Morphine, iboga, amfetamines

[Fenixoffiends]

I had build a massive tolerance to almost every type of drug. Most drugs i would take I wouldn't notice anything at all. Even high doses would be unnoticeable.

Then I found iboga, i started taking 10 grams in low doses everyday until I ran out, it took quite long about 10 days until i ran out. I didn't want the psychedelic effect so i took just below the threshold dose.

After 10 days I didn't use any drug for another fortnite. After this i tried different drugs, and to my suprise i felt quite a strong effect. My tolerance which i thought was permanent seems to have been reset.

My thoughts now are, what if i take morphine one day, and then iboga powder for the next three, and then redose with morphine.

This could mean no addictition, no tolerance buildup, no more need for consequetive higher doses for the same effect.

I have a new batch of iboga coming and will test if this works.

 

[cdin]

I had this genius idea when i was younger. was abusing iboga to abuse other drugs. One day I accidentally slipped over the edge and got too much iboga and entered a psychedelic state where it spoke to me and said
"THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM FOR. I HAVE HELPED YOU GET OFF HEROIN, AND NOW YOU ARE ABUSING ME FOR THIS BULLSHIT. IF YOU TAKE ME AGAIN FOR OPIOIDS, I WILL MURDER YOU"

iboga is an ancient plant based spirit, i don't talk shit to those. IT doesn't seem to bear much tolerance for nonsense, and is dangerous in it's own right - people die taking it every year. All this to say I think it is an extremely
potent medication, and i think microdosing it to abuse other drugs is a path that will lead to very negative outcomes.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

I had this genius idea when i was younger. was abusing iboga to abuse other drugs. One day I accidentally slipped over the edge and got too much iboga and entered a psychedelic state where it spoke to me and said
"THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM FOR. I HAVE HELPED YOU GET OFF HEROIN, AND NOW YOU ARE ABUSING ME FOR THIS BULLSHIT. IF YOU TAKE ME AGAIN FOR OPIOIDS, I WILL MURDER YOU"

iboga is an ancient plant based spirit, i don't talk shit to those. IT doesn't seem to bear much tolerance for nonsense, and is dangerous in it's own right - people die taking it every year. All this to say I think it is an extremely
potent medication, and i think microdosing it to abuse other drugs is a path that will lead to very negative outcomes.

According to you the effect of iboga has a consiouss mind that is aware of things going on even without its effect taking place, isnt that rather contradicting and way too spiritual? I think it was, at least on some level, on your mind this conflict hence this specific hallucination...

 

[cdin]

According to you the effect of iboga has a consiouss mind that is aware of things going on even without its effect taking place, isnt that rather contradicting and way too spiritual? I think it was, at least on some level, on your mind this conflict hence this specific hallucination...

you should really try a flood of iboga. The content seems very much not based in the individual, but somehow sticks with the compound itself. I know it sounds crazy, but it really isn't apparent until you have experienced the flood level effects. There are many people who have had negative experiences
with repeat redosing and abusing it in the manner you describe, i am not the only one. It may be my own mind talking to me, but if that's the case it's in a feedback loop of negative actions taking place and letting me know "this is not the way" I don't know how else to explain it, but I strooooooongly feel
that it will not be in your best interest to pursue using iboga in the manner described. May be too out there or woo for your, but it's a deep feeling all the same.

for example - since we have started using iboga to detox junkies in american cities, pygmies in africa who have no connection to the modern world/america have started seeing "rows of tall glass" and other descriptions of cities etc. in THEIR trips. there is something very weird w iboga. it is a very deep/spiritual compound. i dont pretend to know how that is possible, or how it works, but there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my own little mind and philosophies.

