Miscellaneous Most atypical psychedelic experiences?

[Esperighanto]

The weirdest psychedelic experience I had was from an unknown drug. It was liquid that was being passed around as LSD in a psychedelic-naive crowd, but a few people had bad experiences apparently, so a friend gave me the bottle for free. There was a small amount of crystals precipitating out of solution at the bottom of the bottle, so I knew immediately it wasn't LSD.

One night I got drunk and took 2 hits of this mysterious liquid out of curiosity, before I had a chance to test it.

It was a fairly enjoyable trip, albeit weird. Very tactile and sensory, but lacking in the visuals department, which were mostly absent other than perceptual distortions... anyways the strangest thing happened with colors. This drug made my vision go black and white. Greyscale. Colors were just GONE. Yet, there were waves of color that would come back, almost as if someone was using a paintbrush across my vision, one color at a time, but I remember purple most commonly. Brushing the colors back in, which would then fade back to greyscale. This lasted a good 6 hours at least.

Now, I do have a type of colorblindness called "deuteranopia", which means my green and red trichromes overlap. Thus, green and red colors confuse me; sometimes they look like the same color, sometimes it's difficult to distinguish between orange/red or green/brown... but I see all other colors just fine. It's not like total colorblindness at all.

This experience was so bizzare, seeing in black in white, and opposite to every other trip I've had which are always extremely colorful in nature.

I never did figure out what that mystery drug was. I threw the bottle away shortly afterwards for unrelated reasons. Possibly some 2-Cx derivative, or something more exotic, is my guess. It did not feel like a tryptamine or any nBOME.

This is really fascinating, do you remember anything about the timeframe, if you found yourself getting cold or hot, and was there any nausea?

I've never consumed it, but your account reminds me of other accounts of 5-MeO-AMT a little bit, just based on reading TR's. Have you ever experienced the colorblindness thing in your dreams, or at any other point in your life?

 

[Shady's Fox]

yo is dead in head if not

i saw 68 68 all over for 2hrs was.. if i hadnt fed myself some weed after
but idk how and why i saw "68"

it was like i had a fisurated gas tank in my pants

panic probably although i was alone and even if, few comrades yrs ago were man with fet on their ground and head in sky

 

[AlsoTapered]

5-MeO AMT is one of the few psychedelics I declined. I had such terrible experiences with 5MeO DMT & already knew that the stuff had killed people so even if it was free, I didn't want it,

Erowid even has a vault of 'fatalities/deaths' for the stuff and a HUGE one for 'health problems' related to it's use.

Go to Google Scholar and search for deaths related to it's use.

If I had to guess, I think it's because it has significant MAOI activity ALONE so mixing with an MAOI inhibitor isn't a smart move. It's orally active alone. It has also been demonstrated to produce hypertensive crisis.

It does appear to me that some people treat the consumption of known hazardous compounds like a danger sport. I'm very, very conservative about what I take. Too often our 'monkey logic' kicks in. Someone says 'I took it and was FINE' and others think 'oh, so it's safe'. No, one persons experience has no statistical value.

Arthur Conan Doyle (author of Sherlock Holmes) used to consume poisons to see how much he could survive! He did systematically work up the doses but his letters show that he did this many times and with some of the most toxic compounds known at the time.

 

[swilow]

If I had to guess, I think it's because it has significant MAOI activity ALONE so mixing with an MAOI inhibitor isn't a smart move. It's orally active alone. It has also been demonstrated to produce hypertensive crisis.

Without getting too far off topic, but does 5-Meo-MiPT also have MAOi properties? I've heard it does. That's actually one of my favourite substances these days although it has a shaky comeup and pretty physical presence at anything over about 7mg.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Without getting too far off topic, but does 5-Meo-MiPT also have MAOi properties? I've heard it does. That's actually one of my favourite substances these days although it has a shaky comeup and pretty physical presence at anything over about 7mg.

I don't know. I wouldn't have thought so but anything with a 5-MeO has the possibility of affecting pressor amines so hypertensive crisis is still a concern.

I've never sampled it. 5-MeO DIPT did nothing at all and several of us tried it. Must have been a statistical outlier because I know it sold quite well. We DID only take it orally but were told it was active orally. I wouldn't vape any 5-MeO tryptamine due to my 5-MeO DMT experiences.

