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Bluelighter
Being the 3rd of July the mushys season is still in full swing. I picked up another 50 or so this morning and stumbled across another couple of new sites. They seem to be everywhere this season.
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Mushie Hunting Season 2003
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shorza
Bluelighter
Common Australian Psilocybe Lookalikes
There are a number of mushrooms in Australia that are quite unique and tend to mistaken for psilocybes.
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The first one we have is one of the most common woodlovers to be mistaken for psilocybe species. Found in many woodchip beds and mulch is the reddish capped Stropharia Aurantiaca.
This mushroom has a reddish cap, and a stem that ranges from white and similar to psilocybe subaeruginosa and allies, to a yellowish glaze. The gills are also similar colour but tend to be a lighter brown than the purpleish psilocybe. It stains a slight browny yellow rather than true blue, and can have reddish flecs at the base of the stem. Spores are brownish and not purplish.
This mushroom from friend's experiences, cause severe diaherra and vomiting. One friend spent atleast three hours on the toilet after injesting just three small specimens.
It is commonly mistaken and tend to grow around and near Psilocybe Subaeruginosa proper and variant Australiana in wood-chip beds.
Look for bluestaining, brownish caps and purple tinted spores to seperate the two.
Some links of this mushroom:
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/strophariaceae/strop04.htm
http://www.ftns.wau.nl/imb/research/wrf.html
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/strophariaceae/strop04a.htm
The common Galerina species in Australia can be easily identified.
Firstly they have a stem that can be quite similar in colour to the gill and flesh of the cap. The stem tends towards off white, the cap I have never seen umbonated or nippled in anyway, remaining flat as the cap expands. Brownish to orange. The stem tend to keep an annular ring, or veil remnant ring around the stem, which is rarely the case with Subaeruginosa and allies.
The gills are another indicator of Galerina. They tend to be much more distant than psilocybes (distantly placed between one-another) and are thin and seperate, aggressively attached to the stem, all ending cleanly and abruptly in line with the gill edge and never ascending upwards towards the stem.
Cap colour is orangy brown.
Indicators are the similar colour of cap underside and stem flesh, veil annular rings pronounced on stem, thin seperate gills, and no blue staining. Psilocybes tend to have gills that are much more crowded, brownish and different in flseh colour to the cap top and stem flesh. Look for gills that ascend towards each other and as they move toward the stem, bluestaining and purple brown sporeprints. Annular rings are never found on known Psilocybe woodloving Australian species.
Galerina species reported in America are known to contain similar nasties to Death Caps, and reports of mistaken ingestion in Australia are rare. One such event occured when a Chinese student mistakenly comsumemd what was believed to be Galerina, thinking it was a common Honey mushroom (Armillaria mellea) or (Flammulina velutipes)
Links:
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/cortinariaceae/corti02.htm
Note the similar gill flesh colour to cap.
Taken from HERE, with permission from Bluemeanie.
DO NOT EAT ANY OF THESE!!
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There are a number of mushrooms in Australia that are quite unique and tend to mistaken for psilocybes.
[...]
The first one we have is one of the most common woodlovers to be mistaken for psilocybe species. Found in many woodchip beds and mulch is the reddish capped Stropharia Aurantiaca.
This mushroom has a reddish cap, and a stem that ranges from white and similar to psilocybe subaeruginosa and allies, to a yellowish glaze. The gills are also similar colour but tend to be a lighter brown than the purpleish psilocybe. It stains a slight browny yellow rather than true blue, and can have reddish flecs at the base of the stem. Spores are brownish and not purplish.
This mushroom from friend's experiences, cause severe diaherra and vomiting. One friend spent atleast three hours on the toilet after injesting just three small specimens.
It is commonly mistaken and tend to grow around and near Psilocybe Subaeruginosa proper and variant Australiana in wood-chip beds.
Look for bluestaining, brownish caps and purple tinted spores to seperate the two.
Some links of this mushroom:
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/strophariaceae/strop04.htm
http://www.ftns.wau.nl/imb/research/wrf.html
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/strophariaceae/strop04a.htm
The common Galerina species in Australia can be easily identified.
Firstly they have a stem that can be quite similar in colour to the gill and flesh of the cap. The stem tends towards off white, the cap I have never seen umbonated or nippled in anyway, remaining flat as the cap expands. Brownish to orange. The stem tend to keep an annular ring, or veil remnant ring around the stem, which is rarely the case with Subaeruginosa and allies.
The gills are another indicator of Galerina. They tend to be much more distant than psilocybes (distantly placed between one-another) and are thin and seperate, aggressively attached to the stem, all ending cleanly and abruptly in line with the gill edge and never ascending upwards towards the stem.
Cap colour is orangy brown.
Indicators are the similar colour of cap underside and stem flesh, veil annular rings pronounced on stem, thin seperate gills, and no blue staining. Psilocybes tend to have gills that are much more crowded, brownish and different in flseh colour to the cap top and stem flesh. Look for gills that ascend towards each other and as they move toward the stem, bluestaining and purple brown sporeprints. Annular rings are never found on known Psilocybe woodloving Australian species.
