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(MXE / 50mg) - 1st Time - Confusion and Nausea

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NOTE: 50mg is a HIGH first dose. I have been experimenting with MXE daily at various doses and via multiple ROAs. Start off at 5-10mg insufflated/IM or 10mg sublingual/oral.

Morning started out shitty: Took daily 1200mg Gabapentin dose and 100mg Zoloft because I'm withdrawing from Effexor XR 150mg BID. Also worth noting is a 30-40mg in 1-2 day xanax black out incident days prior. The SSRI/benzo issues might be the cause of the nausea and unrelated to MXE specifically in this case.

T+00:00: High as a kite on AM/JWH/weed/hash after a 2 day break. Measured out 50mg (+/- 5mg), crushed/cut powder into two lines. Absolutely no burn.

T+00:10: Slightly off baseline but unable to describe exactly how, especially because of the drug abuse the prior week (which is NOT a common habit.) Almost like a nitrous comedown without the headache. Physical pain did not bother me (had friends pinch me etc.) I felt the pain, but was emotionally disassociated from it (like on opiates.) It doesn't mean pain felt good.

T+00:30: After half an hour (from my perception, which was likely slowed down) I railed another 25mg. Friends (only high on above cannabinoid combo) and I walked about a mile. I had trouble walking straight but was generally in a good mood. Cannot completely describe the state as being pleasant euphorically. It didn't feel bad either. read: MXE takes a long time to peak. In more reading of the literature, it appears that most MXE trainwrecks are due to trying to potentiate or prolong the initial silly/good mood during the come up.

T+00:60: Had no recollection of how we got to destination, but knowing full well that we merely walked. Colors seemed vibrant; A "does the world always look like this?" feeling, without anything specific being out of place in terms of perspective and color.

The worst effect was I could not focus my vision on anything specific and could not hold my gaze at something directly. Had to use peripheral vision for sight but could not explain exactly how/why my vision was impaired. Looking at things became annoying to the point of almost being nauseating, although I only associated the nausea feeling with this "motion sickness" after the effects worth off. At the time my stomach felt OK and I was just annoyed at not being able to focus.

T+02:00: Major time dilation and in looking back now, I'm not sure if this really was the 2hr mark. Felt like I was coming down (but probably wasn't!) vision issues began subsiding I think, and/or I felt motion sick. Nausea and headache began getting worse as the hour went by. I was in the back of a car on the road this hour and cannot explain nor remember what I felt with my eyes closed. It wasn't "good" or "bad." I just existed.

T+03:00: Nausea intense. I recall having not eaten most of the day minus breakfast about 8-10 hours earlier. Attempt eating a Subway sandwich with zero appetite, a little disgust and the nausea increasing with every bite. Get a bag ready and contemplate inducing nausea which was completely ruining my experience. (side note: I am generally not prone to motion sickness, but I am prone to nausea on the 2C* come up. Enough that I feel better sometimes inducing vomiting. This may lead to vomiting becoming habitual when nauseated.)

T+:03:30: Nausea is bad enough that I leave the film showing we were at and sit in car with music on for about 30 mins. No interesting auditory enhancement and some music ADD experienced. The chilliness outside began feeling uncomfortable so the heater went on. Began feeling better but the thought of getting out of car and walking back to venue felt burdensome.

T+04:00: Figured the nausea/headache may be MXE induced along with some confusion. Confusion is not a good word here. Eerie or "dark" might be a better word. (I realize now that this meant the drug was not wearing off at all.) I knew who/what/where I was, or at least knew OF these "facts" but it felt somewhat meaningless in the grant scheme of things which itself made no sense. Yes I'm alive, I took a drug, time is slow, this will wear off, etcetc, but knowing and believing these facts felt almost ridiculous. Sure they were true, but what exactly does that mean?*

What does one do in such a case? I parachuted ~10mg MDPV. Began feeling a little bit better after 5 mins, the nausea feeling more like the temporary 5-MeO-DMT "euphoria in my stomach" nausea common at high doses of insufflated 5-MeO-DMT but much more unpleasant.

T+05:00: Nausea subsides (do not remember when exactly) along with headache and I feel much better.

T+06:00: Insufflate 10mg MXE and feel much better, with a headache that comes and goes 10-20 mins after insufflation. Could not quite put figure on how/why I felt good. Upbeat? More talkative/sociable? Less overwhelmed?

Effects are hard to describe without much prior dissociative experience. *Only way to describe the eerie/confusion effect was like a nitrous oxide hit.. Next time you take a big hit of laughing gas, don't laugh, but instead take a deep breath and try to make perfect logical "sense" of everything around you. It's very bizarre and can be extremely frightening.

With tripping on "conventional" psychedelics, you may feel overstimulated and associate this with "losing your mind" or your senses, but after trying dissociatives, I would say being overstimulated is having too much of your mind. With MXE I begin to see "between" stimuli. The silence that reminds you that life in the big picture doesn't make much sense at all. It's chaotic and absolutely absurd. This can be very scary.

START OFF AT 10-25mg. No heroic doses w/ dissociatives. I can see where the social stigma against LSD and other psychedelics would come from. Be careful!

EXPERIENCED PSYCHONAUT HEROES READ:
I can and do sometimes function in everyday life tripping hard on 2Cs, shrooms, etc. I can do these things because I don't feel impaired. Perhaps it's tolerance, experience or a pallative effect from poly drug use. I can compensate for what the drugs are doing to my head. You CANNOT do this with dissociatives, at least not until you have a lot of experience and a high(er) tolerance. The physical wobbliness alone is very impairing.

