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My Boyfriend hates my body

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beatsteady thanks for sticking up for me :)

ok, well maybe i should have sugar coated it a little, but hey dont ask the question if u arent prepared to hear the truth! Tho i find it interesting, since RiseGurl is known among her group of friends as someone who gives very truthful advice, and i know for a fact shes pissed off afew ppl by calling it as it is, i thought she could swallow her own medicine. anyhow..

ah the penis comments, sorry ladies but im smack bang right on average :) and im pretty sure i know how to use it ;) :p


Maybe hes insecure about his body.

nah not insecure, but not fully happy.

Or maybe he's just a perfectionist who'll never be satisfied?

no not a perfectionist, high standards? maybe...

am i shallow? yeh by definition i guess so. i dont see this as a bad thing. but how can i truely love someone if i dont lust them? the differance between my friends and my g/fs is i dont lust my friends, but i love them both.

on a final note, when we first got together my g/f hated my hair style (afro), she hated it so much that she made me cut it. whats the differance?
 
Because a hairstyle is easily fixed - although I agree that it is still asking someone to change.

Why did you go out with your girl initially then? You have to agree that expecting someone to change when you yourself chose to go out with them indicates an unreasonable expectation on your part.

Doesn't sound like your relationship is going that well. Sorry. You both have a lot to think about.
 
wel after having my now ex say to me "why cant you look like that?" pointing to a ralph model now in aus sizes I'm a size 8-10, slim and curvy and yeah, I think i look alright.

but this was a NICE comment compared to the other things he'd say and do, I ended up anorexic and in therapy.

if you are happy with how you look you need to tell him how his comment made you feel. if he's worht it he'll understandand you can teach him tact and subtlty.

if not - kick his ass to the curb . . .
HARD
 
incidentally I'm not having a go at you dude, i've just been there and done that. and it started out all innocent, "Gee sweetie you havent been to the gym that much this week have ya?" or "are you sure you want to eat THAT?" and then the flat out comments when we'd go out with friends sometimes together sometimes not where he'd say to my friends that he'd love to go home with some stereotype who walked past. it made me feel like he was settling for me and i was second choice.

and that was after he said he worried about the beauty and beast comparisons (him being beast apparently) that would start when we started going out.

I actually thought he was right and that there was something worng, so just be careful, you can hurt someone you care about so easy. I mean you care about each which to me is essentially giving someone the power to hurt you.
 
first off.. again, i think rise looks fine..

but whats wrong with wanting to have an attractive mate?

along those lines, i am quite sure that if ANY of you woke up next to your SO and they were fat, or disfigured, or whatever else that could make them no longer attractive, no matter how much you loved them, you wouldnt stay long... at our ages, when the physical attraction is gone, the relationship soon follows.
 
Witch Doctor said:
beatsteady thanks for sticking up for me :)

ok, well maybe i should have sugar coated it a little, but hey dont ask the question if u arent prepared to hear the truth! Tho i find it interesting, since RiseGurl is known among her group of friends as someone who gives very truthful advice, and i know for a fact shes pissed off afew ppl by calling it as it is, i thought she could swallow her own medicine. anyhow..

ah the penis comments, sorry ladies but im smack bang right on average :) and im pretty sure i know how to use it ;) :p


BTW the average penis size in the world is 5 inches.. I dont know about you, but thats barely insertion to me.

OK... so you thought that she could take it DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCIOUS IDEA what it is like to have social ideals in a females brain, i suppose not, so ill just candy coat it for your benefit. ;)
So she dishes and cant take it, she is your girlfriend and your goal in life is to be her partner, not her enemy. This kind of communication although honesty is good, she was wanting reassurance, you should encourage someone to become healthy.. And if she isnt unhealthy, you do not push anything upon her. I was in the same exact situation as her, a year ago with an x.
It DESTROYS a relationship when one person becomes insecure in anyway. I think you need to work on your perspective of the world., and your communication skills.

