MS Contin

[Vipyr]

Hi guys! Im new here, and I was recomended to this site from a friend that I play online gaming with. Anyways, heres the deal. Im 39 yrs old, and about 9 years ago, I ruptured the L3 and L4 discs in my back...mainly from a few snow skiing accidents in Calif when I used to live there. Anyways, after I got out of the hospital, I went back for 3 ephidural steroids shots, about 2 weeks apart, in my back. This fixed me good for about 7 years. 2 years ago the pain has returned, and Im back on the percocet
5-325, and the Lortab 7.5/500.. I have never taken more than 2 pills at one time believe it or not, but I can tell that I have built up a tolerance to them both. So the most in one day that I have ever taken is about 8. Well, it is not cutting the mustard anymore.. I just worry about that other ingredient that is in it that is harmful to your liver, and thats why I dont take more than 2. Is it ok to take 3 or 4 pills at one time, and not worry too much about my liver ?
Now onto the other thing, MS Contin. Just recently I had of all people, a cop buddy of mine give me some 30mg tabs of MS Contin. He told me that I can either just take it like regular pills, or I can suck off the coating, and crush it, then chop it up fine with a razor, and then snort it. Well, I tried taking 1 30mg tab last month, and I really didnt feel anything too much. So a few weeks ago, I snorted 3 of the tabs, about 5 hours apart . This did the trick... HOWEVER, I went cold turky after that, as my back was not hurting anymore, and let me tell you, I went into withdrawls like I have never felt before. I was in bed for 4 straight days, tossing and turning, cold sweats, chills, well, you know the deal. I know if I would have snorted another one, I would have been fine, but I didnt, and I suffered greatly for those 4 days. I would have rather died than go through that depression again. So my question is this.... I dont know a whole lot about pills, but is this MS Contin a pretty dangerous drug.. I mean, that one day I did 3 30 mg tabs, and Im wondering if I am playing with fire here. I read that this has morphine sulphate in it, or that is basicially what it is, am I right ?
I still have about 7 of the tabs left, and my back is once again starting to to go into its regular routine... I want to know how much is too much to take, and I dont want those withdrawls again... Also, how is ms contin compared to oxy. I had oxy before, but only the 20 mg tab, and they both seem to have the same feel. Anyways, I appreciate your feedback on this, and just wondering what you recomend... or if I should just stay on the lortabs and percocet.... I like the ms contin better, but not if Im going to feel the way I did coming down from it. Thanks in advance... From Arizona...

Mark

 

[Partykid12]

Honestly I dont know why you would feel withdrawl from the MScontins any differently from the Percocets. Are you sure it wasn't from taking percocets daily and quitting? taking 4 MScontins shouldnt have done that. For just pain, MsContins are good, but to get high they suck. In my opinion I much rather take Oxycontin than MsContins.. they do more for me. Then again, I snorted 100mg of MsC's and it didn't phase me.. so I dont know...

Funny how the cop told you to snort them, hehe. Good luck.

 

[ceryc]

welcome to bl please, in the future try spacing out your post, using paragraphs and seperating your questions. this makes it easier for us to see, and therefore help you. thanks man!

now, i would say, take no more than 60-90mg mscontin for pain without a tolerence. i normally would not say that much, but you have taken more and nothing bad happened, so maybe you need it.

for how many lortabs/percoset to take. you said 8 a day, is this normal for you? the amount of hydrocodone isn't that big a deal, the problem is how much adap you are taking. that large amount regularly can be bad, esp if taken for years instead of weeks. a single high dose of acetaminophen can be fatal from liver damage, esp if greater than ~4-6 grams. however, i belive long term regular use is just as bad for the liver. if anyone can back this up or disprove me, let me know. also, are you drinking any alcohol? this would not be advisable. taking three or four at once is possible, but be careful. i recomend you not do this, but that's just me.

personally, i would go to my doc and demand a script upgrade to oxycontin's, probably a high strength like 80mg. more than likely he would start you at 40mg, but even that would be better. if you are having to increase your dose for tolerence with a drug containing acetaminophen, it is time to switch to another more powerful one. don't suffer in pain, and don't kill your liver. this is all assuming you use a doctor to get your pills. if not, i suggest you should do so. again, just me.

i think your withdrawl was more due to your perc/lortab use than mscontin. msC isn't that powerful a drug, and five 30mg pills would put you into addiction, esp with snorting, which is very inefficient when it comes to morphine. there may have been a comedown, but 4 days? i think more from your other pills.

that's my adivce, please keep us advised of what happens. peace.

edited for sleepy stupidity.

