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quickslide

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Hi everybody:)

I'm planning to experience a strong ayahuasca trip. Will 10 grams of Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) and 60 grams of Chacruna (Psychotria viridis) do it you think?


I'm also wondering how cautious I got to be if I've been using propranolol. I've been using it about 14 times the last 20 days. Last time was 5 days ago. Is it any danger to be tripping on friday? That would be 8 days not using. I never used the med before this and only used it to relieve my nervousness at my new work.
 
Feste said:
You really don't need anything like 10g of syrian rue. 2 or 3g will be plenty.
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Yeah, though I read I will have psychedelic effects from the rue too at a high dose, but maybe I'll lose some.

What do you think about 60 grams of Chacruna? Will it be really strong?
 
quickslide said:
Yeah, though I read I will have psychedelic effects from the rue too at a high dose, but maybe I'll lose some.

What do you think about 60 grams of Chacruna? Will it be really strong?
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do not forget that syrian rue has some toxicity. There are other alkaloids there besides beta-carbolines. 3 grams is plenty for MAOI. As for chacruna, it can be enough... or not! depends on the strength of the plant. Chacruna is highly variable, so the only way to know is to take it

One advice is to take the rue decoction 20-30 minutes before the chacruna. This way the MAOI will be in effect when you take the DMT containing plant. Also. If this is your first ayahuasca experience, see if you can have a sitter around. An helpful hand and voice is very often required, at least on the first times
 
Rorthron said:
do not forget that syrian rue has some toxicity. There are other alkaloids there besides beta-carbolines. 3 grams is plenty for MAOI. As for chacruna, it can be enough... or not! depends on the strength of the plant. Chacruna is highly variable, so the only way to know is to take it

One advice is to take the rue decoction 20-30 minutes before the chacruna. This way the MAOI will be in effect when you take the DMT containing plant. Also. If this is your first ayahuasca experience, see if you can have a sitter around. An helpful hand and voice is very often required, at least on the first times
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Can you assure me 3 grams will be enough for 60grams chacruna? cuz then I'll probably just do 3... It sounds really awfull taking too much.
 
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I have a recipe from the site I ordered from. Should I stick to this recepi or can you recommend me something else? Alot of people are saying I should take the rue 30-45minutes before the dmt which contradicts the recipe I got.

This is the recipe:


* Grind or pulverize the ingredients and put them in a pan.
* Add 150 ml of distilled of filtered water
* add 50 ml of lemon juice, or vitamine C tablet.
* Simmer and stir the liquid for 15 to 30 minutes on the lowest fire on your stove
 
quickslide said:
I have a recipe from the site I ordered from. Should I stick to this recepi or can you recommend me something else? Alot of people are saying I should take the rue 30-45minutes before the dmt which contradicts the recipe I got.

This is the recipe:


* Grind or pulverize the ingredients and put them in a pan.
* Add 150 ml of distilled of filtered water
* add 50 ml of lemon juice, or vitamine C tablet.
* Simmer and stir the liquid for 15 to 30 minutes on the lowest fire on your stove
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Some tips:

*boil them separately.
* do not use lemon, or your stomach will revolt itself. Better to use vinegar. 1 or 2 tablespoons should be enough for each boil
*You do not need to boil the ground seeds that much. 5 minutes should be enough.
* boil the chacruna for 30-40 minutes and change at least once the water. Join both liquids (from the chacruna boils) and reduce in the fire. The intensity of the fire is irrelevant. In the amazon they use large fires with no loss in potency
* Take the harmala tea 30 minutes before the chacruna tea
*After the chacruna, enjoy the ride and be in a safe place, where you can have easy access to toilets. If possible have a sitter

Finally. write a TR to tell us all how did it go!
 
Rorthron said:
Some tips:

*boil them separately.
* do not use lemon, or your stomach will revolt itself. Better to use vinegar. 1 or 2 tablespoons should be enough for each boil
*You do not need to boil the ground seeds that much. 5 minutes should be enough.
* boil the chacruna for 30-40 minutes and change at least once the water. Join both liquids (from the chacruna boils) and reduce in the fire. The intensity of the fire is irrelevant. In the amazon they use large fires with no loss in potency
* Take the harmala tea 30 minutes before the chacruna tea
*After the chacruna, enjoy the ride and be in a safe place, where you can have easy access to toilets. If possible have a sitter

Finally. write a TR to tell us all how did it go!
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I must say I really, really appreciate your help!

A couple of questions.

Should I use vinegar both in the rue boil and both the chacrunas?

Mustn't I pulverize both the rue seeds and the chacruna?

What heat should I have on the plate when boiling? I have 6 or 12 as maximum heat. I mean, it should actually boil as in over a hundred degrees?

And what heat should I have when reducing the water? You said it doesn't matter but I'm asking anyway, haha. The recipe said lowest heat for 15-30 minutes. Would this work out fine?


Sorry if my questions are stupid, I just don't want to screw anything up. I'll definately tell you how it went. Done 5-meo-dmt before and what I ride.
 
quickslide said:
I must say I really, really appreciate your help!

A couple of questions.

Should I use vinegar both in the rue boil and both the chacrunas?

Mustn't I pulverize both the rue seeds and the chacruna?

What heat should I have on the plate when boiling? I have 6 or 12 as maximum heat. I mean, it should actually boil as in over a hundred degrees?

And what heat should I have when reducing the water? You said it doesn't matter but I'm asking anyway, haha. The recipe said lowest heat for 15-30 minutes. Would this work out fine?


Sorry if my questions are stupid, I just don't want to screw anything up. I'll definately tell you how it went. Done 5-meo-dmt before and what I ride.
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There are no stupid questions! Glad to be of some help

Yes, use vinegar for both. it will help the alkaloid extraction on both cases

Pulverize the chacruna... well I never had leaf that i could pulverize. If it can be reduced to powder it must be REALLY dry. I do no know what will be the DMT content of such. generally i just break it into tiny bits with knifes or my bare hands. not difficult at all

as to heat. use enough so that it does not evaporate too quickly, that's a good rule of thumb! you should have a drinkable amount in the end (30-50 cc) for each part of your tea.

Be safe!
 
Rorthron said:
There are no stupid questions! Glad to be of some help

Yes, use vinegar for both. it will help the alkaloid extraction on both cases

Pulverize the chacruna... well I never had leaf that i could pulverize. If it can be reduced to powder it must be REALLY dry. I do no know what will be the DMT content of such. generally i just break it into tiny bits with knifes or my bare hands. not difficult at all

as to heat. use enough so that it does not evaporate too quickly, that's a good rule of thumb! you should have a drinkable amount in the end (30-50 cc) for each part of your tea.

Be safe!
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Sweet:)

How about the rue, should it be pulverized? I read about people having a hard time doing that.

What about the heat when boiling? Should be over a hundred degrees? Boiling to me means over a hundred degrees but I'm not sure if boiling can mean two things in english?
 
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