Why dont you work out with her, or why dont you both go on an organic diet and doing stuff together because thats what a relationship is about. It was uncalled for telling her that you arent happy with her body.

So you admit you are shallow, alright great, with that, do you think she is satisfied with YOUR personality? I think a personality is a bit more important than someones body.

You talk about lust like you know it all, boy,thats what you sound like. Lust isnt real.

I completely understand the idea of wanting your s/o to be healthy, but WHY does she have to be to your expectations when dont you think you are being too harsh. I could understand if she was 180lbs at her height.. But babe she is no way obese or disgusting. Encourage dont discourage with crude comments and lack of reassurance.
 
The reason this came up was because I was asking why he never gave me reassurance in our r/ship. He never tells me I look beautiful and he doesnt make me feel good inside about myself and I need reassurance, NOT all the time but hey its nice, I tell him hes my hotty all the time and he never comments on my body and i was like.. What do u think of my body does it bother you? He just smiled, so i said, well if u had something nice to say u would say it, so he asked me what i thought he thought....Which lead me to say, I think this, what do u think then? and he gave me that answer.

I still don't think I'm being given the whole picture here, but I'll do what I can with what you’re giving me.

1. I've notice a few posts by you two about not knowing what's going on in your relationship. It seems to me that confidence is missing in both parties, and a great deal of this issue is rooted in that.

2. I'm going to guess that this conversation was getting pretty heated by the time he made his comment. I've got a feeling that you were pushing him pretty hard, and he started to get defensive. In a defensive state stupid things get said particularly if you invite them with questions like, "What do u think of my body does it bother you?"

It's hard for me to really guess the whole of what is going on here, but I think you both need to put aside certain symptom points and look at some of the bigger picture issues.

I think these points are irrelevant:
1. Your weight
2. His comment
3. His lack of compliments

The above are really just symptom points. The root of the problem is elsewhere.
 
64tf said:

3. His lack of compliments

The above are really just symptom points. The root of the problem is elsewhere.

To every problem and or issue in a relatinship, there is always something else affecting it and it affecting. One issue could be a mirror or parallel to another that is going on.

So ask and please respond.. What else in this relationship are issues (with one or both people) that could make you two short or intollerable with eachother on a minut scale that could cause something said like that to be an issue.?
 
I'm taking this in a separate post because it's a bit off topic, but still something I want to address.

My current boyfriend doesn't notice my weight whatsoever, either way - all he wants is for me to be sexy and confident.

I can not stress enough how important it is that a woman be confident. The importance of pounds, and inches pales in comparison to confidence. I'm not real observant about weight. I can easily over look it if my girl gains many pounds, but I notice quickly when her confidence goes down. I like it when my girl eats right and goes to the gym. Not so much because I can tell a difference in her body, but because I can tell the difference in her attitude. When she's working out, and feeling good about herself she dresses sexier, becomes more aggressive in bed, and seems to be all around happier. I think women with stronger self images do better than women of a particular body style.

While I'm on my soap box I'd like to take a second to comment on self- loathing. There are few things in this world less attractive than seeing someone put themselves down. It's common for women to do this with weight, but men do it to, and people need to understand the dangers of this habit. Self-loathing is extremely detrimental to a person’s mental well being. It's one thing to want to improve yourself. It's a completely different matter when you are just beating yourself up.

Beyond that it has a very negative impact on the people around you. Self inflicted criticism is often more detailed, and precise than what the outside observer would really notice. Often times a person will bring something to light that would have been overlooked if they hadn't said anything. Particularly if the subject is discussed often.

Self loathing also brings down the mood situation very quickly. Even if the other person tries to reassure the person in question it's probably not going to go well. Nobody wants to be around the person who is beating themselves up because it really doesn't go anywhere.

The self filling prophecy element is probably the most dramatic effect of self loathing. If you say you’re smart. People will believe you’re smart. You will believe your smart, and you will excel at things smart people do. Your words are directly linked to your self image, and the way others view you. Think carefully about what you say about yourself, because it will become the truth of who you are.

