• The Dark Side 💕 Welcome Guest 💕
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
    Notable Threads Urgent Hotlines
    Bereavement Mindfulness
    Suicide Support Anger Management
  • TDS Moderators: AlphaMethylPhenyl | paranoid android

My body has had enough opiates

A

Almost_Famous

Greenlighter
Joined
Feb 9, 2011
Messages
10
Location
Illinois
Hello Bluelighters, although this is my first post I am no stranger to these forums. First and foremost I am thankful to have learned so much from this website over the last few years. I have been trying to quit opiates for about one year straight now and am failing miserably. At least I've managed to keep my tolerance somewhat low from being sick and unable to hold a job for so long "I'm just 21". I've tried just about everything to quit. The longest I've gone sober in the last three years was 9 days.....twice! I don't wanna do the Sub/Methadone route and vowed a few weeks ago to NEVER take Methadone again. The half life and withdrawals are redic. My addiction is a roller coaster ride. I am in withdrawal any given time at least a couple days a week. Between the guilt,debt,emotional and physical distress I am losing it. My brain chemistry is horrible. As I type this my body is actually "shutting down?" from heavy opiate use the past few weeks. I've been having chest pain and HORRIBLE appendix pain that comes and goes. My skin has a weird tint and I've been having a fever that comes and goes even while I'm high. All the detox centers around where I live have closed down and every time I get ahold of a rehab I just end up losing my perseverance before we can set something up. I don't and I'm NOT going to be a LIFER. The only thing that keeps me going is the hope that I know I will be sober, happy, and comfortable with myself and actually be able to do nice things with money soon. I want to be able hold a job,go to college, hang out with people that aren't total dipshits and be anxiety free. I'm sure lots of you reading this have been through the same thing and are now successful. I just want to ask what did it take you to get over this?! I'm coming to the conclusion the only way I can quit would be to move somewhere else and not tell anyone where I'm going which would only work temp. Please any tips and stories would be greatly appreciated.
 
Welcome to BL :D

I'm going to move your post over to The Dark Side. I think its a better fit there, and you'll get better responses.

Good luck man!

-->TDS
 
Ive basically just being there.
Quick question. Are you snorting opiates? Is it H?
if so that could be the reason your lungs hurt. When it gets into your lungs upon ihalation it stayes there too long and creates various infections.


I used to be able to detox and quit easily but this time something was off, every time i would find an excuse to contiinue my addiction and find a way to prolong financial freedom to maintain the habbit.
What i did one night is forced myself to hit "the rock bottom". Literaly. You have to go there so you simply have no other way out. So you just dont have money to buy more etc
 
Yeah the chest pain started last week when I got some dillaudid and found out a girl I knew had just died. I was snorting it and Iv'ing. About four days ago I got some high grade H and was snorting that and the chest pain got worse so that probably is the culprit. And as far as rock bottom I was just homeless and I thought that would finally get me off opi's. I got a script for tramadol and starting tapering with that. The dt's started REAL BAD. The tram withdrawals were real mental. I went to my parents house freaking out telling them I quit drugs begging them to let me stay. Well I was actually clean for about 6 days. I'm still at my parents. Everything of worth has been pawned. I have no money. Burned my checkbooks. Deleted my contacts on my phone....there all back now : P Found out about counter checks though......so thats whats fucking me up now.
 
Ok. Well you need to realize that right now its not you thinking its the opiate. Find a friend who can sit with you for 3 days straight and detox cold turkey for at least 15 hours then go on suboxone. And taper off it in a week or so.
Thats what i did. Still detoxing actually.

What keeps me looking forward is the fact that i had an amazing career but H made me lazy and i am failing it. Hence i have to stay sober for at least few monthes so i can make good money back.

Sometimes it helps me thinking that ill stay sober for so and so log so i can afford more opiates and my luxurious life:)


As to your lungs stop snorting the normal way. But a straw that bends. Cut the long part short so it matches the other side of the bend. Then put H into one side of it (full dose) then place one side in ur nose and another in your mouth YOU CAN NOT BREATH AT ALL WHILE U DO THAT. And then Exhale (blowing air out) That way the H will go into your nose but will avoid your lungs so it will let it heal.
And remeber the deeper you get into debt - the harder you will have to work back up and its Unavoidable. You will have to stop and work back up.
 