 

[Vipyr]

Thanks for the replies. I have been on the percocet 5/325 for about 5 years or so. And until recently, I have never taken more than 4 tablets in a 24 hour period. The Lortabs are the same way, but they are 7.5/500. A few times in the past, before I ever took oxy contin or ms contin, I had quit for a week at a time, and never once had anxiety or the withdrawls from the perc or the lortabs. Now you guys have me thinking, maybe it was some virus that I got or something. I know a friend of mine who does not take pills got the same thing I did, and about the same time, yet we were not around each other.

Anyways, back to the ms contin. You dont think that this was the problem then right ? And you say that there are better ways to take it rather than snorting it? Let me guess Crush it into powder, and eat it ? Can you mix it in a beverage ?

I have been snorting 30 mg tabs at a time, and it gets me buzzed real quick, but only lasts for about 2 hours if that.

Back to the percocets and lortabs... let me get this right.. the 2nd number on the bottle is the amount of the acetm whatever its called ? Like my percocets are 3/325 The 325 is the amount of the acet ? And the lortabs 7.5/500 The 500 is the amount of the acet ? Ok, lets say my tolerance is average, but I have only taken 2 tabs at any one time , how much can I increase that to get a good high, and kill this back pain ? Maybe 3 tabs at 1 time? Im 6ft2, 190 lbs, if that helps..

Again, thanks for the quick replies...

 

[Droop]

Dude with your back condition and the fact you are experiencing pain, you should be on oxycontin 40mg's or MsContin 100mgs. The shit your doctors are giving is shit opiates fiends like us get for our wisdom teeth. I recommend going for oxycontin and then you may be worked up to fentanyl, and god knows how much fun you can have with that drug.
If you have any concerns just email me, ill give you a few tips.

 

[Partykid12]

Ehh, I dont think the doctor is going to give him 40mg of Oxycontin.

But yea to answer your question, there are better ways of using mscontins... crush it up in a shot glass of water and microwave for about 15 seconds.. take out, stir and take the shot. I found that the high lasts about 2 hours but the effects last about 6 hours. If you were to get a 100mg MScontin then you could probably swallow the whole thing and have it help you the whole day. Good luck.

 

[Vipyr]

Soma

The doctor also had given me some soma tabs, 350 mg... .and I just took 2 of them for the first time, and the only thing I got out of them is that Im tired, and want to sleep.... so much for that....
I tried to get the doc to give me at least 20 mg of oxy contin, and he said no way... too many problems going on with that drug, and people abusing it LOL!!!... But these somo pills, Im not really keen on them. Time to go take 3 percocets or something for now

 

[Partykid12]

Soma pills are muscle relaxers.. they dont really do much for my pain..

 

[day_for_night]

fisrt off, you need to get yourself a new doctor. or tell the one you have to give you something better (oxycontin or something similar), cause what you are on now isnt strong enough. and yes, taking apap every day in the doses you are taking isnt good for your liver. mention that to your doc as well...i cant beleive some docs do this shit, they are fucking up peoples livers.

secondly, you did not get withdrawals from taking a few ms contins. it was most likely from the FIVE years you have been taking percocet...next time dont quit cold turkey...taper yourself off over the course of a few weeks (even then you may still feel a few withdrawal symptoms).

 

[Vipyr]

So what you are saying is taking 5 to 8 5/325 percocets a day is bad for you ? Yes, I have taken them for 5 years, but not every single day.... sometimes a week without any, sometimes a few days without any...... I find it hard to believe that some people are taking as much as 6 at one time, but yet my 5-8 per 24 hour period is bad .... let me know

 

[day_for_night]

taking them over a full day is not much different from taking them at once, as far as processing all that apap is concerned. people who take 6 at once generally are doing it to get high, and usually arent doing it every day (those who do are not using their heads). in short, yes taking 5-8 percs per day for any length of time is bad for you, ESPECIALLY if you drink even semi-frequently.

