Hello all! I am basically brand new to BL, have been creeping in the shadows for while and finally decided I'm joining this awesome site! Haha well I would say I'm a fairly experienced opiate user, I don't know everything about them that's for sure! But I know enough, anyway so my tolerance is, I would say.. Some what high, to get a nice euphoric feeling I need about 65-75mg of hydro, or 50-60mg roxy. Any way I was just wanting to know if any of you all had experimented with morphine and hydro together much, i took 80mg morph ER this morning (about 7am) and then took 30mg hydro(about 8:30am) and I'm pretty sure I felt the effects of the hydro some then, it's now 5pm and I took 35mg of hydro and didn't feel much of anything, just wanna know why that might be. Sorry for such a long post, just wanted to give some back ground and plane and simple I'm long winded haha. Anyway thanks in advance guy and gals!
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Morphine with hydrocodone
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It's probably because of the ER morphine but it's complicated. On the one hand, the additive effects of the drugs should get you higher, but on the other hand if you already have morphine in your system filling up your receptors part way, the difference once the hydrocodone kicks in is less than it would be if your receptors were "fresh" and might be less noticeable. The other possibility for your morning dose is that the ER morphine hadn't really kicked in much by the time the hydrocodone kicked in or, alternatively, you waited too long and missed the "first wave" of the ER meds for a true combination. Timing with ER meds is tricky.
As for your afternoon dose, depending on what kind of morphine it was, some ER formulations don't last nearly as long as they're supposed to. My doc has me on ER morphine every eight hours and has some patients taking it every 6. So while I'm not certain if this was the MS-Contin or Kadian type it's entirely possible that by evening you were basically just taking 35mg of hydrocodone.
Be careful mixing CNS depressants, man. Even though you say you're fairly experienced, there are tons of people who could tell you some absolute horror stories about combining multiple opioids or opioids with benzos or other depressants at what they thought was a low dose for their tolerance. Frankly you didn't even dose that low considering it sounds like it was your first time with this combination. While I'm not necessarily advocating messing around with time-release mechanisms on ER pills, adding them into the mix makes it even more complicated. If you had taken another 30mg of hydrocodone in the morning because you didn't feel much and then all of a sudden half of the morphine kicked in, you probably would have been feeling pretty damn sick. I know that nothing anyone says here can stop someone from using a combination they want to use; I'm just telling you to use some more caution because certain aspects of this were pretty reckless.
As for your afternoon dose, depending on what kind of morphine it was, some ER formulations don't last nearly as long as they're supposed to. My doc has me on ER morphine every eight hours and has some patients taking it every 6. So while I'm not certain if this was the MS-Contin or Kadian type it's entirely possible that by evening you were basically just taking 35mg of hydrocodone.
Be careful mixing CNS depressants, man. Even though you say you're fairly experienced, there are tons of people who could tell you some absolute horror stories about combining multiple opioids or opioids with benzos or other depressants at what they thought was a low dose for their tolerance. Frankly you didn't even dose that low considering it sounds like it was your first time with this combination. While I'm not necessarily advocating messing around with time-release mechanisms on ER pills, adding them into the mix makes it even more complicated. If you had taken another 30mg of hydrocodone in the morning because you didn't feel much and then all of a sudden half of the morphine kicked in, you probably would have been feeling pretty damn sick. I know that nothing anyone says here can stop someone from using a combination they want to use; I'm just telling you to use some more caution because certain aspects of this were pretty reckless.
Thank you cuirve for the response, I agree I believe I missed the first wave, and I do most definitely agree it is a dangerous combo. It wasn't my first time mixing these but I just wanted to know some opinions on this combo. I usually just do 100mg er morph, and a 30mg roxy in the morning then redose one at lunch and one before dinner, but I was out of them. I'm currently in the process of switching to zubsolv, I'm just tired of all the money im spending and my tolerance is just shot. So I'm thinking I am going to try and just get straight for a couple of months and let my tolerance go down because right now my habit is just to expensive. But again thanks for the advice and reply!
I just pointed out that part for anyone else reading the thread, not you. Think about how many lurkers there are. Just because you are experienced with an objectively dangerous combination doesn't mean others should just go ahead and try-- not that you were suggesting anything to the contrary-- and it's always good to be clear about what you mean. I was telling you that combining opioids can be a bad plan, and everyone else that it's not just opioids but rather all CNS depressant mixtures that should be avoided unless prescribed.
Trying to get straight for a while is never a bad plan.
Trying to get straight for a while is never a bad plan.
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i wouldn't consider 40-60mg oxy to be a high tolerance. i don't mean to preach at you, bro, and this is not about dick-sizing either.... but trust me, it will get WAY worse and i am sure you are going to find out soon.
a few weeks ago i had a daily ritual: 0,02 l jägermeister + 2 to 4 mg clonazepam + 5 beers + 50 to 100 mg methadone i.v.ed on top of 80mg methadone / day.
i became a zombie. the only feel i felt back then was i.v. cocaine. so disgusting....
on topic: i don't think the issue is the combination of hydro and morph.
the first dose of the day is likely to produce the strongest effects from my experience. try to limit yourself to once a day to get the best results.
