My Advice for Recovery and Health

[irisdescence]

I wanted to post this for all of you suffering because of your overuse of MDMA or other drugs, or even those who are just in a difficult place in their lives.

I went into a state of depression and stupidity that was based partly around MDMA use, although the primary cause was a couple horrible relationships + doing acid at very unstable points in my life.

I went through a LOT of trial and error getting out of where I was at. Piracetam, aniracetam, oxiracetam all seemed to worsen my problems. Herbs, vitamins, erratic exercise, caffeine.

The only things that ultimately worked for me ultimately were:
1) Intense EXERCISE
2) Great diet (primarily vegetables/fruits/nuts, cut out processed shit and most meat/ carbs)
3) Socializing, building relationships (not romantic relationships)
4) Drinking lots of high quality water
5) Time
6) Stopping drugs/alcohol

Basically, you'll feel better if you do healthy things and have patience. I now feel worlds better than I've ever felt in my life, so in a way my MDMA use led to an improved mental acuity and physical fitness because of how extreme of measures I went to to finally get healthy in every way I could.

Of these, diet and exercise were the most important for me.

As another plus, MDMA is much more fun when you're physically and mentally healthy, which diet and exercise help tremendously with: ).

 

[Asyd420]

nice post.

 

[No Consequence]

You should also add something about stimulating your mind.
Like for instance studying and reading a book or something helps.

 

[irisdescence]

Absolutely.

My experience with stimulating my mind was this:

I was in a highly competitive graduate school. I dropped out because my life was melting down.

I found that I was unable to really stimulate my mind effectively until I took care of myself physically, and that once I felt physically restored through diet and exercise I was able to recommit myself to working with my mind.

The problem for many people is that drug use messes up your mental processes, so when you try to stimulate your mind you get frustrated because it's not as easy as it was before. (And most people don't focus that well nowadays drugs or otherwise) But if you strengthen the tools that fuel your mind, your body and physical brain and overall sense of well-being, then you're able to focus mentally much more easily.

 

[No Consequence]

I wish there was a 'like' button to that ^ haha.

 

[1ll0gic]

im glad that there are other people in this world that value the correlation of physical fitness and mental abilities as much as i do

 

[dickhwang]

Nice post! This is my first post btw :]
I am in the same boat as you... I was in a
pre-pharmacy program over at the university of the pacific in stockton, ca.
I ended up giving up the program because I started smoking weed.. then got bored and did DXM... then ecstasy... then oxycontin. The oxycontin is still fucking me up... I have been crisping the OP 80's and now I have no money (Spent like $15,000 in 2 years on this bull shit drug). It feels like I can't study any more and use my mind. I also did adderall for a while which worked... but it worsened my problem of not being able to study. I have not exercised for over 3+ years. I will get back to that and see if you're method really works :]

PS: This is motivation as I wanted to quit opiates for a whole year now... I have tried to quit over 20 times even under a doctor's supervision with suboxone. That shitty drug did not work for me(and I know a lot of you can agree). I am going to slowly taper myself off... well I only have 280 mgs of oxy left and 120 mg of morphine. I decided to only snort a little by little when times get too tough.. for example if I withdrawal way too hard and my anxiety is off the charts. Please wish me luck, as I am struggling every day and I am super depressed. I am going to try and cold turkey his 160-200mg oxycontin habit!!

 

[irisdescence]

Sorry to hear that. I have a close friend who's struggled with opiate addiction, sounds like it's the worst sort of hell trying to quit.

Keep in mind that all of these things take time and consistency, and nothing is fixed overnight. For me, when I began, it got a lot worse before it got better (although I knew I was moving in the right direction so that was motivation to continue.)

With exercise your body is going to feel like shit and it's very easy to quit early on. With diet, your body, particularly with something as extreme as I did (went from a lot of fast food/processed shit/no vegetables to ultimately a diet of almost all raw foods + fish very quickly) your body will go through a detoxification period similar to a drug withdrawal.