 

[foodcrisis]

5-MeO AMT is one of the few psychedelics I declined. I had such terrible experiences with 5MeO DMT & already knew that the stuff had killed people so even if it was free, I didn't want it,

Erowid even has a vault of 'fatalities/deaths' for the stuff and a HUGE one for 'health problems' related to it's use.

Go to Google Scholar and search for deaths related to it's use.

If I had to guess, I think it's because it has significant MAOI activity ALONE so mixing with an MAOI inhibitor isn't a smart move. It's orally active alone. It has also been demonstrated to produce hypertensive crisis.

It does appear to me that some people treat the consumption of known hazardous compounds like a danger sport. I'm very, very conservative about what I take. Too often our 'monkey logic' kicks in. Someone says 'I took it and was FINE' and others think 'oh, so it's safe'. No, one persons experience has no statistical value.

Arthur Conan Doyle (author of Sherlock Holmes) used to consume poisons to see how much he could survive! He did systematically work up the doses but his letters show that he did this many times and with some of the most toxic compounds known at the time.

5meo-amt was absolutely nothing like 5meo dmt from what i felt. i think the 5meo amt had a weird feeling maybe a little similar to eth-lad but probably even less noticable. 5meo dmt just made me feel like shrooms a little but more negative body high feelings from the few times i did it. i consider the shroomy type high to be a lot different than the eth lad acidy feel as far as psychedelics go.

if tripping for like 18 or more hours sounds like something a person is into, i highly recommend 5meo amt. i'm almost sure the fatalities noted were because it was pretty easy to misdose and a lot of people ordering it because it was a research chemical just didn't know how to handle it... i got some pretty different dosed sugar cubes and it sent me on some mild trips and then some out of this world trips i'm surprised i made it through with out getting arrested or hospitalized or something. such a long trip was pretty smooth sailing for me. i remember one time i fasted a day or two before and then went like 2 days on the amt and barely noticed not eating... i feel like 5meo amt is a pretty strong long lasting psychedelic drug with out a lot of side effects. it's a shame it got a bad wrap probably from being misdosed. the acid in my area is always way different doses and from the same people too i have to guess. i don't get it. it's like they want to freak people out with bad trips by having hugely different dosed sheets and strips.

 

[swilow]

I don't know. I wouldn't have thought so but anything with a 5-MeO has the possibility of affecting pressor amines so hypertensive crisis is still a concern.

I've never sampled it. 5-MeO DIPT did nothing at all and several of us tried it. Must have been a statistical outlier because I know it sold quite well. We DID only take it orally but were told it was active orally. I wouldn't vape any 5-MeO tryptamine due to my 5-MeO DMT experiences.

Cool, thanks... I must say, I really disliked 5-MEO-AMT, much too physical and risky feeling. OTOH, 5-MEO-MIPT has a vaguely similar vibe but is to me much more psychedelic and enctactogenic, nicer and cleaner feeling than the -DIPT counterpart imo. Somewhat MDMA like without being too rolly. I've combined it with 1P-LSD and 4-HO-MET to nice effect.

Neither of those two have any similarity to 5-MEO-DMT which has always been either horrible or vaguely unpleasant when I used it.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Be it 5-MeO DMT or 5-MeO AMT they BOTH produce significant effects (in some people) on pressor amines.

Is 5mg an overdose because 5mg has killed people. I can only GUESS that hypertensive crisis is responsible for some of the deaths, whatever the case, the fact remains that given how few people have taken it, it seems VERY over-represented in forensics publications and as I noted, on Erowid.

Saying 'well I was fine' is of no statistical value.

I mean, Casey Hardison was hawking it until a customer died. He ALSO argued that he had taken it many times... as if that's ANY indication of safety.

 

[nepalnt21]

overtly pornographic scenes appeared to me in trees, grassblades, clouds, etc!

well holy fucking shit, i had this same thing happen to me (twice!) on mushrooms!

one time i was inside looking out at a backyard, and the tree branches were clearly all the same two ppl having sex. and there was a giant partially opaque section of the window where i clearly saw a woman giving a guy head. and even months after the trip, i'd see that same blowjob scene (it was a permanent smudgy type... thing on the glass), and nobody else could see what i saw. they saw the opaque section of glass, but never the ppl.

months or years later, i was on mushrooms walking around a historic town... there was an old ass wall made of stacked rocks and i saw the same two ppl having sex in all kinds of positions. and they were looking at me. freaky.

another time on mushrooms, i smelled these logs decaying and i craved them (i was on ovoids, a woodlover psilocybe); like i literally wanted to eat the wood. freaked me out. i still sometimes get a slight hint of that feeling (this was probably a decade ago) to this day, even when sober.

