3

i cant question this, only add to what i took from.


<3
 
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Do you think we have just one soul-mate?

In my experience I think we may have several, but sometimes the timing for your union together isn't right for both of you..
 
^Yeah I would agree to that. There are definitely "types" of people, most of those types might not be good for you, but some are. Not to say everyone that falls within the loose term of "your type" is going to be your soulmate, or even your friend, but that seems to be where the most fertile ground is for any one individual.
 
Do you think we have just one soul-mate?

In my experience I think we may have several, but sometimes the timing for your union together isn't right for both of you..

If the timing isn't right just have patience and keep them as a friend, then the possibility is still open.
 
I disagree with the entirety of this thread. Finding a soul-mate shouldn't have anything to do with spiritual development. If anything, learning about yourself and the universe should reveal that inter-personal relationships, such as those mentioned above, are largely detrimental to maintaining spirituality.

I'm sure many will disagree, so I'm interested to hear your retorts...
 
If one succumbs to the common pitfalls that romantic entanglement can cause, then sure it'd be detrimental to one's spirituality, but isn't the idea of a soulmate a unique type of romantic relationship? I would think that a person who is truly your soulmate, and not simply someone you call your significant other, wouldn't hinder you in any way in that regard.
 
There is no way for someone suffering from REAL depression to just let go of all pain. I agree to you that this might work in some way for healthy persons.

Dude I was depressed heavily for around 3-4years and then I started a heroin addiction half because of that and half because of a bad trip. I stayed addicted for around 7months and that just made my depression worse. My first stay in detox I pretty much told myself to change my mind-set and make these changes even though I didn't know how to explain the changes in words the meaning was the same as what I typed in the first post. After living this way for about a month my depression cleared and I don't ever stress over anything, anymore.
 
I would think that a person who is truly your soulmate, and not simply someone you call your significant other, wouldn't hinder you in any way in that regard.

Do you really think there is that type of person 'out there' somewhere?
 
Karma makes you experience whatever experiences you are supposed to based on your past negative/positive choices of how to felt during these experiences. So maybe we never have control where we move or how we move or what activity we are actually doing. But our free will is what allows us to choose to feel positive or negative and HOW MUCH SO during everything we have to do in life. How positive or negative you experience every moment actually changes what your future moments will become. It works like this when we are reincarnated in this life/body you're in now all the possible moments and experiences you can have are already known and projected in space/time as the karma force. None of them are for certain, but every moment you feel this or that negative/positive you are changing the course and path of where you're going to go and what you are going to do in life.

Don't worry or panic about this if it is true, for I had gained PTSD from my salvia trip and these thoughts are what caused me to cure myself from it. Also you never have to experience any thought/feeling/emotion as negative if accept that it is what has to happen to you and you forgive yourself for making your present self have to feel this way, if you live and act on both these things in that moment you will MAKE that negative into a neutral. When you turn it neutral you are actually stopping yourself from gaining negative karma, and also you are ending the process of obsessing about this negative thing and spending time/energy/stress thinking about it. Now any positive thoughts/feelings/emotions you have to experience from these karmic forces you can fully enjoy because you earned them based on doing good/positive things in your past and isn't that nice? This is the path to destroying all your karma and not having to reincarnate again, if you want, for once you can do this you have almost, or have experienced every possible emotion (compassion, happiness, forgiveness, etc) and have learned about them as much as you need to in order to spiritually evolve.

I actually believe now that every man made law that restricts or takes power/privileges from one person/group and gives them to another is inherently evil as it is a form of slavery. Most people in control of making/keeping these laws are actually evil enough people that dimensional beings who live one dimension higher then us give these evil people advanced technology in order to manipulate and control the mass population. These evil beings know the truth about our dimension, how our universe started, who we are, how stuff came to be and keep it from us in order to keep us feeling and BELIEVING in the negatives we feel, because these negative human thoughts/feelings/emotions are what give them their strength and energy and maybe even keep them alive.

You see we as humans are actually from something like ten dimensions higher then even these evil beings and we only regressed down the dimensions in order to gain a better understanding of our emotions. The only way to gain world peace is to have total freedom. The only way to gain total freedom is to destroy all forms of slavery today. The only way to destroy all forms of slavery is to know the truth and to spread it to everyone in the world.