The point is that while these things are very effective, they aren't easy, so if you want to do anything, find a way to commit. Find a friend to do it with, or sketch out an attainable plan and find some way to force yourself to stay with it.

I've tried things like this in the past and quit, but what made me stick with it this time was total desperation. I was mentally annihilated, emotionally wrecked, and physically ill, and I realized that if I didn't force myself to change my life then there wasn't much point in continuing it. Most of us have the capability to be intelligent, active, happy people, just like most of us have the capability to allow our lives to fall apart.

So use your desperation as fuel to change your habits, because habits are fucking hard to change (like I'm sure anyone who's dealt with any sort of addiction can attest to.)

 

[dickhwang]

Great advice.. once again!

Quick reply by the OP. PROPS

You sure know what you are talking about. I am having a hard time having an appetite and I chomp down processed foods / fast food all the time due to my unwillingness to eat normal, healthy foods. I find that while on the drugs my diet consisted of only those kinds of nasty foods because the taste was great. I am very sick of the fast food now and I do have healthy foods available to me b/c my mother cooks and she has high blood pressure. So low sodium (even none sometimes) and no MSG foods are readily available but now I have to just not think about it and just man up (even tho I want to puke thinkin about these healthy foods). BTW its healthy Korean foods!

Not only will I be detoxing oxys, I will detox cigarettes and processed foods from my ravaged body. I do not look forward to this at all! But you gotta do what you gotta do right? I plan to strive to want to live a normal life again and I am going to take this one step at a time.

I will keep you posted on my progress... although this isn't the forum to do so right? Sorry for hijacking your thread!

I FEEL the OP's advice about now being the time of "total desperation." I am completely on board with that feeling and know what the OP is talking about. I have been to the emergency room for overdosing over the summer of 2010... if it doesn't end now, I will end up dead for sure. Death obviously didn't scare me at the time, although thinking about it now, I do NOT want to die from these damn stupid drugs. Withdrawals are the worst thing I have ever encountered. I was a 4.5 GPA high school student with high aspirations and full scholarships. Drugs threw my life down the drain, but luckily I am 22 years old and have a whole life ahead of him. Positive thinking, positive thinking, positive thinking!! This is my hardest challenge yet and I am definitely up for it. Thank you for your most excellent advice SIR!!!! MUCH LOVE

 

[IIRandomHeroII]

Your post is spot on and I've said almost the exact same thing before on here, but basically you posted the recipe for a positive lifestyle with or without drugs (Something very few people realize unfortunately).

I hate it when people recommend more drugs or weed for come downs. I've always gone to sleep and woke up feeling fantastic after going out and running 6-8 miles with my ipod and reflecting on the night before. It may sound terrible at the time, but when you get done, you'll feel a sense of self-satisfaction and you'll sleep like a baby(I know I do).

Oh and I also consider myself on track to be successful. I finish up school in May with a Finance degree graduating in the top 10% at my university. I'm on a scholarship for sports, and I have an awesome job lined up.

 

[cryptix420]

^ hey man weed is great though. I'll admit though it irks me when people recommend xanax or opiates for comedowns. Kinda beats the purpose of laying there thinking about what you just went through mentally.

@ OP - I think your 'high quality' water comment should only be taken serious by those in Mexico. lol

 

[irisdescence]

I purposely didn't bring up the water details, but not all water is equal. Dasani and other reverse osmosis or purified stuff really is crap. I drink ionized water, and there's not much US research on it (although there is some, and much more in japan and Korea). When I started drinking it I went through the worst detoxification of my life. Skin rashes, shitting out a ton, headaches, fatigue. There are studies that show blood cells before and after drinking alkaline water, and they're much healthier afterwards. There's tons of bullshit propaganda both for and against it, but i can't deny the effect it's had on me.

BUT I didn't include this bc it is highly debated whether it is real and I wanted to appeal to things western medicine embraces.

