morphine to heroin

[pokin' canadian]

hi all, i have a question. i take morphine sulphate daily from my doctor, 100mg pills, usually about 3x a day plus or minus 1, and i also have 10mg IR morphine pils to take too, which sometimes get eaten, sometimes i just stick to the greys. the greys i rarely eat, they usually end up in my bloodstream rather quickly. when i do it, i suually end up pouring some beads from another M-eslon (those are the morphine contin we have up here, they are gelcaps with little beads in em, same action as ms-contin) so i end up having around 120-130/shot i'd say. 2-3 times a day, 4 max ever. i have quite the tolerance built up. its pretty lame, i know for sure, but what can you do.

anyways, i want to get some heroin and try it for real finally, i've tried it a few times in the past but i think that my habit/tolerance just was too high and/or the heroin was too shitty. the first time i tried it i got a point and took a 1/4 of it in one shot, then another 1/4 then 1/2 and none of the shots i felt anything. at this point i was only taking oc but a fair bit in a day, and shootin it. more recently, while taking morphine, i bought some more h and tried again, this time shooting the whole point at once, and still, felt nothing. well, this time i wouldn't say NOTHING but i felt the relaxation i might feel from, oh say, 50mg of morphine, basilcaly nothing for me. my question is:

how much heroin should i buy, and how much should i take in a shot for the first time? my problem is, i don't want to drop like, 350 bucks on an 1/z but i don't want to get a 1/4gram and end up using too little the first time to get a buzz but too much to have enough for a second shot of sufficient strength. i'm thinking that a 1/4 gram should be enough, but who knows? the stuff i get seems to be white, but not of the greatest quality. i've seen this stuff before that was almost a really really really light yellowish color, reminded me of yellow dilaudid mixed in with a few white 8mg ones, or some really light sulphur powder, i dunno, but i need to know how much i should try.....i dont wanna od obviously but im sick of wasting my money

btw a point is like 30 bucks and a 1/4 gram is like, 65-70

 

[Rosclot]

This is a tough question because if someone gives you the wrong answer you may end of dead. There is no way for any of us to know the purity of what you are getting. For example I can get two different types of h, 1 kind I need to do about a gram a day, this shit sucks, the other stuff I can do 250mg per day and be rocked all day.

 

[xxanxx]

Sounds like you are getting low-medium quality heroin, although as rosclot said no one can really say for sure. When you did the dope was it on top of your daily OC dosing or your first opiate of the day? I take it a "point" is roughly 1/8 of a gram? Definitely wouldn't advise to try shooting more, there is no way I can know exactly what your getting and how much it varies. Maybye try abstaining from opiates until you start to withdrawl and then shoot the dope, just to make sure it really is an opiate. If it is, you could start at 1/2 a point and work up from there. Just be careful and give a decent amount of time between shots to monitor your breathing. Good luck and be safe...

 

[jdude3]

eek.. not 100% on topic, but why is your doc giving you daily morphine?

 

[chasem]

yea, thats hella morphine.

 

[Skrilla]

Maybye try abstaining from opiates until you start to withdrawl and then shoot the dope, just to make sure it really is an opiate.

From my experience, I think this is the best advice... The only time I ever used heroin (I shot it), I was on a lot of methadone, and even some really good heroin (I know because I saw a serious junkie nodding off from it) didn't hardly get me high at all. If you want a real heroin high, and don't want to die - abstain from all opiates untill you start to seriously withdrawl (yeah, I know, it sucks). But by then, some decent heroin should seriously mess you up - if it doesn't, then it ain't good shit.

As usual, be careful - after abstaining (even for a few days), your tolerance will be down, so DON'T do too much - you can always take a second shot, which is better than taking too big of a first shot and ending up dead. I hate giving advice like this because it's dangerous and I don't want to be responsible for anyone's death, so PLEASE be careful, but seriously, abstaining for a few days (a week if you can) will make it work so wonderfully, just be CAREFUL with your dose.

Peace,
Matt

 

[pokin' canadian]

hmm...well first off the daily morphine is for back pain. i've been prescribed it for a while...it started off a bit lower, around 120mg a day, but wasn't really staying at that anyways, nearer 200, now its around prolly 3-400.

anyways, i'm not so sure i want to end up doin this cuz i think that a) my tolerance is so high that even an experiment will be prohibitably expensive, but also b) i don't want to either upgrade to h cuz i like it that much or up my tolerance any more than i have to

i'm already looking into lowering it, but anyways, yea my biggest reason for not liking more than one shot is because then you miss out on the rush, which sux bigtime, cuz thats the only thing i really get form it anymore

anyways, i'm out

 

[Skrilla]

my tolerance is so high that even an experiment will be prohibitably expensive

Yes, as was my problem at the time. It ended up really not being worth it in the end. On the other hand if I tried it now (being off opiates for quite a while) I'm sure it would be quite nice...