Galerina species reported in America are known to contain similar nasties to Death Caps, and reports of mistaken ingestion in Australia are rare. One such event occured when a Chinese student mistakenly comsumemd what was believed to be Galerina, thinking it was a common Honey mushroom (Armillaria mellea) or (Flammulina velutipes)
Links:
http://www.hiddenforest.co.nz/fungi/family/cortinariaceae/corti02.htm
Note the similar gill flesh colour to cap.
Taken from HERE, with permission from Bluemeanie.
DO NOT EAT ANY OF THESE!!
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shorza
Bluelighter
The Strophoria's in the above links look a little more reddish then the ones i encounter. They have been know to send people to talk into the toilet for a few hours. They do not bruise blue.
Dj ScAtTeRfAcE
Bluelighter
/\ i was gonna say some stropharias can be strikingly simular to subs and they only obvious difference is that they don't bruise blue.....
and when you eat them they make u shit instead of seeing things
and when you eat them they make u shit instead of seeing things
Cpt.Caveman
Bluelighter
yeh, those photos are pretty much spot on.
gawd, gimme a psilocybe already! hehe
gawd, gimme a psilocybe already! hehe
Just some photo`s of blue staining shrooms i accidentally came across.
Not sure of the species but have had a friend verify but ingestion that they're the real deal.
The third photo is from a different location but in the same area. Is there any difference between them or will the colour of the caps vary from how much direct sunlight they get.
Not sure of the species but have had a friend verify but ingestion that they're the real deal.
The third photo is from a different location but in the same area. Is there any difference between them or will the colour of the caps vary from how much direct sunlight they get.
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shorza
Bluelighter
They do look like sub's, but your friend is very silly for eating them without a positive i.d. first.
The colour of the cap will vary greatly due to sunlight and nutrition.
The colour of the cap will vary greatly due to sunlight and nutrition.
jimbu
Bluelighter
jjj yes they're subs.. tell ur friend not to be suck a f*cking d*ckhead again. Eating unidentified mushrooms could result in poisoning, even death.
the variation in colour basically depends on how moist the mushroom is. sub's are hydrophanous... they are a darker colour when moist and become a straw like colour when dry.
the variation in colour basically depends on how moist the mushroom is. sub's are hydrophanous... they are a darker colour when moist and become a straw like colour when dry.
Has anyone here ever picked/eaten any gold tops that didn't stain blue? I have picked what look most like standard p.cubensis in the Adeliade hills, especially around cow shit, and also growing out of grass on a golf course in the north eastern hills there. Both types were active, and almost identical, although the mushies on the golf course were about half the size on average, probably because they were being mowed every couple of days(?) The mushies had sticky golden brown caps, brown-grey-purple gills, and thin white stems, but did not stain blue. The reason I ask is that I found some mushies identical in appearance in Walpole ( South West WA) which also didn't stain blue, but didn't take them for obvious reasons. On another board I was told that it was highly unlikely that they were of the magic variety, but I am not so sure. Any thoughts on this one?
jimbu
Bluelighter
apparently the blueing occurs due to one of the active chemicals (psilocybin or psilocin) forgot which, oxydising.... if they didn't blue, i'd be cautious... if in doubt, take a spore print.
Dj ScAtTeRfAcE
Bluelighter
I'm only familuar with subs but i'd say it'd work the same for gold tops... unless my babies are blue, and the spore print is purple, i don't eat them. It is the psylosibin that oxidises, i believe that when u eat the mushies your body converts the psylosibin into psilosin and that is what makes u trip.
Correct me if i'm wrong, except on the spelling, cos i know that's wrong
peace
Correct me if i'm wrong, except on the spelling, cos i know that's wrong
peace
Thanks for the feedback. I was hoping to hear from some SA people as well, as the gold tops I have picked and eaten there on many occasions have never stained blue, but have definantly been active. It could be that they went bluey/black after a while and I never noticed, but they didn't stain upon picking or in the next hour or so which is usually as long as they lasted Interestingly, I'm sure i've read about non-active poisonous mushies that also stain blue, so that only confuses the issue. Also , does anybody know for sure the 'species' that are prevelant in the adleiade hills? Mushy hunting is widespread and very accessable up there so someone must know.
Interestingly, I'm sure i've read about non-active poisonous mushies that also stain blue, so that only confuses the issue. Also , does anybody know for sure the 'species' that are prevelant in the adleiade hills? Mushy hunting is widespread and very accessable up there so someone must know.
jimbu
Bluelighter
very unlikely, especially at this time of the year.
dung loving mushies (cope cyans and p. cubensis) like warm humid temperatures. certainly not what melbourne experiences in winter
dung loving mushies (cope cyans and p. cubensis) like warm humid temperatures. certainly not what melbourne experiences in winter
Dj ScAtTeRfAcE
Bluelighter
Be very careful when your making a drying chamber... i just lost 10 dried grams of subs which i was saving for summer due to a bump and they're now all laced with sodium chloride 