Most visual dissociative?

[lolusername]

What dissociative drug has the most visual activity out of them all, generally? I know DXM can get pretty visual for some, but I only managed to get DXM visuals a handful of times. So I guess the question should be what is the most consistently visual dissociative?

 

[Ralt]

I find they're all incredibly visual, if you take enough. and never too much open-eyed, you gotta try and give yourself sense deprivation and truly dissociate.

 

[lolusername]

The only visuals I ever got on DXM were closed eye. I once got simple line-visuals that I could control on 700mg, and had an INCREDIBLE visual experience on 354mg + weed, but I could never get to quite the same point ever again, :<

 

[Sientist]

The most visual dissociative substance and combination I've come across is the mixture of MXE and a potent cannibanoid such as AM-2201. Read my post in the MXE Combination thread to get a jist of my experience and experimentations.

 

[psood0nym]

^I agree on the combination idea. The most consistently visual (visuals being of the dissociative variety) dissociative combo I've used is DXM/ondansetron/MXE/buprenorphine (350mg/16mg/60mg rectal/0.4mg IM) with a few hits of cannabis for good measure. I've only done the combo twice, but both times had the strongest "signal to noise" ratio in terms of mind movies/3D virtual environment/hynagogic-like visions and other dissociative visual phenomena relative to impaired motor coordination and amnestic effects. MXE is probably the most consistently visual SINGLE dissociative I've used (I've tried all the major and a few rare ones), but it's still not that consistent. DXM is extremely inconsistent in this regard for me when used by itself, but on the rare occasion when I get mind movies from it they probably have the most vivid imagery out of the dissociatives.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

I used to get mad visuals on dxm, not li,e psychs ag all really. But I've seen a floating grim reaper looking thing with a scythe and a goat skull head, which swung its scythe at me. Lol, pretty dark, but it wasn't scary t the time.

That was open eye as well, though, I was stoned as well so that's a factor. Probable 450mgs or so on that exp. I've als seen weird double vision effects on the same combo, not like a drunk spinning room kind of double vision, a solid and lucidly observable double vision. I saw my friend with 4 eyes, very alien looking, almost remains me of the checking into the hotel scene of fear and loathing. A strange alien animationlike the lady behind the counter, but with 4 eyes lol

CEVs though, holy fuckin shit. I would drift into fully Intelligable dreams on dxm with my eyes closed. I remember seeing this musical-like scene of a whole town singing together, didn,'t remember about what exactly though. I saw a camera view of some people singing and then the camera would scroll to a different part of the town, where the singing would be seamlessly taken up by this part of towns occupants. Lol, very disney-esque. At the end of the song, the town had all come together in something of a town square, where all their songs merged into one big criscendo (right word?, lol maybe not), very cliche musical like. Anyways I thought consciously, I must've fallen asleep as the momentum of the dream sequence was continuing to build. But right when I thought that, I opened my eyes as the song was completed.

Another time I 'saw a song by system of a down 'turn into a dream as I closed my eyes. The dream sequence seamlessly encompassed all te sounds, as though it ere an alternate view of the same stimulus...kinda like when you fall asleep and your dream engages and starts from all the stimukus in your room or whatever...

But I haven't done other disassociatives other than no2, which I find repetative and mundane. And alas I'm done with my disassociating in this life, I'm strictly a Tripper now lol. Sorry I couldn't help more than to ramble about my own success with disaxsociative visuals lol

 

[J.Wallace]

I found Ketamine and Nitrous to be fairly visual. Ketamine made me see squiggly lines in my vision, and Nitrous makes a similar effect, but it adds more of a cloudy aura around my vision. I haven't done Disassociates enough to really say which are the most visual though. Wish I had more access to Ketamine though.

 

[Mr.Hedges]

I'm going to go with ketamine for being the most visual that I have tried. You have to IV or IM it to really get the amazing visual affects. I watched my friend turn into what I liked to call a spaghetti monster, arms extending into thin noodle like shapes flailing around the room as soon as I took the needle out...Pretty damn fun and intense, very geometric and colorful.
Put about 75-100mgs of MXE in a blunt with some REAL trees, not that JWH AM-226955412 BULLSHIT, put on some wonderful acid jazz, spark that shit and you will find yourself in a wonderland of colorful visuals. Definitely one of the most unique disco experiences that I have ever had, and I've taken 1200mgs of DXM numerous times.
But for straight up lose your shit visuals...you've got to give PCP the win for that. Whether you like the drug or not...you will MOST DEFINITELY be seeing some crazy shit.
Be safe. Have fun. Listen to Tobacco while on dissociatives if you never have before. And watch some National Geographic shit about outer space. Top shelf night right there...