 

[Everlynquinn]

I once bought two grams of 60x Salvia off the Internet from the Netherlands and it took about a week and a half to arrive, it was in a soft package labeled as green tea for disguise. I grabbed my bowl, packed a fat one and took a big rip off of it, as I was holding the smoke in it hit me, as I exhaled I couldn't see the smoke but next thing I knew I forgot that I was a human being and I felt like I was an object or apart of the floor, my body felt like everything shut down like I was dead and i thought I was something other than a human. I play guitar and i grabbed my guitar by the neck and in my mind I thought the guitar was crying to have me let go of it like a human neck. This scared the shit out of me but I couldn't move, gravity or some force was holding me down to the floor until I started coming down. As I got up I went to the door and forgot how to unlock the door.

You have weird experiences with that guitar and all.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I haven't tried it but every single dizocilpine report seems to be 'this is TOTALLY different to any other psychedelic and I've taken <insert long list here>.

As I understand it, it was discovered by a team at Merck (hence the code MK-801) who were searching for anticonvulsants! True, NMDA antagonist are anticonvulsants... but this one would be a DLR at best, Imagine going from a seizure into a dizocilpine experience, I can well believe it when people state 'I thought I was dead - a decaying corpse'.

 

[TimTim1993]

You have weird experiences with that guitar and all.

You have weird experiences with that guitar and all.

Yeah Im curious to why I have weird experiences, it's interesting, I just related it to the salvia being salvia

 

[TimTim1993]

Another time I smoked that 60x Salvia I was sitting on the floor and my guitar cases looked like barriers and the floor in between looked like roads, I had this body distortion where I felt much bigger and my depth perception looked as if the guitar cases and floor were further from me, I couldn't get up due to the gravity feeling like it was holding me down. But in my mind I thought if I got up that I was going to fall stories down to my death. It's really difficult to explain and I don't know if I am saying this correctly but that's how I felt. It only lasts like 3 minutes for me.

 

[TimTim1993]

I have never tried DMT or any of the DMT analogs but I heard it's way more euphoric than Salvia.

 

[AlsoTapered]

The price of DMT seems to be truly astronomical. In 2001 I paid ƒ300 for a gram and that was 'mates rates' because it had been made by a friend of a friend. It seems that about half the market is DMT extracted from plants and about half is synthetic. I think 'the public' generally get DMT extracted from plants because while it's quite a simple molecule, it's not quite as simple to produce as one might expect.

While tryptamine only costs £4-£10/gram for 98% pure and you DO need to clean it up before proceeding. the N-methylation is usually achieved by using rather hazardous methylating reagents and one ALWAYS seems to end up with overmethylation to some extent. Even Shulgin starts from N,N,N-trimethyltryptammonium iodide i.e. he or someone else used methyl iodide as the methylating agent. He uses Lithium triethylborohydride (costly, hard to work with to reduce it to DMT and with only a 35% yield.

He includes several other classic routes to reduce that ammonium iodide to the dimethyl amine. Pyrolysis and thiophenolate. He gives no yield for the former and notes the impurity of the product. The latter yields 32% and requires a blanker gas,

So you are looking at it costing a lot to make. It also doesn't seem to scale well.

He even starts from indole using oxalyl chloride, dimethyl amine and once again, he uses Lithium Aluminium hydride which isn't the easiest thing to work with. Since his work, DIBAL-H has become available which is more convenient but requires a lot (due to MW of a compound that yields only 2 hydrogen atoms. Also, I've only come across DIBAL-H in solution with toluene as the solvent so maybe it works, maybe not

IF someone found an economical synthesis, that price would plummet and I'm certain DMT would be hugely popular. I'm informed that smoking it while peaking on LSD yields the best results.

So that's a research project for someone. IF they can produce DMT so it retails at £50gram I'm pretty sure we would all be discussing the 'DMT elves'. I don't know why but it's very common for people to experience these elves. Oh, and MOST people hear a high-pitched whistling sound that a friend dubbed 'the carrier wave,

Last word - beware of DMT cut with 5-MeO DMT. It's cheaper to make AND more potent.