 

[pokin' canadian]

i headed d/t (downtown) today and can get a point (0.1 grams) for 30 canadian or a quarter (0.25 grams) for 60 bucks....apparently it's "really good stuff in town right now" but i dunno, i've been told that in the past....the lady i talked to seemed to be less of a seller (she wouldn't even sell to me in fact, because she never sees me around she wouldn't risk it, even though i showed her tracks...i guess better safe than sorry esp. if you dont normally sell, you dont wanna get fucked by random chance like that) so i dont see why she would push it any more than normal, i mean if it wasn't great she'd prolly have told me because she was also talking about how she really didn't want me to do it and she thought it was a bad idea cuz i'd get hooked blah blah blah, if she's sayin that i dont see why the hell she'd tell me its good, like really good. the guy taht i talked to next came up and said he didn't care he'd hook me up, buthe ended up not being able to get ahold of someone, wtf. it seems like this stuff is more elusive than sex during w/d....like fuck you just want it more than life itself but can't get it for the life of you cuz of circumstance...fuck eh....anyways yea, he called around and couldn't get it, but if i'm looking at 30 bucks for 0.1 grams, apparently really good stuff, how much would be a half ass "estimate." blah blah blah i know about how you can't be exact or don't wanna kill me or whatever, i mean honestly whatever, i've heard it all just looking for an ESTIMATE, don't worry about me taking it literally, i'll look into it obviously and be careful while shootin, but whats anyone think?

also, where's a good place to get naloxone? i want to get some to try something i've seen on here used to get tolerance's down. using ultra small doses along with my normal dose, but i can't for the life of me think of where and/or how to get it. anyways, any ideas? and no the local needle exchange doesn't have any, i know that for sure.

thanks

 

[Rosclot]

how much would be a half ass "estimate." blah blah blah i know about how you can't be exact or don't wanna kill me or whatever, i mean honestly whatever, i've heard it all just looking for an ESTIMATE, don't worry about me taking it literally, i'll look into it obviously and be careful while shootin, but whats anyone think?

What are you asking here? Are you asking how much of this point you should use to get high?

If you can afford it get 2 points. Then shoot half a point the first time. If that works for you then great if not then take the other point and shoot it all. You will be stuck with a 1/2 point left over if it works out like this but I bet you will find something to do with it.

 

[adradmin]

ur taking three HUNDRED milligrams of morphine a day, what do u expect? IV too! after all, heroin is diacetyl-MORPHINE. hence the tolerance issue heh.

enough with the baby amounts, ur gonna need a lot so be ready to dish out the cash for atleast a 1/4g or more to do at once (assuming its "really good stuff" aka 40-50% especially in canada).

 

[pokin' canadian]

yea, thats what i thought (about the tolerance)...i figure it really might not be worth it

the problem is i don't wanna slam 1/4 gram at once and find out i WAY overdid it (because of some reason that i've never done THIS specific drug much before) or soemthing stupid....but i don't wanna have to buy an eight ball of this shit just because i have to titrate my doses up by like half a point each time

damn what a pain in the ass, fuck this

i'll stick to my per and just keep on chuggin haha

oh well....life goes on

 

[edarrin]

i'd say that the average dope here in Toronto is between 30-50% when you figure it against a dose of OC. You will likely need 2.5pts(250mg). I would try 1/2 of a quarter first just to be sure but like mentioned above your tolerance is an issue.

What city are you in? Sounds like To by the pricing. If so then there is some good stuff around right now.

 

[pokin' canadian]

in in bc, the okanagan to be exact. i get my stuff in kelowna.

anyways, i managed to (hypothetically of course) pick up a 1/4 today and am goin gto go ahead and try a 1/2 a point, or what i figure to be about that

i really hope this isn't a waste of my time as i think that i'll be really pissed off if i don't get off at all
but we'll see

 

[pokin' canadian]

OK, SO its done (sorry bout locks)

i put in just over what i would consider to be a quarter of this quarter, probably one of the larger q's. i gave the guy that hooked me up 3 little tips off my knife blade, probably not even what i put in for this shot. anyways, i figure that would have left me with *around* 2 points (0.2 grams, i figure if i started with 2.5 and i gave this guy AROUND half a point, at the most i should be approx right).

here's my background for the day: woke up and took the first of the morning, about 125mg of m-eslon (i question either the validity of the amount of morphine or the amount thats actually coming out of the time release because, i dunno, it just seems like a WHOLE helluva lot to be actually taking for real daily, but then again who knows lol, but it didn't take long at all to get here, however its almost stopped climbing up too. also, i've heard of ppl who were addicts on this board who said to the effect "yea i took 30mg of morph from an amp, a big 3ml rig, and man was i FUCKED, bigtime nodding, crazy itchies, blah blah blah", well 30mg isn't much at all, a non tolerant person could probably take that ad get the effets he's describing here.....who knows though) anyhoo....so i took one at about 7 am ish, that big, and then smoked some pot. had some food, although not much, then just chilled and did whatever for the morning. tried to hook up real quick d/t around noon with no success, came home and watched a movie then decided to take anohter (i don't know why, i really should have fucked waited, but fuck if i could. its really pissin me off that i can't even telll myself to wait very long cuz a) i get really bored while i'm waiting to dose and b) i always wanna re-dose lol