 

[nthron]

I wouldn't called JWH or AM series bullshit. they work quite well and am-2201 even adds quite a bit of dissociation.

i've got some pretty interesting visuals with 3-meo-pcp. walking around in the dark on a high dose dxm is definitely the most visual for me. my entire field of vison is completely full of moving colors, patterns, and sometimes even creatures. high dose mxe visuals are okay but nothing compared to the others. I've heard good things about 4-meo-pcp but never got my hands on any. if you have experience with any 2c-x try a combo dose(dxm combo seems kinda dangerous so i'd stay away from that one). mxe and 2c-e is quite the experience. weed is required for all of these

 

[Mr.Hedges]

I have tried 4-meo-pcp and found it to be a joke. Very limited ROA's, not very dissociating AT ALL, and it definitely will not get you were you want to be if you are an experienced user. Plus there are a TON of quality concerns about the 4-meo-pcp, even from reputable vendors so be careful. DXM was always my favorite, but I just can't get the syrup down anymore, it's not worth it to take the time to do an extraction, I've never had a good trip off of the gel caps, and it's a waste of time to order the powder when MXE is more fun anyways in WAY smaller doses. I also find that drinking with dissociatives usually makes me and many others nauseous pretty much ruining the experience. I've tried 2c-B a few times maybe 5+ years ago and it was pretty entertaining, comparable to some decent acid with my experiences at the time, but I'm pretty sure that it's become a pretty big NO-NO where I live at...
Have fun, safe trippin everybody....We don't need any more restrictions on how much fun we are allowed to have in our lives...so don't be THAT GUY!

 

[Albion]

Put about 75-100mgs of MXE in a blunt

Holy shit.

That must have been brutal on so many levels...Getting the thing to burn properly...The taste of the MXE smoke...The rapid onset of fuck'dness.

You're either real brave or real foolish :D

 

[Sientist]

Yeah I definitely wouldn't call AM-2201 shit... I would rather replace it in my experiments with some really strong hash unfortunately I'm not in the position to acquire that. Also as a powder one can achieve a high level of dissociation and psychedelia with one strong, correctly measured rip. My Cat in the hat just no shit couple minutes ago learned that the hard way... waking me up thinking he was dieing. I quicky picked up his bag full of puke, sat him down, told him next time to not eat so he wouldn't have to experience the 'cleansing', and that he would be fine, to tell himself he will be fine, and to go look in the mirror so he may see himself dieing (ego-death) but still alive in the physical world so that he may find out how important his life is and why he shouldn't spend it day by day doing menial tasks... Out of the same experience I was able to feel a spark of creativity that made me manage my life so that I may step out into this world with a mission.. a quest if you will, to help everyone else that has a close mind or eager to open their minds so that they may see what I've seen and experience what I've experienced... So they may be enlightened.

Anyways, my friend just came back from the mirror asking me why I left him stuck in the mirror for 40 years... even though it's been 3 minutes. Pretty funny. I'll put another post or edit this after he's had a chance to recollect his experience and share it. Before I leave however let me say that you don't have to experience these extreme trips of dissociation and psychedelia to experience enlightenment or the truth about yourself... from what I've learned you can achieve the same thing via baby steps and controlled trips... However if you wanna take the short route, please do it safely. Make sure you always have a sitter to tell you you'll be fine (if you're experiencing extreme ego-death for the first time), to keep you away from calling 911 (unless you're seriously dieing via checking heart rate etc.) and to guide you in a sense of opening your mind so that you may experience so much more then just a 'trip'...

As a sitter I find it very enlightening myself guiding individuals and seeing their experience happen in the physical world. It's always funny seeing them 'touching walls of energy', but its so much more fulfilling sitting them down, putting them in front of a mirror, then telling them to kill themselves (not literally obviously, that's why the sitter is there) and to be reborn with their true meaning in this life. Those who have not experienced this will be surprised... those that have I'm sure know exactly what I'm talking about.

Have a safe trip.

Edit:

Holy shit.

That must have been brutal on so many levels...Getting the thing to burn properly...The taste of the MXE smoke...The rapid onset of fuck'dness.

You're either real brave or real foolish :D

I find that the foolish always learn the hard & quick way to be brave... but through that grow to be wise.

 

[<SpaceHead>]

I definitely get the most visual activity from Ketamine. Lots of strange open eyed dream like illusions. At first it makes everything seem like its a fake t.v. stage with artificial lighting and props, like I realized everything in reality is merely a shadow of other objects in some greater reality. Sometimes my own body seems like an inanimate object. Things around me become totally unfamiliar and sortof break apart into strange fragments that drift back into some greater darkness like everything is floating in a huge void. In the hole I get alot of like moving through some endless grid of energy/ information type stuff, although so much of the visual activity is so strongly tied to the psychological aspect for me its almost impossible to separate.