For as you've heard before "The truth will set you free" Not just from slavery but from evil and from EVERYTHING that can possibly restrict your freedom from being complete and total freedom. 8o
 
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Also learn to have your only motivation in life be the act/art/gift of knowing what your inner love is and how to spread that inner love to others in a helpful and joyful way. People who have their motivation to do things as greed, lust, desires, the egos wants, anything selfish in nature really, will never be able to reach this higher high. Spread the inner love that is a very real, powerful part of you, that is selfless in nature. You'll eventually get what you desire, because the heart in all of us desire the same thing(Truth, compassion, trust, honesty, love of another, love of yourself, comfort, contentment, reassurance/knowing you're doing the right thing, etc) and you'll only get higher and higher.

Death is also an illusion, people only die because they have kept a hold of their pain for way too long and have let their pain control them and dictate their heart & lives. If you have the will to live you will keep living, no matter what kind of pain you are in. Most people lose the will to live as they are subject to keeping this pain and just reinforcing the value of it because it gives them some sort of sick reassurance that they are normal and everyone is meant to feel pain and complain about it. Once you learn the truth of the matter is when you can gain immortality. Only giving it up to change your body if you so desire when the time comes to choose where you wish to go in the universe.
 
Now the thing about relationships I've come to realize is that if it doesn't last your whole life you don't even have to cause pain to each other from the duration or the break up. The way to do this is to always communicate to the best of both of your abilities in regard to what you want out of each sexual/casual encounter and when one of you feels like your love for the other or your connection/closeness(attractions) has increased you should express to them this and how much it has increased if possible, also do so for decreases in attraction value.

The only way I've seen people get heart broken is from their expectations/desires of their partner being destroyed simply because they invested their heart into feeling that way before they communicated it, and then the partner suddenly tells them they don't feel anything close to that way about them, this feels like your heart has been betrayed but the wounds of denial are self-inflicted! You can't love your partner too hard, or too much, you must love each other equally always if you wish to never cause any form of pain to one another. The goal here is that once you both love yourselves fully then equally loving one another will become the most you can possibly feel love and all you need then is to keep that level of love for more and more moments everyday to feel insane amounts of bliss/highs constantly.

(general harmony)(emotional harmony)(mental harmony)(sexual harmony)
(spiritual harmony)(friendship)
These are all the attraction types you can gain/have/keep with another person/spirit/soul what have you. The first four are what you need, at least some of in order to have a solid relationship. Keep in mind that in order to fully love each other you must keep working to have those first four things fully and completely whereas you are ALWAYS comfortable with your partner in those aspects and never have any anxiety/depression over them. Now I also believe those last two aren't necessary but when you have them as well fully in each other THAT is who your soul mate is. Your soul mate is simply the only person in the world or at least one of the persons but the only one you have gotten close enough to so far that you can feel all six of these ways of being with. This in turn will make you realize that yes this person/spirit is the one who I can EASILY see myself spending not just this life, but eternity with and I'd go so far as to have the intense desire to merge our souls together for this other soul completes mine totally and makes me FINALLY feel FULL. To feel full forever and never have any thought of lacking anything that isn't positive/needed to evolve and gain whatever it is you want to out of this and every moment from here on out! Because what you both want will be exactly what you'll get and it will be the greatest journey/high you'll never be able to imagine until you experience it.

Anyways don't take any of my words for it. I'm just a dude who vowed to change my mindset and my ways to spread my inner love. This has caused me to over the last few months, cure my anxiety, existential questions/fears and a multiple year long off and on depression. If hard drug addiction taught me anything, it's that you CAN gain those types of drug induced highs from inside yourself, the way of the heart. The way of the minds obsessions and desires/cravings/addictions convinces you that love/pleasure/bliss is only found in outside sources (example: drugs & material possessions) and every time you do them/acquire more it reinforces this belief. Once you find your inner love & peace, all the outside sources you wanted so badly before but couldn't get certain ones will now perfectly align with your innermost desires and you'll be able to get them without having to be a slave to the addiction aspect you're used to using/thought you had to use.