 

[Vipyr]

Thanks day_for_night. I dont drink at all actually. So no problem mixing booze with pills.
Anyways, took my first 2 Soma pills, and I wont be taking those anymore. They do nothing but put me to sleep....As far as ms contin, I like the high, but it kind of makes me feel sketchy, which brings back old memories from when I was a teenager, if you know what I mean. Took 2 5/325 percs after I woke up, and Im feeling fine... and I never get side effect from perc or vicodin. Im also going to parachute a 30 mg tab of ms contin, as I am tired of snorting them, they are messing up my sinuses..

So do you think I should hit my doctor up for some 20 or 40 mg oxy contins ? Im just about out of the ms contins anyways. He already said no several months ago... mabye you are right, I should find a new doctor... but from what I hear, there are not a whole lot of doctors who perscribe these pills unless you have cancer.....

 

[Partykid12]

Another thing, if you want to help your liver out from all the pills you have been taking, do it a favor and go out and buy some Milk Thistle. When I was addicted to Vicodin, thats what I took and my liver is fine.

 

[Vipyr]

Thanks, will do that.. My wife is a health and herb person, and she knows all about it.. Will pick some up tomorrow....

 

[silverfucked]

It is hard to type whilst nodding

First off, some of you are giving him info for getting high.. The goal is pain manegment.. going any higher than the lowest effective dose is only gonna fuck up pain managment later in life..

Personally, I would say get a new doctor, or at least make it very apparent that you are being underprescribed... However, you cant just waltz in in and demand a script for oxy 80s as someone said.. Oxycontin is a snestive drug, what with all the negative hype..

But do find a doctor that lets you have input into what you are prescribed.. I think Oxy 40's are to strong.. ive been abusing opiates off and on for 2 years now, and one whole intact Oxy 40 will have me nodding at the 3 hour mark.. Not practical if you plan to try and live your life on these.. However, oxycontin is way better than Mscontin.. Not just in the euproia area, but the analgesia.. Id say a 20mg Oxycontin ever 8-12 hours would be very good for your problem... 40's would be for someone with a serious burn or cancer.. 80s are for tolerant people only...

It is ludicrous that your doctor has had you on percocet for longterm servere pain managemnet... One or two 10/500s(hydro.. oxy would be 7.5/500) a day, your liver could probably handle indefinitly as its more about quantity of APAP in stead of time.. However any high doses should require an analgesic with no APAP...

Another plus about OXycontin compared to MScontin is that oxycodone is more of a pure mu opiate agonist, where morphine is pretty mixed... This means that oxy and morphine are both very good at analgesia, but morphine is going to leave you more drowsy and slowed down than oxy... Oxy leaves you much more functional in places besides home.

Also, if you arent object to taking multiple pills a day, dont have an addictive personality towards opiates, or find that an oxycontin 20 isnt strong enough, but an oxycontin 40 is too strong, you could look into OxyIr(oxycondone instant release). Thses are just pills with 5mg oxycodone and no APAP... So you spare yourself the liver damage, and can gauge your analgesia alot better as you take multiple pills thruout the day as your pain worsens or lessens.... However addiction is much easier with these, if you are one who seeks euphoria from opiates..

One other option that you could into is Duragesic patches, or transdermal(abosrbed thru the skin) fentanyl.... I dont know the conversion from oxycontin to duragesic, but probably a 50 or 75ug patch would work... The good thing about thse is they last for 2-3 days! However duragesic is a commitment, and serious shit, so if your condition doesnt warrant pain managment 24 hours a day, id stay away from these.. remember, you do have to detox sometime,.. Also, I believe these are even rarer than oxycontin, perscrition wise, and might not even have the chane to get them, even if you think they are the most appropriate for your needs.

Either way, get yourself some milk thistle, have a "word' or two with your doctor, and get yourself something that works.. Good luck!