The most visually amazing experience I've had on any drug combination by far was DMT + Ketamine. Usually DMT smoked to me is so fast that I have trouble appreciating the images because they're gone before I realize it, but with ketamine they exist in some vats timeless space and become even more 3D. I've experienced my mind as a single point of awareness propelled through vast towers of complex architecture, strange snake like creatures spiraling around in the space. At one point I saw tiny golden glowing people taking my body apart and put it back together, which actually felt amazing. This combination made me feel like I was god and nothing simultaneously expanding across the entire universe. There's something very special about dissociatives + tryptamines.

 

[<SpaceHead>]

I have tried 4-meo-pcp and found it to be a joke. Very limited ROA's, not very dissociating AT ALL, and it definitely will not get you were you want to be if you are an experienced user.

It is a hassle to get high on this drug, although if you plug about 150 - 200mg of 4-meo-pcp that is not contaminated with half PCC you will hole on it. It's not as visual as a K hole but it's a very warm and euphoric feeling and very deep psychologically. Every other ROA has been a disappointment, snorting it hurts like 10x worse than 2C-X chemicals!

 

[Sientist]

At first it makes everything seem like its a fake t.v. stage with artificial lighting and props, like I realized everything in reality is merely a shadow of other objects in some greater reality. Sometimes my own body seems like an inanimate object. Things around me become totally unfamiliar and sortof break apart into strange fragments that drift back into some greater darkness like everything is floating in a huge void. In the hole I get alot of like moving through some endless grid of energy/ information type stuff, although so much of the visual activity is so strongly tied to the psychological aspect for me its almost impossible to separate.

The most visually amazing experience I've had on any drug combination by far was DMT + Ketamine. Usually DMT smoked to me is so fast that I have trouble appreciating the images because they're gone before I realize it, but with ketamine they exist in some vats timeless space

I agree with almost everything you've said except I do prefer MXE > Ket just because it gives me a more lucid feeling of control. I also experience the breaking apart of objects usually my physical body feels like its being shattered apart from top to bottom. I've also experienced what feels like a spiritual connection from my head beaming up or a power entity maybe even 'God' grabbing the top of my head with great force. It's interesting when you experience the breaking away of your body and sitting in front of the mirror though. Some people can't handle it because they think what they are experiencing is real though getting stuck in a mirror forces you to realize what's happening isn't happening in the physical world. Also, your DMT + Ket trials sound pretty similar to my trials with MXE + AM-2201 + Isolation tank in the sense of being able to completely remember, control and realize the experience... while the experience of the Isolation Tank alone feels more like a spiritual / physical rejuvenation instead of a trip.

I find it very important to grip both realities and recollect (a shower during the MXE comedown does wonders) so that you may be able to figure out a way to piece both realities, your spiritual one and the physical world, in a way that won't make you seem / go insane in the physical world.

I always tell myself at the end of a spiritual journey, "You think, therefore you are... You've experienced, therefor it's real". Contemplate.

 

[mesial]

MDA, cannabis, and nitrous was by far the most intense closed eyed visuals I've had outside of DMT. Incredible stuff!

 

[Ecstuhcy]

Prolly DXM
Try 600 mgs of DXM, in unison with cannabis or nitrous. You can try inhalents, but they aren't that safe.
I only done DXM once, at 300 mgs and got no hallucinations so i must of done something wrong. Next time ill try on an empty stomache and close my eyes while laying down on the floor at night time.

 

[bluedolphin]

Both DXM and Ketamine have completely warped my open eye vision into different realities on multiple, multiple occasions.

MXE I find to be barely visual at all and only in very high doses. It actually just makes my vision seem slightly sharper.

Nitrous I don't find to be visual at all unless combined with psychedelics, in which case it becomes very, very visual.

 

[Mr.Hedges]

Prolly DXM
Try 600 mgs of DXM, in unison with cannabis or nitrous. You can try inhalents, but they aren't that safe.
I only done DXM once, at 300 mgs and got no hallucinations so i must of done something wrong. Next time ill try on an empty stomache and close my eyes while laying down on the floor at night time.

Please Please Please DON'T drink DXM on an empty stomach...It will just make you feel like shit and won't get you any higher at all. I've done it many times, and regretted it many times. Eat a small to medium meal and hour or so before, then take between 400-700mgs depending on your size, turn out the lights, turn up the music, lay back and enjoy. Have a benzo on hand just incase it's not your thing...DXM isn't for everybody so be careful.

And JSPete...I can't say the blunt tasted the greatest...but me and my girlfriend definitely visited planet Zebulon...and it was fun.

 

[lolusername]

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