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morphine oral dose?

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I'm pretty opioid naive other than using codeine and tramadol regularly. Just acquired some 10mg morphine pills, what dose do you guys suggest i start at? I dont wanna overdo it and have a pukefest. I've got some promethazine, that'll help with nausea right?
 
^ for an opiate naive person 30mg is too much , i did 20mg oxy (plus 5mg smoked which didnt work out well) so basically 20mg oxycodone , and i caught a pretty nice nod . the opioid conversion chart says morphine is double the strength of oxy , so if uve ever done oxy just remember what ur perfect dose was and half it , id suggest to take 10mg to start , wait 30 mins , another 10mg then wait atleast 45-60 mins before another 5-10 mg dose .
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edit: just read down abit on the opiod conversion chart and 30mg oral morphine = 20mg oral oxycodone , the above applies to IV . so the first poster was right , take 30mg to start . but if u use codeine regularly , codeine converts to morphine after ingested (only roughly 10% converts to morphine , depending on the individual) if i was u id be shooting that shit up , i also have an extremely low opiate tolerance exept for codeine and oxy for the first time the other day , roughly a 500mg codeine tolerance , which is equivalent to around 50mg morphine . so i would probably just take 40mg morphine .
 
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In the uk. They are napp (sorry if its breaking the rules saying that) 10mg IR pills. I've tried 2, feel a Bit fuzzy gonna try another one see how i get on.
 
Keep in mind that morphine has a very "heavy" high, compared to tramadol and codeine. Some people I know get very nausious from morphine, they find it unpleasant.
 
Oral morphine is as strong as oral hydroocodone, right? In that case, I would start with 10-15mg orally, it should give you a nice high.
 
ErgicMergic said:
Oral morphine is as strong as oral hydroocodone, right? In that case, I would start with 10-15mg orally, it should give you a nice high.
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Ehhh, as strong as hydrocodone? no doubt. Equally potent? I don't think so, based on my experiences. I'd take a MSIR15/30mg over 15-30mg worth of norcos. Although I would prefer not to use the oral route with morphine, in terms of analgesia I get more relief from an equipotent oral dose.
 
"As strong," "as powerful,' and "as potent" mean the same thing, as far as I know. Maybe you mean subjectively less potent?

Either way, anything more than 15+ of oral hydrocodone/morphine is too powerful, recreationally speaking, for someone who is opioid naive; they will just feel intense side effects without enjoying any sort of high.

I've only done Morphine once, and that was 4mg IV in the hospital for my first opiate experience about 1.5-2 years ago. I felt absolutely no high due to being in intense pain, I'm sure if I had asked for a second shot I would have gotten so high, considering 4mg IV morphine = 16mg oral hydro/morphine. I watched my opioid naive brother get incomplete pain relief from his Morphine first shot (6mg instead of 4mg would have been perfect) and no high, then he asked for a second one and was noticeably opiated, lol.

I would be a lot more interested in codeine and morphine over hydrocodone/Kratom/tramadol if they weren't so addictive. For some reason, dependence tends to build a lot faster to natural opiates over semi-synthetic ones. Codeine is fantastic for me, though, as is tramadol, due to CYP2D6 polymorphism, making converted morphine/O-Des much higher in my liver than most.
 
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hydrocodone and morphine are suggested to be equipotent in regards to oral analgesia - with no cross tolerance taken into account. subjective differences? of course
 
Shit I remember my first time taking morphine orally, I am very lucky it was time released. People take it for granted "oh it has a shitty BA, it's so weak if you pop it". Yeah fuckin right!
 
i've never found oral morphine underwhelming like so many people suggest, i got right high off it from conservative doses with what i considered a large tolerance to fentanyl at that time.

it's definitely to be used with caution as any opioid naive user should.

to the op since i didn't answer originally - a 10-15mg start dose with 10mg tritration every 45-60mins till you start to grasp the effects like most people suggest in here.
 
Tricomb, the people who told you that definitely weren't Bluelighters, they would have referred you to the BL opioid conversion chart ;)

Eklub, the funny thing is that the health reviewing board of the US initially rejected the approval of hydrocodone, due to tolerance building much more slowly than morphine, and thus sustained euphoria and psychological addiction over its natural counterparts, morphine and codeine. Do you guys find morphine more euphoric than hydrocodone and oxycodone, or just more sedating and fuzzy, and therefore more cozy and enjoyable?
 
I wouldn't redose until the one hour mark. Morphine is surprisingly strong, way more potent than it's given credit by drug addicts (to non drug addicts they hear the word morphine and think OMG strongest pain killer they have!!! but they don't know about *morphones and fentanyl, heh..) and will put you in your place if you don't respect it.
 
People saying to try anything lower than 40mg morphine orally really jus make me laugh....im guessing 2mg of oxycodone also got you high your first time...ahaha.
 
To me morphine orally is a waste. It still feels nice, it's just not even on the same spectrum as IV morphine (not promoting IV use of pills in anyway). It gives me an intense nod, and can be quite psychedelic, I will often nod out and have some mild CEV's. But to me it lacks that same warm, fuzzy body high I get from other opioids such as oxycodone, and it does't really make me feel euphoric, it just relieves pain well and makes me fall asleep everywhere.
 
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