 

[irisdescence]

As another note, anyone who's interested should read up on the ph balance involving alkaline and acid levels in our bodies. It's my entirely speculative belief that bob marley and Terrence McKenna got tumors indirectly from their drug use- true marijuana helps against cancer, but it and other drugs also have an acidifying effect on the body, so they work to create an environment better suited to cancer growth.

Again this is an off the wall idea but someone has to throw them out there. Reverse aging by sang Shang, the ph miracle by Robert young, and any Tony Robbins seminar (lol) where he discusses it are good resources for anyone curious.

 

[dickhwang]

I purposely didn't bring up the water details, but not all water is equal. Dasani and other reverse osmosis or purified stuff really is crap. I drink ionized water, and there's not much US research on it (although there is some, and much more in japan and Korea). When I started drinking it I went through the worst detoxification of my life. Skin rashes, shitting out a ton, headaches, fatigue. There are studies that show blood cells before and after drinking alkaline water, and they're much healthier afterwards. There's tons of bullshit propaganda both for and against it, but i can't deny the effect it's had on me.

BUT I didn't include this bc it is highly debated whether it is real and I wanted to appeal to things western medicine embraces.

Hey you are definitely right about the water making a difference. While I was on oxycontin for the past 2 years, besides watching my life get trashed, I have been researching politics and stuff about my country (USA). The government purposely puts chemicals and drugs in our water supply to help us not feel anger so that we will sort of give in to anything they say. The chemicals they add are poisonous as well.. look it up for yourself. Its fluoride (and for those of you who say fluoride is good for you... no it isn't. It's in toothpaste for crying out loud.. you don't swallow it! You just externally wash your teeth with it. Look up the effects of ingesting fluoride.. they aren't pretty and lead to teeth disoloration, teeth rotting, and ultimately a shorter lifespan). And I've also heard that Prozac is added (an SSRI anti-depressant). So you "detoxing" and maybe feeling some sort of withdrawal is legitimate and I understand where you are coming from. Good post... keep us informed! %)



And about the Marijuana. It TOTALLY depends if it helps you or not. Let me explain my experience and what I think is right:

1. Some people have anxiety during withdrawals.
-These people that have anxiety should NOT smoke marijuana because I believe that marijuana makes what you are feeling more "potentiated." So you will get some weird sensations and possibly even panic attack like symptoms. I know this because I am a victim of that. I don't smoke weed on oxy withdrawals.

2. Some people don't go through anxiety on withdrawals and are just SUPER bored. So these people that always say weed is good for any drug come downs/withdrawal are lucky to not go through anxiety/panic episodes and just want to cope with their boredom. Put yourself in my shoes and say that... you CAN'T.

That is all. Keep it up bluelighters!

 

[IIRandomHeroII]

I'm not going to say any of you are right or wrong, but many are just splitting hairs. Water(for the most part) is water. I think you're buying WAYYYY too much into it.


Maintain a healthy life style, exercise your body and your mind, and you'll be much happier in the long run.

 

[irisdescence]

I'm not going to argue about water being water. Actually, I guess I am lol.

I'll just say that different water has different pH's, structure, and absorption ability. I guarantee if you try alkaline water somewhere (they have stores that sell it, or you can buy droplets) you'll feel a difference. For me, it felt as if it was pushing all the crap out of me. Obviously that's a subjective interpretation, but it definitely made a difference. Whether that's a good or bad difference is for you to decide, but you'll definitely feel it.

It's the same reason why alcohol and soda are HORRIBLE for you, besides all of the sugar in soda. They are incredibly acidic. On the same note, there is water with a pH of around 5-5.5 (reverse osmosis water) to water around 7 (mineral water) to water up around 9-11 (alkaline ionized water). There are other differences to ionized water too, but the pH is the most easily measured. Our body's pH is ideally 7.36 or so, and when you drink or eat alkaline foods you're making it easier for your body to stay at 7.36 by pulling acid from the rest of your body, which removes shit you have been unable to get rid of.

