Multiple Canadian deaths attributed to PMMA

I have the Marquis Reagent test kit, will this show the presence of PMMA? I'm strongly considering using the small stash I have soon, but this thread has me shitting myself... :(

It's molly powder BTW, not a pressie. Fuck the pressies!
 
I can't find anything definitive for PMMA, but some people say there's no colour change. The trouble is, even if there is a change, it's not going to be visible past the dark purple/black of MD(M)A.

I'd bet if you tested a 1:5 MDMA:PMMA mix against pure MDMA you couldn't tell the difference. If you used the same amount (small, so the colour is fairly weak) of each powder you could probably see a difference in the intensity of the colour reaction though, which would tell you the one giving the weaker reaction is likely cut, just not with what. And you'd need a pure sample to compare...
 
Seattle_Stranger said:
^^Those colors look good to me? Isn't dark purple what we want to see? Unless my monitor deceives me...
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I think he meant Left Mandelin and Right Marquis.
He did say that the mandelin was close to the color that would show for PMA, which is green/brown according to the chart I'm looking at. That would make a lot more sense, seeing as the left one is brown..
 
D n A said:
Front page of The Province (British Columbian newspaper) says that the death toll has risen to 6 now. A Langley teen may be the latest victim. According to the paper, the teen took ecstasy on Saturday night, along with other pharmaceuticals, and collapsed later in the early hours of Sunday morning. He was rushed to a local hospital but could not be revived.
Wise words from his friend: "Choose your friends wisely. Follow your gut. Never say 'it won't happen to me.' He was worth so much more than a $5 pill."

They don't know just yet if his death is related to PMMA but I think that it's safe to say that if you plan on popping.. test your shit. It's sad that this has to keep happening. Even worse is the fact that..

Stop telling people not to do drugs. They are going to do them anyway. It would be much more effective if people were educated on how to use drugs "responsibly."
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wow this is getting out of hand. :/ seriously considering ending my MDMA use for a few months till this dies down, it would be a good break anyways.

Not even test kits are 100%, wouldn't risk it with one of them. PMMA is just too dangerous.
 
That doesn't look good at all!

For MDMA I start w/ Mecke - that goes purple/black quickly.
Marquis goes from greenish to blue in my experience.

That chart looks a bit off, imo.

If I had some of my recent batch left I'd test it again and take pictures, but it was all consumed 2 weeks ago..

That said - that right there is why I dislike what I've seen about EZ-test's kits - the convenient packaging makes for muddled test results. The dancesafe kit is much nicer to work with in my opinion, though I don't believe you can get the Mandelin through them (or Robadope).
 
I'm going to test my batch again when I get home and I'll post the results. I remember when I first tested it, it turned INSTANT dark ink-like purple. I also have ingested a very tiny amount I had on my fingertip, and no negative effects resulted.
 
Nathan from DanceSafe here. If anyone can get ahold of a suspected PMMA pill, DanceSafe will pay for the ecstasydata testing of it. Just gotta let me know you're sending it in and add a note to contact Erowid about it (so they don't toss it for not having the copay).
 
Seattle_Stranger said:
FUCK! Angry... :!

I don't know if it's someone actually adding it to the MDMA on purpose, I'm fairly certain it's simply a bi-product from a very amateur synthesis... 8)

God dammit, because of all this, I have some tested MDMA that came out instantly-ink-purple that I'm still scared shitless to take.... Ugh...
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You might check this out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramethoxyamphetamine

PMA has been occasionally found in tablets labeled as MDMA (colloquially known as "ecstasy"), although its effects are markedly different compared to those of MDMA. PMA is commonly synthesized from anethole, the flavor compound of anise and fennel, mainly because the starting material for MDMA, safrole, has become less available due to law enforcement action, causing illicit drug manufacturers to use anethole as an alternative.[6] Once thought to be a human invention,[7] recent research suggests PMA occurs as a trace alkaloid in plants including certain Acacia species.[8]

The paragraph seems indicative that PMA is prominent because the precursors are easier to obtain than those of MDMA... I wouldn't jump to that conclusion just yet though.
 
DSNathan said:
Nathan from DanceSafe here. If anyone can get ahold of a suspected PMMA pill, DanceSafe will pay for the ecstasydata testing of it. Just gotta let me know you're sending it in and add a note to contact Erowid about it (so they don't toss it for not having the copay).
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That's really cool of you guys, I really hope someone can get you a sample of it.
 
The addition of PMMA makes ecstasy far more potent
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I keep seeing some version of this phrase in these PMMA articles, but it is not exactly accurate. The pharmacology of PMMA is different to that of MDMA. PMMA is dangerous because it is simultaneously a serotonergic and an MAOI. It is a difference of type, not degree.

--I think. The pharmacology is similar to PMA's, right?

edit: OK so these pills (or powder) have both PMMA and MDMA? What wicked twisted fucker thought of that?
 
Seems PMMA is an analogue of methamphetamine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Para-Methoxymethamphetamine

PMMA reputedly produces similar effects to PMA, but is apparently slightly more similar to MDMA in effects[1][2] and has slightly less tendency to produce severe hyperthermia, at least at low doses. At higher doses however the side effects and danger of death are just as severe as those of PMA itself.[3]
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From the article linked by S.J.B.

“We have people 30 to 40 years of age who are taking this who should know better — they do know better,” Stuart said.
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^ Oh please, you should know better that someone's age won't necessarily stop them from getting high or drunk. Never has, never will.

This is madness. Seriously. The deaths. I don't think western Canada (and the rest of the country) has ever had so many deaths attributed to PMA/PMMA err sorry I meant "ecstasy," let alone any deaths at all. I could be wrong, but until now, has there even been a documented para-methoxy(meth)amphetamine death in the area? Oh wait, in 1973, there were nine deaths resulting from ingestion of PMA in Ontario[1]. I hope - however futile - this shit doesn't make its way over here.

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1947522/pdf/canmedaj01583-0045.pdf
 
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