Material things and technology is evil is nature because they cause us humans to become more anti-social thinking we need these things. WE REALLY think/feel we need these things because that is how the evil forces that control everything wanted us to think/feel about them. For example our basic needs are food/water, shelter, & comfort correct? How do we get any of these in this society/system? With the use of money. We need to have a material car so badly just to get to most of our jobs that this car because not a want but a need. We need the job, we need the food/water by using money, we need the shelter by using money and stressing about it over long-term plans. Comfort is simply clothes which are also controlled by money. Money is a form of enslavement so it must be evil as well. Back before evil forces corrupted our innocence we were totally free and had no obligations we had to do or any job we had to worry/stress about. We simply had all the time to socialize, practice our psychic abilities, meditate to gain highs, and perhaps even fly/control the materials of the earth with our minds like a sort of telekinetic power. Now I'm not sure about that last one but it seems possible with what I know.

The only way I see to demolish all these systems and slavery aspects of the societies in our world is either to have enough or maybe everyone learn the truths about them and how they manipulate and control us. Or perhaps just have a few willing souls to be so different to the systems, that just being near them will create massive amounts of havoc, and change the order of these systems to something manageable until it is taken apart piece by piece. The key knowledge here is that you CANNOT change any system/law/government from inside of it, their are many good/positive nature people in these areas that want to change things they see, are apart of for the better but by being a part of it they are essentially gaining a biased view about what needs to be done within the system, not that it's all bullshit in total, because that can't be it means I wouldn't have my government job anymore!! :!

The evil forces in these systems have so much knowledge that they will mislead the population into thinking a new or third party, or really any person in the system is the one that can save the masses and make the changes they really desire. This is an illusion for that person in the system is also controlled by the evil forces, or if it really is a good person then the system and it's aspects always knows it's not possible for the good person to gain any real power or win this election, but it gives false hope to the masses. All these labels and splitting of "power in the system" is only a ruse to conjure up even more negative and disagreements between the masses, so the evil doesn't even need to fight, the population will fight itself about shit that doesn't even matter effectively wasting their time/energy/thoughts so they won't have time to think about how to really change shit.

Man if I couldn't get all the kids in middle school to start a food fight, how on earth will I change the minds and ways of everyone in the world? I believe it is from these two truths. Any total truth no matter how small will resonate and stick in positive peoples minds and they will eventually see/believe it as their truth because it's so real that they can't deny how attractive this change/thought would be bring amount. The 2nd thing is that positive thoughts/feelings/emotions are VASTLY stronger in terms of energy level then any evil/negative thing. This massive change in energy is what enables one very positive person to manipulate and destroy possibly 10-20-30 negative evil peoples ideals and prospects. So I really don't have to convince the whole world, only enough people in it that the positive level overall starts to beat the negative and that will bring about the change into world peace/total freedom that I REALLY DESIRE. The amount of negativity in the world total is very high, many people are insanely more negative about all aspects of themselves and the world they choose to accept. But the times are changing and I see more and more people coming to realize that they too can be a very immense positive force that will change more then just themselves but change everything to a way we can all agree will be way way more enjoyable to have to experience and live as a part of. Love & Peace <3
 
Anyways once we gain total freedom/world peace we gain the ability to practice the art of PURE CREATION, essentially our reality will become like a lucid dream. Except unlike a lucid dream where your conscious mind is yourself and your awareness of yourself in the dream, and every other material/person you meet in the dream is your subconscious. This reality of total freedom has the ability for all of us to still inhabit and interact with one another! And that is just in this world, once you choose/gain the ability to evolve spiritually you can eventually with a vastly expanded consciousness, and the ability to live among the stars as your awareness, create things like worlds, galaxies, maybe even universes. After all we are modeled out of the shape/aspect/being that is god/our higher power. This essentially gives us the ability to evolve enough to have almost all of his powers/abilities. See my belief on GOD at the moment is that he was being himself and realized that in order to gain vast amounts of enjoyment and pleasure he would create aspects of himself. These aspects are some form of spirit or just a part of his overall spirit split into many different and unique people (US!). But at first we just floated in his space and enjoyed the gift of consciousness and awareness that he bestowed upon us. Eventually he realized that if he gave us the power of free will that we'd be able to create our own destinies and interact in many amazing, complex, and utterly surprising ways. Now since we are a part of him/it/her/god, god can always watch and see how everyone of us is progressing and this gives god an insane amount of joy to see how all his children are growing up in this universe. <3 =D <3
 