That's all I'm going to say about water. I absolutely believe it is different. The benefits or lack there of are debatable, but the difference is real, and particularly people who do a lot of drugs would be wise to at least look into the effects of acidity and alkalinity on the body.

Western medical science definitely is not nearly comprehensive, and has a long, long way to go. It's unfortunate that it's so focused on treating disease, rather than preventing disease. If everyone ate healthy and lived a healthy lifestyle, we wouldn't need all this cancer research and massive money being spent on pharmaceuticals that do more harm than good.

 

[severely etarded]

I'm not going to argue about water being water. Actually, I guess I am lol.

I'll just say that different water has different pH's, structure, and absorption ability. I guarantee if you try alkaline water somewhere (they have stores that sell it, or you can buy droplets) you'll feel a difference. For me, it felt as if it was pushing all the crap out of me. Obviously that's a subjective interpretation, but it definitely made a difference. Whether that's a good or bad difference is for you to decide, but you'll definitely feel it.

How long's it take to feel? I'm interested in trying it, but I drink aquafina which has a pH of 7, and rather inexpensive if you shop.

It's the same reason why alcohol and soda are HORRIBLE for you, besides all of the sugar in soda. They are incredibly acidic. On the same note, there is water with a pH of around 5-5.5 (reverse osmosis water) to water around 7 (mineral water) to water up around 9-11 (alkaline ionized water). There are other differences to ionized water too, but the pH is the most easily measured. Our body's pH is ideally 7.36 or so, and when you drink or eat alkaline foods you're making it easier for your body to stay at 7.36 by pulling acid from the rest of your body, which removes shit you have been unable to get rid of.

If you drink plenty of ph 7 water, wouldn't it flush out the acids over time?

That's all I'm going to say about water. I absolutely believe it is different. The benefits or lack there of are debatable, but the difference is real, and particularly people who do a lot of drugs would be wise to at least look into the effects of acidity and alkalinity on the body.

I'm familiar.

Western medical science definitely is not nearly comprehensive, and has a long, long way to go. It's unfortunate that it's so focused on treating disease, rather than preventing disease. If everyone ate healthy and lived a healthy lifestyle, we wouldn't need all this cancer research and massive money being spent on pharmaceuticals that do more harm than good.

agreed. Western medical science is run by money-hungry insurance & pharmaceutical companies. The healthcare system lobbied in by insurance & pharmaceutical companies does very little for prevention, and more for curing people once they get sick, forcing them to buy insurance whom people pay up to 500+ monthly, making the average insured cost of healthcare (without doctor visits) in america is from $6-7k/yr PER INDIVIDUAL, and then once people get sick, they often need drugs for the rest of their entire lives that require monthly visits to the doctor, which cost a hundred here, a hundred there, every month just goin to the doctor to fill a prescription, the insurance pays 80% so you pay 20$ on it, not so bad, but then you pay $500-600 a month for the insurance that gets you the 'discount'. see what I mean?

I completely agree with you about western medicine, but the reason is because the way the ENTIRE system is set up to make big companies shitloads of cash off sick people. it's sick

 

[severely etarded]

My advice (in addition to yours)

Love everything you said. The only small detail I would add, is getting sunlight. Sunlight definately has a positive effect on the mind. Going outside on pretty days is essential. The daytime light on a clear day can do wonders for your mental health. Just go find a place to relax outside when it's pretty, I STRONGLY believe it helps. It's helped me, along with exercise, eating right.

I just wanted to add this because many of the users in ecstasy discussion are ecstasy abusers in particular, and sunlight it particularly important for serotonin production, as it stimulates it. I think it's more effective, and less harmful than any potential side effects (5htp isn't known to be completely safe, while sunlight, for short periods of time, with sunscreen if in it longer, is completely safe.