I see cuivre! Thanks for looking out and also for the advice. Average, if that didn't make you a zombie I suppose you could find some good horse tranquilizers lmao, but seriously that dosage is to maintain mostly for me to keep from getting sick, for a true enjoyable happy bliss.. Shit it's been so long since I've dosed high enough to get that warm feeling I don't know what it would take. For most of this week I've been using sub, just simply trying to back down slowly. Yesterday was rough only had half of one to make it all day. I guess since you all don't know me, and I'm really new I should have gave a true history but who's got time for that, I used to drink every single day for breakfast lunch and dinner. Then I found xanns, which honestly helped me slow down( oddly enough right) well the slow down didn't last long began to drink on those, then I started to enjoy my personal prescription to much and started looking for these awesome wonder pills, shortly after I found that those I was taking wasn't really shit compared to what's out there to get you high, started using roxy, then opana(got real bad on those) then it just was kinda a down hill slide to H. I never I.Ved and I am honestly very happy I didn't because I wouldn't have ever got off. I started to realize my marriage was falling apart, I wasnt being a good dad by no means. At this point I've managed to slow my habit A LOT. I still have an issue, obviously lol. But me and my wife are doing better I've got my self to a lot more stable point. I still want to be completely clean but that will have to come with time. I look forward to more post with you all!
P.S. Average that's an intense dose, when I was dabbling with MDONE, I was having to take about 100-120mg oral to enjoy anything. Again your tolerance is still high as hell! But I do know how rapidly my tolerance shot through the roof, I also enjoyed drinking scotch with my cocktails of drugs haha not yagar!
P.S. Average that's an intense dose, when I was dabbling with MDONE, I was having to take about 100-120mg oral to enjoy anything. Again your tolerance is still high as hell! But I do know how rapidly my tolerance shot through the roof, I also enjoyed drinking scotch with my cocktails of drugs haha not yagar!
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MS Contin and hydrocone should work together. I'm currently on Oxycontin (10mgER, 2X a day) and Oxycodone (10mg, 4X a day) and things are fine...but the doctor just started me on the Oxycontin, so I suspect we will titrate up or switch back to MS Contin and titrate with that since cheaper without insurance. These work well together and I don't think either (the MS or Oxy ER) last 12 hours, more like 8...but that's why they prescribe oxycodone IR. The MS causes constipation, but works.
My doc currently only prescribes me 60 10mg lortab a month, which is no where near enough to even cover my pain. I had hip surgery when I was 9 (rare disease called leg calf Pertheas) anyway I have severe curvature of my spine and knee problems on my right side. He said, " after I saw your x-rays I knew you weren't lying about being in pain. But because you are young I can't prescribe you more than that without getting questioned. Because the government has there eyes on all doctors right now." I don't think he's lying like I know I'm young but just because im young doesn't mean I don't have severe pain that literally keeps me awake 3-4 nights a-week. It sucks but I don't know what options I have.
SickWithRA
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You can have him refer you to a pain specialist. My Rheumatologist referred me (she was only able to prescribe 120 10mg/325mg hydrocodone/acetaminophen or 5mg/325mg oxycodone/acetaminophen) per month. I'm on Humira too (immunosuppressant) and sometimes prednisone if I have a bad flare. I'm only 34 and I run marathons...I am a Chef too, so my life can't stop because of severe pain. She referred me and the pain specialist - has me on better meds. I'm titrating up on MS Contin (morphine ER, 2X a day) and Oxycodone (no acetaminophen now) 10mg, 4X a day. This is much better than the old prescriptions. I can still run 50 miles a week (qualified for the Boston Marathon) and work on my feet 8 hours a day...while having severe rheumatoid arthritis. Just discuss a referral. They will give you regular drug tests though, so only take your prescriptions. You should feel better. Living with severe pain is the worst and can be depressing.
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It is a struggle to fall asleep, get up, and go to work. My pain is terrible! And it's not a joke. So Is it my job or his job to talk about a referral? I'm no no way asking what to say to my doctor, I can handle that. Actually come to think about it I'm pretty sure he has mentioned something about pain management before? I believe I answered and said, doc whatever we need to do so I'm not in pain I'm good with! Then he bumped me up to 60 10mg hydro shortly after that conversation, I told him I was sure that would help me. But I've been on those for a year now, and honestly its like take Tylenol! It doesn't help with the deep pain I have, when it's raining, cold, or I just over done it at work. I would love to be able to just do normal things again, my wife is always wanting to go walk at the park(which I have tried multiple time) and it ends up killing me the next day. I'm young and should be able to do things like that with my wife, I don't want her to already look at me like a old man(no offense to any older guys) I know one issue my doc keeps bringing up is that I need to be exercising and that will help. I agree completely I do want to but when I'm gonna not have medicine to help me the next day it's dreadful to try and go do that. ANY advise would be great and I appreciate all of you and what you have already shared with me! Thanks! Oh and in the OP when I was talking about morphine I had to go and buy that because I was in pain, I don't do that much because I feel like a terrible person, at the same time I feel it's necessary! Thank you all!
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