anyways, so now that i've done 2, ir eally also should have waited to do this down, juyst cuz fuck, now that i've had shit in me all day, i've got my tolerance fuckin up for the day and i just knew i wouldn't get the best estimation, but fuck if i could wait lol. picked up what was apparently the best shit the towns' seen in years, talking to this guy who did it, said he did half a point and his eyes were PINNED like fuck, coul dhardly see the pubilcs, and this guy was pretty hardcore i figured, i thougth i remember him and he was ADDICTED bigtime....so if 1/2 point could get him off, i figure it should work fo rme, or so maybe a bit more (i've got way too much of a habit, im not even 25 yet). anyways, so i ended up putting about 1/4 of this 1/4g in, i'd say about 0.5g. put it in me, and to be honest, didn't get TOO much again. this time however, was much differnt than my first 2 times where i really felt nothing but placebo. this one i felt similar to when i take morph, but no pins/needles. anyways, i sat back and relaxed, and it never realy came on hard, but i could feel it was trying. it definetly relaxed me and made me feel alot better, however. im also having a litlte trouble keeping my eyes open (nod? yea i'd say) although not TOO much, but yes, i can definetly feel it. where'd the rush go though? is that likely because of my previous dosing's? well fuck, i'm gonna willpower myself into saving this for tomrw afternoon when i have time and nothing to do haha, but i'm pretty stoked it worked.

so now that i know this, what should i take tomorow? it'll be morning, i'll be drinking a bit tonite, but not lots. i think what i'm going to do is just take a few smaller MSIR pills to ease things in the morning, wait until i'm free, and then give'r on the goodies....how much this time though? i've got ABOUT 0.15 grams left, so whats the verdict there? i was kind of thikning of either doin it all, or half, but i think half will be not enough and i won't get there
.15 might be a little high but i doubt ill be in any trouble, just real high? or should i watch out, i mean there's 1.5 points left, so those are basically 30 flaps here, fuckin expensive but i guess 20 bucks us is almost 30 canadian, closer to 26 but either way, its like ur 20 bags down there. real smal tho, literally a point of a gram, if that. so 1.5 of those, i think i should be really safe taking the whole thing unless its like PURE which i doubt, cuz if it was i bet i'd be just fucked now isntead of feelin pretty good. either way, i'm out thanks for the help.....bump

 

[edarrin]

I had a really hard time following that. Sounds like you did 1/4 of a quarter gram? That is not much bro. I wouldn't even do that much. That would be 1/16 of a gram. Split the damn quarter in half and go for it. The odds of it being pure are slim to none.

You will get a nice rush.

 

[xxanxx]

^I had a little trouble following that as well.

Anyway, just use some damn willpower and don't dose any morphine until you do your heroin. If you can't hold out then sorry, your not going to get much more than you did today without going into the danger zone......
If you can hold out then you should be rewarded with a nice little rush and a good nod. Have fun and again, BE SAFE!!

 

[adradmin]

yea what a waste. ur wondering y u didnt get a rush? well duh. i told u ur gonna have to take more than him regardless. u take opiates daily i dunno what u dont get about that.

 

[pokin' canadian]

man its not what i don't get about it, i get alot about opiates. i've reasearched them to hell and back, i know a lot about them, i just want to be on the safe side and ask for some non-scientific, mor "from experience" advice. i've doen morphine for probably almost 2 years at a dose similar to this, stayed around 100/dose now its up to about 120-130/dose
either way, i didn't take any this morning, other than maybe 30mg orally of msir, just to ward away the sickness, i felt like shit this morning. i didn't take anything after my h yesterday, and that was at 4 o clock pm, i felt crappy this morning until i smoked some pot and took those 3 10mg msir's....that was about 2.5 hours ago, and now i'm ready for this. im debating how much to do....my theory is if i felt almost noddy after taking that 1/16g, was it from the morphine i took before plus the h, or just the fact that i was on morphine and the h added or what? like if i take the same amount today will i get anything, i feel quite crappy right now and have sweats so i know i'm withdrawing....but on the other hand if i take the whole thing will i overdo it or will i be able to get 2 good shots out of whats left? i dunno, we'll see i'm gonna take half of what i have and see what happens

 

[edarrin]

The tolerance has a crossover effect. Meaning that because you take Morphine every day you have a tolerence for H too. H is diacetylmorphine. tweaked Morphine. Binds to same receptors. Your body doesn't distinguish between the two really(other than H crosses the BBB faster and usually doesn't give you as much of a histamine effect).

You'll need at least 1/8 ( half a quarter) to get any sort of buzz likely. That would be a safe starting point IMO.