Last edited:
That straw technique is interesting. I've never heard of that before. My mom just helped me detox by giving me tapered amounts of hydrocodone each day. I was so close. She'd be pissed if she knew I messed that up. I'm sure she does know...IDK. Dillaudid actually works really well to detox with too. I know it sounds crazy but to just use minimal amounts while your detoxing off a normal half life drug. Then after about 3 or 4 days just go cold turkey and it's like a day or less because of the extremely short half life. It's horrible but it's quick. The thought of being in debt just makes it worse.
 
I think a safer h nasal technique is to dissolve the powder in water, and filter it, then use a dropper, tilt ur head, and drop a few drops in one nostril and quickly use ur finger to open and close ur nostril to maximize the surface area the liquid h reaches.

However, since u are quitting, what i typed may not be relevant to u.

According to research I have read quick tapers using suboxone or methadone are most successful, I guess to the lack of PAWS. the initial sub dose is titrated (and often the first dose is higher than the subsequent doses). the mean duration was about 14 days for the sub taper. i dont remember the methadone taper, but i think it was shorter, like about a week.

Interesting that u mention dilaudid, an opiate w a short half life. I also read that for pain patients who are dependent on opiates and want off, doctors often prescribe a full mu opiate with a short half life and decrease the dose by about 10-15% every week. When I found that out, I got pissed and I suspect that big pharma and the government want addicts to be on sub or methadone maintenance for life, plus antidepressants, sleeping pills, antipsychotics, and all other types of shitty legal drugs for our money and soul for life.

To get myself off opiates (I am not physically addicted after 8 years), I have used methoxetamine and 4meoPCP, or just methoxetamine alone for about 2-3 days (mind u, I had sitters for everytime so I wouldnt do something crazy and dangerous, but I tend to overdo things). Both are nmda antagonists with a relatively long duration. There is a thread in advanced drug discussion about nmda antagonists and tolerance, a collection of research and anecdotes, which u may want to check out. I struggled with the suboxone to h to suboxone to h cycle for a good 5 years until subs basically didnt work on me and made me miserable. Then i tried a h taper, that was doled out in measured amounts and certain times by my parents... and that almost worked if i had had more time, but my parents were getting fed up. And methadone didnt work for me bc i was a zombie and nodded out at inappropriate times unknowingly and crashed my car. So I felt suicidal and hopeless, and thats when I accidentally discovered the 4meoPCP and methoxetamine.

I didn't think it would have been possible for me, but I did it so I know that u can succeed too. There are options and somethings going to work for u. I hope I didnt bore u too much.
 
Last edited:
Its definitely possible to quit......it takes sheer will power from you & if you are tired of the b.s., you can do it. I started taking prescribed hydrocodone a year ago for back pain & I can see myself not stopping because I not only get pain relief, but a great high as well.

Yu have a tough road ahead but you are only 21, dude.....you are just starting your life. You can accomplish a college degree & a great job & a possible marriage with kids by the time you reach 30. Dont give up, you have just begun & the first step threw this journey is to get sober & stay this way. Many challenges & obstacles will be in your way because of the stress looking down at you from college, job prospects & daily life as we know it but never lose focus of the bigger picture, your health & happiness.........:)
 
I'm feeling really determined right now. I'm gonna start a 3 day hydrocodone taper when I wake up. No loperamide or any chemicals. I've been reading about natural detox on brain chemistry and I wanna give it a try. I know if I can make it a week it will be totally over. I just need to get a new phone number as people always call me with offers I can't refuse when I'm just starting to feel better.
 
Hey AlmostFamous!

Welcome to TDS.<3

Good idea about changing your number, you dont need pestering pressure of that nature, while your doing this for yourself.

Just wondering have you discussed this decision with anyone else at all?
 
I only have one straight laced sober friend. I'm done telling her when I'm trying to quit because I always fail and it's embarassing and she probably just thinks I'm just lying about trying to quit but I'm trying really hard. So far so good today. Ive had my phone off all day. Checked my voicemail and had a bunch of druggy friends leaving messages for me to call them. I feel fine. I've decided to quit smoking at the same time after looking at some brutal cancer pictures last night and I've been blowing off quitting for awhile. I've got some nicotine gum and have decided to go get some valium to help me through this.
 