I think the points you made here:

Now the thing about relationships I've come to realize is that if it doesn't last your whole life you don't even have to cause pain to each other from the duration or the break up. The way to do this is to always communicate to the best of both of your abilities in regard to what you want out of each sexual/casual encounter and when one of you feels like your love for the other or your connection/closeness(attractions) has increased you should express to them this and how much it has increased if possible, also do so for decreases in attraction value.

The only way I've seen people get heart broken is from their expectations/desires of their partner being destroyed simply because they invested their heart into feeling that way before they communicated it, and then the partner suddenly tells them they don't feel anything close to that way about them, this feels like your heart has been betrayed but the wounds of denial are self-inflicted! You can't love your partner too hard, or too much, you must love each other equally always if you wish to never cause any form of pain to one another. The goal here is that once you both love yourselves fully then equally loving one another will become the most you can possibly feel love and all you need then is to keep that level of love for more and more moments everyday to feel insane amounts of bliss/highs constantly.

(general harmony)(emotional harmony)(mental harmony)(sexual harmony)
(spiritual harmony)(friendship)
These are all the attraction types you can gain/have/keep with another person/spirit/soul what have you. The first four are what you need, at least some of in order to have a solid relationship. Keep in mind that in order to fully love each other you must keep working to have those first four things fully and completely whereas you are ALWAYS comfortable with your partner in those aspects and never have any anxiety/depression over them. Now I also believe those last two aren't necessary but when you have them as well fully in each other THAT is who your soul mate is. Your soul mate is simply the only person in the world or at least one of the persons but the only one you have gotten close enough to so far that you can feel all six of these ways of being with. This in turn will make you realize that yes this person/spirit is the one who I can EASILY see myself spending not just this life, but eternity with and I'd go so far as to have the intense desire to merge our souls together for this other soul completes mine totally and makes me FINALLY feel FULL. To feel full forever and never have any thought of lacking anything that isn't positive/needed to evolve and gain whatever it is you want to out of this and every moment from here on out! Because what you both want will be exactly what you'll get and it will be the greatest journey/high you'll never be able to imagine until you experience it.

are valid-- but are all long-shots. Perhaps I'm simply a damaged individual when it comes to relationships with other people, but I don't think it is possible to have a soul-mate-like connection and still maintain your spirituality. Personally, I see the spiritual journey as highly-individualistic-- ie. no one can possibly experience the things I experience, or feel the same feelings as I feel (and if they are capable of this-- say a group meditation or a shared experience-- they are likely to be just as egoistic in the long-run. That is to say: they will eventually betray you in some way...). Moreover, even

Reflecting on this stance of mine, I'm wondering why I have come to adopt this opinion? Is it egoistic? Am I actually the biggest egoist in the universe? Perhaps...



Like everyone else, I go through periods of up's and down's with my spiritual-pursuit. Currently, I'm not doing much to develop myself, so this point of view will likely seem foreign to me in the matter of weeks or months. Up and down, light and dark, life and death, ego and no ego-- it's all the same :)
 
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How can opposites be the same, if one side has a vastly higher energy level/vibration then the other?

If you've had your heart broken in the past it's very hard to be able to reopen your heart to the amount of love you once did, when that openness and trust with your most vulnerable part of you (the heart) has been betrayed by another because they didn't want to get theirs hurt first perhaps? With the right person you won't ever even THINK anything negative about each other and of each others way of the heart, much less DO to cause hurt. You'll both simply know and understand how to communicate well enough to always have the thrill, rush, excitement, and joy of just being with each other/near each other/being a thought of yourself to your partner when your not near each other. All of these things you can be to one another will be very positive strong highs, stronger then any drug is capable of in this lifetime I'm afraid my intuition tells me.

You maintain your spirituality with a soul mate because this is the final step to completing your spiritual journey, it is the merging of both of your spirits into one whole.
 
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