Maybe someone HAS found a cheap route. If so, just knowing would make me spend however long it takes to FIND that route and to share it,

 

[nepalnt21]

I have never tried DMT or any of the DMT analogs but I heard it's way more euphoric than Salvia.

o right, i forgot about dmt... ime, it's THE single most euphoric drug i know of. floating on a cloud of good- feels (and breakthrough not required for said feels).

salvia, ime, is neutral or even dysphoric... the fun is in the bizarre headspace.

 

[TimTim1993]

o right, i forgot about dmt... ime, it's THE single most euphoric drug i know of. floating on a cloud of good- feels (and breakthrough not required for said feels).

salvia, ime, is neutral or even dysphoric... the fun is in the bizarre headspace.

Salvia can definitely be dysphoric but it's an experience

 

[swilow]

Be it 5-MeO DMT or 5-MeO AMT they BOTH produce significant effects (in some people) on pressor amines.
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Saying 'well I was fine' is of no statistical value.

Absolutely agree and rereading my post I can see that it may appear like I was saying otherwise. My final comment was more about qualitative experience, where 5-MEO-AMT is markedly different from 5-MEO-DMT. With these 5-MEO-xxx substances, I'm always exercising a much greater level of caution than with a more traditional/classic psychedelic, and very much for the reasons you've gone into.

 

[Didgital]

Maybe someone HAS found a cheap route. If so, just knowing would make me spend however long it takes to FIND that route and to share it,

Yo lets keep the synthesis talk to a minimum please.

You should really take a look at hamilton morris's pamphlet for synthesis of 5-meo-dmt. You can just use tryptamine instead of mexamine and adjust molar ratios...
Getting back to atypical psychedelic experiences, a really weird one i had was with 2c-t7. Took 40mg nothing happened for 1.5 hours, so i took 20mg and waited another hour, nothing. Then i stupidly took 20mg of 2C-T2 and it all kicked in at once. Had a complete out of body experience i was transported to iran and was protesting, these bird women formed out of the street and berated me. I came out of the OBE in my room, and it was kinda trashed.

Ill never take T7 again. Definitely not like any other psychedelic ive tried.

 

[Mjäll]

The price of DMT seems to be truly astronomical. In 2001 I paid ƒ300 for a gram and that was 'mates rates' because it had been made by a friend of a friend. It seems that about half the market is DMT extracted from plants and about half is synthetic. I think 'the public' generally get DMT extracted from plants because while it's quite a simple molecule, it's not quite as simple to produce as one might expect.

While tryptamine only costs £4-£10/gram for 98% pure and you DO need to clean it up before proceeding. the N-methylation is usually achieved by using rather hazardous methylating reagents and one ALWAYS seems to end up with overmethylation to some extent. Even Shulgin starts from N,N,N-trimethyltryptammonium iodide i.e. he or someone else used methyl iodide as the methylating agent. He uses Lithium triethylborohydride (costly, hard to work with to reduce it to DMT and with only a 35% yield.

He includes several other classic routes to reduce that ammonium iodide to the dimethyl amine. Pyrolysis and thiophenolate. He gives no yield for the former and notes the impurity of the product. The latter yields 32% and requires a blanker gas,

So you are looking at it costing a lot to make. It also doesn't seem to scale well.

He even starts from indole using oxalyl chloride, dimethyl amine and once again, he uses Lithium Aluminium hydride which isn't the easiest thing to work with. Since his work, DIBAL-H has become available which is more convenient but requires a lot (due to MW of a compound that yields only 2 hydrogen atoms. Also, I've only come across DIBAL-H in solution with toluene as the solvent so maybe it works, maybe not

IF someone found an economical synthesis, that price would plummet and I'm certain DMT would be hugely popular. I'm informed that smoking it while peaking on LSD yields the best results.

So that's a research project for someone. IF they can produce DMT so it retails at £50gram I'm pretty sure we would all be discussing the 'DMT elves'. I don't know why but it's very common for people to experience these elves. Oh, and MOST people hear a high-pitched whistling sound that a friend dubbed 'the carrier wave,

Last word - beware of DMT cut with 5-MeO DMT. It's cheaper to make AND more potent.

Maybe someone HAS found a cheap route. If so, just knowing would make me spend however long it takes to FIND that route and to share it,

Why would synthetic DMT be a thing? Do you know how dead simple the extraction is?

Synthetic DMT is likely limited to research context with strict demands on purity due to IV administration.

Extracted DMT costs less than 50 pounds a gram to make already.