Wow, quitting smoking as well is alot to take on...perhaps it is more realistic to stick with the Taper for now...less pressure when the tough gets going?
 
the 2 methods i've found that have worked best for me is a 3 day methadone taper, where u start with a larger dose and then day 2 a smaller dose which stays in your system thru day 3 then stop it takes 5-6 days to get physically addicted to methadone so you skip opiate wd and are off the meth before that wd would kick in. the other way is by using benzos i.e. xanax, klonpin, valium or ativan just use them to knock yourself out for three days and skip wd all together other useful drugs for this method are trazadone, ambien, seroquel, remeron, Amitriptyline any of these to knock you out. In addition use soma, flexeril, norflex or baclofen for muscle cramping and muscle pain thru your detox period.
 
Update....So I made it about between 65-70 hours "pretty much almost over for me because of my health and metabolism and DOC etc." got on a hype and took 25mg of hydrocodone then a little later just 15mg of oxy. Starting over...feck. It's ok though I'm still hyped on quitting. The oxy dose was 30 hours ago. Got a doc to actually prescribe me aprazolam without even asking for it. I've got promethazine, clonodine and all sorts of goodies. It's almost over. Going to find a job today to keep my body going.
 
I relate deeply to what the OP has said; we like to think that we're ok on opiates because they're 'natural', but it's all bullshit: as soon as I started to get clean my skin changed colour, or rather regained colour, I had more energy and was intellectually more present, I had less random lethargy and pain, etc.

Some of us, having grown so accustomed to just taking pills for everything and anything, find it difficult to get clean without some chemical help. I for one found nights much much MUCH easier to bear with a small amount of valium and something weak like codeine. My doctors set up a 7 day supply so there's not really much danger involved. Also I've been using an antihistamine 'Restavit' (doxylamine succinate) and it's great for sleep.

But ultimately it can be hard to find a doctor who is willing to do this, and I was extremely lucky in that I didn't have to go looking; my psychiatrist just consented after talking to my prescriber. If I'd had to go looking I would have just not bothered. Some amount of discomfort is inevitable after such intense pleasure, and in the end it's up to you. That's important, and it's easy to forget the power of initiative when you're on drugs.

S
 
Almost there!!! I feel pretty good as for now. Just little hot flashes coming and going once in awhile and a terrible back ache. Tired as shit but can't sleep. Just slammed some coffee for use as a diuretic and to flush out my GI tract even more. I'm about to get some tylenol so I can take it with naproxen sodium for this back ache. Gonna try some l-tryptophan and b6 caps tomorrow too. Finally.....
 
Also...Suessmayr, the doctors in the usa are total dicks when it comes to opiate withdrawal. You have to lie your ass off to get anything to help. Standard drugs in an er are just like clonodine and promethazine, maybe ativan if your EXTREMELY lucky. Funny thing is if I lived in a country where the hydros and codeine was otc I probably would've never been intrigued to it lol.
 
Dude u can DO IT! i did it, been TOTALLY clean for almost 8 weeks and not using oxys since december of 10...i understand..it fucking sucks..and it takes alot of work, but now i wake up and i dont want to fucking die!!! its the best feeling in the world, its fucking great to get your life back and i never ever ever thought i could do it but i sucked it up and admitted my addiction to my family and started telling the truth and i got help and holy fucking shit..im alive again....lemme tell you though..its not easy. i STILL have insomnia..(again its been since dec) and i STILL have the fucking dreams where im using..but i feel like "normal again"...it is possible! go for it
 
I was on heroin/suboxene for a year and a half until recently when I was forced to taper quickly. I was using my ex boyfriends suboxene when I wasn't on dope, but we broke up and he got arrested and all I was left with was half a sub. Somehow I made that last 8 days by breaking off small pieces and snorting it. The withdrawals weren't nearly as bad as the full blown heroin WDs i've had before. My heroin habit was 1 or 2 bags a day, which isn't that much but I was hooked on opiates/suboxene for over a year. There were still some WD symptoms, like always feeling freezing cold and sweating a ton at night, but the worst things like extreme lethargy, depression and restless leg syndrome weren't bad at all. So I would recommend that, if you can somehow manage to get one 8mg suboxene do a fast taper, it will be easier than a slow, drawn out one. I've never been on methadone but i've heard bad things. Sometimes you can get suboxene at methadone clinics but at the one my ex went to, you had to finish the whole thing in front of them and pay for a weeks worth up front (which was like $175).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top