This goes beyond weight, and beyond the scope of this thread, but it’s something I’ve been meaning to say here for a while.
 
Blah blah blah blah blah.......


It's too bad RiseGirl is upset by all of this, but the fact of the matter is that she asked for his honest opinion and he gave it to her. If she can't handle the truth that's her fault, not his......end of story.

Also, it is interesting to find out that she made him change his hairstyle when they started dating.....GASP, she tried to change him! No way, girls don't do that, just asshole guys (end sarcasm)! I thought everyone said that you should never go into a relationship trying to change anything about the other person? How is what she did different?

The bottom line is that if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. If you know you are a person that can't handle constructive criticism, then don't ask for someone's honest opinion. Of course RiseGirl is not obese, but Witch Doctor is not some devilish asshole for wanting his significant other to get in shape and lose a few pounds.

On another note, whoever was bragging about 5 inches not even being insertion for them, that is just gross. Is that supposed to be impressive?
 
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BTW the average penis size in the world is 5 inches.. I dont know about you, but thats barely insertion to me.

haha wow shit, i thought the average was bigger, which in that case ill rephrase... im BIGGER than average, and i know how to use it :) ;)

http://www.mykm.net/ there u might want to have a read there, sounds like i could be helpful :)

Why dont you work out with her, or why dont you both go on an organic diet and doing stuff together because thats what a relationship is about.

i workout with my best mate afew times a week, and we live an hour apart so what goes on during the week i dont have much control over.

You talk about lust like you know it all, boy,thats what you sound like. Lust isnt real.

yes im only young :)

2. I'm going to guess that this conversation was getting pretty heated by the time he made his comment. I've got a feeling that you were pushing him pretty hard, and he started to get defensive. In a defensive state stupid things get said particularly if you invite them with questions like, "What do u think of my body does it bother you?"
What else in this relationship are issues (with one or both people) that could make you two short or intollerable with eachother on a minut scale that could cause something said like that to be an issue.?

recent meth abuse? things have been abit rough in the intimacy department to say the least, we've spoken about it and both pretty much come to the conclusion that weeks on none stop partyin has cut down time for us.



beatsteady, cheers again :)
 
Beatsteady...... There is NOTHING wrong with being honest and giving an honest answer. But saying it in a nasty hurtful manner is not on. End of story.

[edit:] no flaming please! If you disagree with someone's opinion, please deal with that, not putting down the person directly! This goes for everyone! [/edit]
 
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I think the remark was tactless. I mean, it's like "does my bum look big in this?" The answer is always no (unless you're one of her mates). It's hardly a sackable offence though. I've had a few comments in my time even though I'm not huge by any means, and you know something... water off a ducks back.
The fact that RiseGurl is female doesn't (or shouldn't) make this comment any more heinous.
Basically what we have here is a simple misreading of the situation by Witch Doctor and not the terrible disrespect some of you seem to think it is.
 
I dont think it was as simple as him misreading the situation. Anyone with any brains would know that saying something like that would definately hurt the other persons feelings IMO.
 
64tf said:
I'm taking this in a separate post because it's a bit off topic, but still something I want to address.



I can not stress enough how important it is that a woman be confident. The importance of pounds, and inches pales in comparison to confidence. I'm not real observant about weight. I can easily over look it if my girl gains many pounds, but I notice quickly when her confidence goes down. I like it when my girl eats right and goes to the gym. Not so much because I can tell a difference in her body, but because I can tell the difference in her attitude. When she's working out, and feeling good about herself she dresses sexier, becomes more aggressive in bed, and seems to be all around happier. I think women with stronger self images do better than women of a particular body style.

While I'm on my soap box I'd like to take a second to comment on self- loathing. There are few things in this world less attractive than seeing someone put themselves down. It's common for women to do this with weight, but men do it to, and people need to understand the dangers of this habit. Self-loathing is extremely detrimental to a person’s mental well being. It's one thing to want to improve yourself. It's a completely different matter when you are just beating yourself up.

