Ms Contin or hydromorphone

[L2G]

definitly not afraid of needles , i just dont choice to go down that ugly path

 

[thursday]

it's not an ugly path if you moderate your usage. don't think you won't develope a serious opiate addiction just because you're not injecting it.

 

[Deformed_Neuron]

Yeah... well, I don't have an Opiate tolerance (...I don't think I do anyways..), and scraping off the green waxy shit on the pill has worked wonders for me.

As I said before, 200mg is still a decent dose of Morphine. I don't know one-hundered percent if scraping the green outside layer of the pill will deem it more "effective" to all... but it sure as hell appears so to me... and I get quite a satisfactory high when doing it. So, I won't complain.

Me, myself, personally? I personally wouldn't go around advising people to inject tablets... even with the micron-filters it doesn't filter out 100% of the shit. There's plenty of threads on here advising against the injection of any pill. It's also one of the first things physicians, etc... advise their patients not to do.

I don't think L2G is thinking of IV'ing anyways... he clearly stated that he snorts.

 

[thursday]

generic morphine tablets are usually relatively safe to IV compared to most street drugs. i'd much rather IV morphine tablets than cocaine or even heroin since i can be sure of the purity of the drug. street drugs can potentially contain cuts which may pose much more of a health risk than the inactive binders and fillers in pharmaceutical tablets. and when you get down to it, snorting all those binders and fillers is probably much more damaging to your body than injecting a filtered solution.

it's just that ms-contins, oxy-contins etc. have built in time release which are hard to bypass for safe intravenous administration. scraping off the colored coating on the pills does little to bypass the time-release although crushing the pills into powder and then snorting it, or simply chewing the pills does allow the morphine to be absorbed more rapidly.

but once again, the effects are significantly less intense than simply injecting the hydromorphone. it's like comparing apples and oranges.

 

[thursday]

Ok... I'm not going to go any further in this. I'm only going by what I've read off of the internet and/or heard from others.
Pills... with the binders/fillers contain alot of harmful plastics, etc... I wouldn't want this shit in my bloodstream if I was IV'ing. Healthy veins are almost crucial to a healthy lifestyle. I'm not going to go into the technics of it... but my mum (works in health industry) has seen many injectors (from injecting shit like pharms with binders, etc...) and has told me that dirty/unhealthy veins can make way for a very inconvenient/unhealthy lifestyle.

Common fillers include talcum powder, yeast, starch and sugar. Binders are mostly made of wax or shellac. Of these, only the water-soluble components are injected into the body so you don't have to worry about the wax or talcum powder. None of these are "harmful plastics." I don't know where you heard that from. You'll have to go into more details about the actual damage done by injecting these water-soluble binders and fillers.

I'm not saying you're gonna die if you shoot pharmaceutical drugs every now and then... but, I think it's definately a risk (unhealthy veins, etc...)... enough of a risk. To detour people from injecting "nasites".

Let me just respond with an exerpt from erowid:
Snorting pills is generally a bad idea. First of all, fillers can be bad for your nasal passages, and can do serious damage to the lungs when inhaled. Many pills contain cellulose and chalk, which pass through your intestines harmlessly when taken orally, but can be very destructive if they get into the lungs...since they are not water soluble.

On top of the potential physical damage, it's unclear that snorting crushed up pills is any more effective than taking them orally. It's possible that fillers and binders in a pill could act as a buffer, stopping the material from coming into contact with the mucous membranes until such time as it is blown out when the nose is blown. This seems more likely the smaller the dosage of material in a pill (1/2 a mg of material is pretty small). In this scenario, less of the drug might be absorbed if snorted than if it were simply swallowed.

Ohhh, I thought I might add... what would you prefer to be intravenously injecting thursday?? Plastics, or... something along the lines of Quinine?
Either way... I don't mean to sound "antiIV"... I just don't think it hurts to tell people the possible risks/dangers that are associated with it's abuse.

Would you prefer to be insufflating plastic or quinine?

Plastic generally isn't put in anything designed for human consumption. Even if it were, plastic isn't soluble in water so the only way you'd actually get any of the plastic in your body is if you snort it or eat it. You won't find Quinine in any of your pills unless you're trying to get high off of malaria medication as 25mg or more produces acute toxicity in humans whether you are eating it or injecting it.