I was with friends who knew what I was on. There were many points during the trip where I was completely out of it, almost walked into traffic before realizing how messed up I was physically and just outsourcing my judgment to friends for example. I also couldn't stand up straight and constantly had to lean on things during the peak (folks, this can put you in great physical danger) and unlike on 2ce and shrooms where I "think" I'm acting irrational or attracting attention but it's really just in my head, on the dissociatives I thought my impairments weren't that noticeable. Go figure!

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(updated w/ more details and a warning)

I have since been using MXE at 10-30mg with excellent results in social situations. The only noticeable side effect is Alice in Wonderland Syndrome ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_in_Wonderland_syndrome ) when sitting down for too long.

I have also tried smoking about 15mg with tobacco and it floored me (almost literally.) It feels like the physical relaxation of your morning cigarette but 100 stronger. After first trying MXE, nicotine/tobacco craving has gone significantly down. Speaking of which.. let me roll a bali shag ... - I still smoke, but sometimes I put the cig out midway wondering why I smoke to begin with ("this causes cancer. wtf?") and the nicotine rush itself just feels much stronger, like I need less tobacco overall. This makes sense being that these drugs may act as dopamine reuptake inhibitors. MDPV feels great on MXE too but highly not recommended.
 
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So, before you take MXE for the first time, you're withdrawing from one kind of antidepressant, and begin supplementing with another kind of antidepressant.

Also, you took 40mg of Xanax in the two days prior.

When the MXE isn't working like you think it should you take 10mg MDPV.

Dude, do you ever consider fucking around with considerably less drugs?
 
Alright so you obvious have a tolerance and experience as a poly drug user, but I find it real hard to believe anyone can hit the highway on 30+mg 2C-E. I mean maybe you can, but I feel like the fractals from the oncoming headlights and road lamps would obscure any and all other vision, not to mention the delayed reaction time and weird effects in the periphery of your body. I'm all about drugs at work, but I find it hard to read that highway comment. The minute you fuck up and kill a family of five you'll change your mind real fast, and hopefully you'd be dead in the wreck as well, to avoid the crushing guilt you'd feel for the rest of your life. Reconsider the driving thing man...
 
do less drugs, also MXE has weird interaction with serotonergic drugs. possibly because MXE might be serotonergic itself
 
Indeed. We at Bluelight do not condone driving while impaired on anything.

this^

I don't condone it either. The keyword is impaired but I removed the comment in the OP. I never drive on any substance if impaired. I pull over to the side of the road and wait or call a sitter.

(also note, the SNRI dulls a lot of the 2C effects so 30mg doesn't hit as hard and it's not as visual, plus there's tolerance. Absolutely NO driving impaired. Do it for other people's sake!)
 
So, before you take MXE for the first time, you're withdrawing from one kind of antidepressant, and begin supplementing with another kind of antidepressant.

Also, you took 40mg of Xanax in the two days prior.

When the MXE isn't working like you think it should you take 10mg MDPV.

I take my pharmaceutical meds daily. The withdrawal issue was an Rx mistake that was cleared up within a few days but did cause me to black out until I began taking the Zoloft. My doctor later told me that what I did here to stabilize the SNRI withdrawal was correct but I do not recommend fucking with effexor/paxil withdrawal! Go to the ER in such a case!

I don't abuse benzos because I'm not confident that they don't cause permanent memory damage, and I cannot work as productively on benzos in my line of work. I also cannot afford to have xanax lose its effects. I most likely did not ingest 30-40mg of xanax. I don't like the effects >1-2mg and the drug was more likely lost or given away. I also have no benzo withdrawal further acting as proof that I did not ingest the missing pills. I didn't bother going into details about this incident because, well, I was close to baseline when ingesting the MXE.

I'm well experienced with MDPV and how it affects me specifically at the purity of my batch, ROA, dosage I take, and taking into account the inaccuracy of my mg scale.

Dude, do you ever consider fucking around with considerably less drugs?

I DO NOT SUGGEST you or anyone else take drugs or mix pharms and street drugs unless you've done your homework and KNOW what you're doing and even then start off very low. My appreciate your concern but my point is that I do my homework on what I'm ingesting and I prep well especially when trying new drugs.

Yes I made a mistake in this case but I planned earlier that 50mg is not a lethal dose, I am with 2 trip sitters and have another experienced trip sitter with a car waiting on call along with several locations where I can safely ride the effects out. I also had Seroquel on hand if needed. Could shit have still been a disaster? Sure. The risks we take.. The overall experience actually wasn't bad at all and I've grown to love MXE (and now use lower doses.) Things could definitely have gone sour FAST if I didn't prep.
 
I have been taking MXE daily (about 50-80mg a day IM/insufflated at 10-15mg bumps periodically) with Zoloft 100mg/daily and Effexor 150mg XR (2x day.) No severe interactions except for mania sometimes if I take too much MXE (~30mg bumps) I don't like the mania and so stick to taking low doses periodically to maintain a pleasant baseline.

The zoloft + Effexor combo alone is dangerous and highly not recommended. That being said, I feel like I only take Effexor to avoid withdrawals and Zoloft actually works very fucking well, especially with MXE.
 
Morning started out shitty: Took daily 1200mg Gabapentin dose and 100mg Zoloft because I'm withdrawing from Effexor XR 150mg BID. Also worth noting is a 30-40mg in 1-2 day xanax black out incident days prior. The SSRI/benzo issues might be the cause

i'm sorry.
 
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