Beyond that it has a very negative impact on the people around you. Self inflicted criticism is often more detailed, and precise than what the outside observer would really notice. Often times a person will bring something to light that would have been overlooked if they hadn't said anything. Particularly if the subject is discussed often.

Self loathing also brings down the mood situation very quickly. Even if the other person tries to reassure the person in question it's probably not going to go well. Nobody wants to be around the person who is beating themselves up because it really doesn't go anywhere.

The self filling prophecy element is probably the most dramatic effect of self loathing. If you say you’re smart. People will believe you’re smart. You will believe your smart, and you will excel at things smart people do. Your words are directly linked to your self image, and the way others view you. Think carefully about what you say about yourself, because it will become the truth of who you are.

This goes beyond weight, and beyond the scope of this thread, but it’s something I’ve been meaning to say here for a while.

Sorry for the long quote, but I'd just like to applaud that whole post (and not just because 64tf and I kiss each other's butts on a regular basis ;) - if I disagreed with something he said, I'd point that out too).

I have had two major weight loss efforts during my current relationship. During the first one, I was a MAJOR, unequivocal, pain in the prosterior to be around. I would whinge and whine if I'd gained a kilo or so, I would complain about being "fat" but not actually exercise, and I would snap at my poor boy if he so much as suggested a takeaway. Once, I had my serving of 10 pretzels in a little bowl, and he took one: I completely over-reacted and went off my head at him, because it was my "diet food" and how dare he pinch one of my "very meagre" portion of food, when he could eat a bag of Dorito's if he so pleased. 8( Man, I was an absolute nightmare.

Not surprisingly, he noticed my weight more, and the more I put myself down, the more it became an issue - not (bless his soul) ever to the extent that RiseGurl has experienced, but, my lack of confidence opened up a cesspool of issues for both of us.

I can laugh at myself now, because I've worked out the secret. It's not about losing weight, it's about gaining confidence in being yourself.

Now, I'm trying to lose a few kilos again - BUT I'm being realistic about it. I'm being personally accountable. And when I come home and I've done "bad" that week, I just brush it off and learn from it. Consequently, my boyfriend's whole attitude has changed. He's complimenting me left right and centre - more so than he ever did when I mangaged to be "skinny", but NEUROTIC.

I've noticed a change in other people's attitudes too - men and women. My weight is simply not an issue for me anymore; my health is. And that reflects in my general attitude, and mirrored back to me, is my own attitude in others.

I guess what I'm saying is the change has to happen within yourself: but it doesn't hurt to have an understanding partner.

RiseGurl has said she is proud of herself and basically happy with who she is. I think it is a great shame that her boyfriend can't look past his own self and applaud that - because THAT's what's going to guarantee a healthy, happy girlfriend. *Not* excerbating her insecurities with thoughtless criticism.
 
^^^SLM sounds like she's got it right.

I just find it funny how some people justify their measurements saying they are by no means fat etc. Or "it's not like she's 180lbs." etc. as if to imply there would be a point where being unsatisfied with your mate's body is "acceptable" or "reasonable".

The reality is different people have different thresholds for what they think is fat. I agree that Risegurl's bf doesn't deserve her and what he said was hurtful and without tact.

On the other hand, if he is truly not happy then he's not happy. If you are happy with yourself (like SLM and Winding Vines - both of you sound sexy BTW) then kick his ass to the curb....and if you aren't happy with yourself then kick his ass to the curb - then do what SLM did and figure out how to gain confidence and be yourself. This may mean making changes (not necessarily body related) or it may not.

Either way loving yourself is the most important thing.
 
Well most guys in this situation would probably lie and say that she looks good or watever. I think Witch Doctor is brave but stupid (no offence) cause this conflict could of easily been avoided by a "Oh i think you look great!" The Moral of this thread..... Only tell women what they want to hear..
 
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