Your nose will get fucked through insufflating over a long period of abuse. No doubt about that. I've seen the victims of Coke abuse who use this method of administration quite frequently. But... it's not very often you see a coke-addict with holes in their nose...
Heroin addicts with tracks, that will only allow themselves to wear long sleeved tops, even in the summer...
well, I have seen/heard it many-a-time.

You're just in denial then.

generally the safest way to take pills is to just take them orally. IV injecting or insufflating crushed pills can both be potential health risks but it's hard to say whether one is safer than the other. i guess if i were you i'd just chew up one of the ms-contins and wait for it to kick it. but be careful to match your dosage with your current tolerance and try to moderate your usage as the biggest health risk here is still overdose and dependency.

 

[psychedelicmushman]

I just got 60 60 milligrams of MS. Cotin. And I like it
I know its not the best Morphine in the world. I would rather have OC. But U can't always get what u want
so i just eat and i'm itching my ass off right now i will say that

peace peeps

 

[LikuidKid]

by OC you mean Oxycodone? Oxycodone is not morphine, although it is closely related.

 

[thursday]

i don't think anyone has ever claimed that Quinine produces any sort of a rush even if combined with heroin. if it were combined with heroin, the only rush you'd get would still be from the heroin alone. And is definitely not a particularly safe or even logical cutting agent(from a dealer's perspective) for heroin.

and i never recommended injecting pills, i'm just supplying the facts and correcting the misinformation being posted. you really ought to be more critical of your sources and read my posts more carefully.

a lot of your posts are extremely misleading as i've pointed out earlier.

 

[thursday]

generally the safest way to take pills is to just take them orally. IV injecting or insufflating crushed pills can both be potential health risks but it's hard to say whether one is safer than the other. i guess if i were you i'd just chew up one of the ms-contins and wait for it to kick it. but be careful to match your dosage with your current tolerance and try to moderate your usage as the biggest health risk here is still overdose and dependency.

give it up already...

 

[fukhed14]

im a chronic pain patient with dilaudid 90 pill script a month, and 20 pill t3's a month. im also a junkie. with a HUGE HABIT.

i get mscontins, and msirs illicitly.... to tide me over.

msirs are good but D is the best drug. shit duration, but the rush makes anything else pale in comparison. neber had oxyomorphone though... so it could not be the best. but d beats any heroin ive had but one time when i had some "pure" shit (so i was told anyway)

however, my habit far excides my script. so my slipped disk and knee [problems bother me ALOT.

i am going to have my mom hold my pills and hand them out as perscribed. because i shot 90 d's in 3 days instead of being SMART. pain is worse then not having a fix. i NEED these meds. they are the ONLy effective pill for my pain with little to no side effects... it is a miricle drug for my DELIBILITATING HORRIFYING PAIN. but i cant be trusted with my pills alone...

anyway more relevant:

D's = if you dont inject, dont bother if they are expensive... i pay 10 bucks for 90 pills, so i can do them however. but i still inject, even low doses for pain relief reasons.

mscontin = HORRIBLE drug. gels when you try to inject and takes awful awful solvents and a doctorate in chemistry (or so it seems) to turn into an iv-able drug that wont cause DVT. the one use it has is potentiating an MSIR high or aleviating withdrawals.

MSIRs = great babies. good in the needle good in the nose.


as for what d choose? D of course. better for nose and needle. realy though, snortng these drugs when you could inject is like jacking off in front of a girl you could ahve asex with. the girl of your dreams i might add. its just stupid... and for the weak minded.

 

[Temeraroius]

I personally prefer hydromorphone pills over oxy.

 

[COMET420]

Dilaudids (Hydromorphone) are a unique opiate. If snorted, I would say you do have to do at least 8 mg to feel anything. After snorted, the rush isn't as intense as Oxycontin but the euphoric effects last longer than Oxy's. Also, I feel that when I snort oxycontin, I love the immediate rush but it seems in to short of a time, I want more. You don't necessarily feel this as much with hydromorphone. As long as you snort enough, you are content with the high and don't have to anticipate doing more. I have never even tried MS Contin, as I really would like to though. Why not ask for a trial run with both? Then after choose which you liked better