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Opioids MS Contin What's the Diff

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opivet

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I'm confused (no surprise) if the extended release matrix system whatever is so bulletproof then how can even plugging a ms contin make any difference. If the morphine is bonded with the matrix on a molecular level then what difference does it make what way you ingest/ deliver it into your system. Please explain.
 
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I could never understand this either but the people that have plugged it say its the best next thing to iving morphine, so.................
 
^^^It's really not even close to I.M. let alone IV.But if you do manage to get MS contin into a solution it can be shot/plugged.
 
I would be extremely hesitant if you plan using any form of parenteral ROA! The SR agent is well bonded to the morphine, you don't want this in your veins! :S

There are ways of extracting the morphine from the SR agent - a quick search here on BL will give you answers (tip : it's not easy! :\)

Plugging works for the same reason why sublingual administration works - the area is very venous allowing the MSC to dissolve and transfer into the bloodstream.
 
Don't IV, never have, but SWIM (do we have to use SWIM here??) would like to try some nice China White or something sometime but not pills. Have read so much scary stuff here about it he's afraid to even if he had an expert helping him do it.
still don't get how the time release can be negated by just mixing with hot water and plugging or even sublingually (sp?) wow that would be cool. Are there any other special preparation details for defeating the matrix or is just the same old rub off the outer coating thenmix in hot H2O and that's it?
 
Don't waste your pills shooting them up your ass..!! I tried plugging about 90mg mixed in hot water, and did NOT feel anything..?? The only I.V. Morphine I have done has been in a hospital shot in me by an RN. Unless you have the real deal don't waste your time, and pills..!! Keep that Fear, and it will keep you Alive..!!
 
Make sure your bowels are clear if you try rectal admin. As tyrael said, plugging works like sublingual by the pill being spread over a membrane. You don't necessarily have to filter the pieces apart like you should for IV use.
 
Do you guys find that taking morphine orally is better or worse than snorting, altho I knw what the charts say, it doesnt mean it works that way for everyone.
 
You can plug some morphine sulphate pills- it works much better than oral or snorting- the IR ones are good (Sevredol, for instance, work well). The ER/LA pills are trickier, but it can be done- in my country there is no heroin, everyone buys morphine pills and 'turns' them with 'double' -Acetic Anhydride- in their kitchen.

You need to grind the pills (MS-contin) or little beads (M-eslon) up into a fine powder (this is much more difficult than you think), two spoons works best. Put the pill powder in a spoon and add a small amount of baking soda- street wisdom says '1/8th as much baking soda as there is powder', less is is more, but it's all just eyeballed- and mix the two together somewhat evenly then spread the powder into a neat little O ring in the centre of a spoon. Add a little water, a couple of ml is all thats needed to make the mix a runny paste which you should try to spread evenly (but not too thinly) in th spoon. Cook off the water on a stovetop, stopping to cool the spoon regularly so you don't burn the paste. Filter with cotton, or better yet, a wheelfilter. No one shoots morphine here, you get a pill and turn it or you don't bother with the pill.

That is just the first step of homebake, but that's how we break the wax pill matrix's in NZ. I would speculate that the acetic anhydride may also help free the morphine from the wax, but yeah, it works for us so it should work for you? I'm fairly sure you can also just 'crisp' the powdered pills in a spoon, then extract the morphine from the spoon with water- the wax melts and sticks to the spoon while the morphine sulphate remains water soluble, but I've never not used Baking soda.

Oh and to the above poster- morphine sulphate sucks ass nasally, that is why they use the sulphate form as far as I can see. I once came across some morphine Hydrochloride which was indeed worth snorting. If you could get a bunch of pills (say 1-3g worth, which you bloody americans and your cheap morphine could afford- I'm just bitter) and extract the morphine, it would be fairly simple to convert it from the shitty sulphate to the godlike hydrochloride.

Oral morphine is all about dosage, if you can get a dose that is appropriate for your tolerance (which people often don't do- I need 300mg oral to nod and I have a moderate chipper tolerance, there ain't no oxy/hydro/whatever here. I plug 30mg methadone for fun) oral morphine is moderately euphoric, very sedating and has some legs. Also be aware that if you're abusing ER pills they will get you less high but last longer- when I was taking a lot of morphine orally I would often mix and match for best effect, plug 30mg IR morphine and swallow a 120mg ER, as the initial dose was starting to wear off the ER would be kicking in properly and I'd be able to maintain a plateau much longer.
 
tyrael said:
AA precipitates acetylation of morphine into diacetylmorphine (heroin). Does it also remove the glue matrix coating the morphine molecule, I'm not 100% sure. :\
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What I mean is, I presume the theory with the baking soda is to convert it from the sulphate to the freebase and in doing so 'break' the matrix and free the morphine/prepare it to be converted into diamorphine with AA, but I don't know how effective the method with work if you don't turn the pills before redissolving/filtering/consuming (where, once you get use to it, you can get 95% of the diamorphine out of the leftover pill-gunge on the first wash)- there could be weird reactions relating to refluxing the pill matrix in a acidic environment that help seperate all of the morphine from the wax shit.

I'm mainly trying to put up some qualifiers so if someone tries it and it doesn't work as well as it does for us, then we can assume that my method for extracting the morphine from MS-Contin/M-Eslon pills only works if you do the whole routine of cooking the morphine into diamorphine using AA.

I might try extracting a pill without turning it to see how it goes, if there's any interest in/need for a guide to prepping different morphine pills for IV I could probably endevour to take photos of the processes. Morphine is real big news in NZ, you see... You should track down some double, yes it's controlled, but you only need tiny quantities that aren't tracked in the same way- if people in NZ get it surely you'll be able to find some in the states and other proper countries.
 
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