If you persist, i will be interested to know how it turns out. it told me full stop "do NOT do this,"

would be interested to know what @Xorkoth thinks about this.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

you should really try a flood of iboga. The content seems very much not based in the individual, but somehow sticks with the compound itself. I know it sounds crazy, but it really isn't apparent until you have experienced the flood level effects. There are many people who have had negative experiences
with repeat redosing and abusing it in the manner you describe, i am not the only one. It may be my own mind talking to me, but if that's the case it's in a feedback loop of negative actions taking place and letting me know "this is not the way" I don't know how else to explain it, but I strooooooongly feel
that it will not be in your best interest to pursue using iboga in the manner described. May be too out there or woo for your, but it's a deep feeling all the same.

for example - since we have started using iboga to detox junkies in american cities, pygmies in africa who have no connection to the modern world/america have started seeing "rows of tall glass" and other descriptions of cities etc. in THEIR trips. there is something very weird w iboga. it is a very deep/spiritual compound. i dont pretend to know how that is possible, or how it works, but there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my own little mind and philosophies.

If you persist, i will be interested to know how it turns out. it told me full stop "do NOT do this,"

would be interested to know what @Xorkoth thinks about this.

Okay, I like to say sorry, I was a bit black/white just now, tho I dont feel the same way as you do about this, I agree there are more things between heaven and earth that we cant grasp...

 

[brokedownpalace10]

I think that it's possible that psychedelic drugs develop a "gestalt" (of sorts).
Mescaline (Peyote) has been used in group healing sessions indigenously for centuries.
Mushrooms were used for shaman to explore conscious reality.
Ayahuasca... healing.
Acid has no ritual history and seems to be a bit more prone to bad trips and seems less "natural". Like, all the energy of the people who bad tripped on it is somehow built up in the gestalt of the drug.

Not a consciousness, more an "energy association" (someone help me with the words)

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

I think that it's possible that psychedelic drugs develop a "gestalt" (of sorts).
Mescaline (Peyote) has been used in group healing sessions indigenously for centuries.
Mushrooms were used for shaman to explore conscious reality.
Ayahuasca... healing.
Acid has no ritual history and seems to be a bit more prone to bad trips and seems less "natural". Like, all the energy of the people who bad tripped on it is somehow built up in the gestalt of the drug.

Not a consciousness, more an "energy association" (someone help me with the words)

Im sceptical as I did a series of iboga sessions to try to quit smoking and now I smoke more than before...

 

[brokedownpalace10]

Im sceptical as I did a series of iboga sessions to try to quit smoking and now I smoke more than before...

To play devil's advocate, the research into the addiction treatment potential of Iboga isn't necessarily related to any "spiritual" theories on it.

 

[Antiprosynthesis]

To play devil's advocate, the research into the addiction treatment potential of Iboga isn't necessarily related to any "spiritual" theories on it.

I agree with you, but for me it carries the same feeling I have with it, that it in both cases does not live up to that idealistic image portraied here...

But I want to be careful with such statements, I do believe in the transcendent...

 

[Fenixoffiends]

I had this genius idea when i was younger. was abusing iboga to abuse other drugs. One day I accidentally slipped over the edge and got too much iboga and entered a psychedelic state where it spoke to me and said
"THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM FOR. I HAVE HELPED YOU GET OFF HEROIN, AND NOW YOU ARE ABUSING ME FOR THIS BULLSHIT. IF YOU TAKE ME AGAIN FOR OPIOIDS, I WILL MURDER YOU"

iboga is an ancient plant based spirit, i don't talk shit to those. IT doesn't seem to bear much tolerance for nonsense, and is dangerous in it's own right - people die taking it every year. All this to say I think it is an extremely
potent medication, and i think microdosing it to abuse other drugs is a path that will lead to very negative outcomes.

I had this genius idea when i was younger. was abusing iboga to abuse other drugs. One day I accidentally slipped over the edge and got too much iboga and entered a psychedelic state where it spoke to me and said
"THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM FOR. I HAVE HELPED YOU GET OFF HEROIN, AND NOW YOU ARE ABUSING ME FOR THIS BULLSHIT. IF YOU TAKE ME AGAIN FOR OPIOIDS, I WILL MURDER YOU"

iboga is an ancient plant based spirit, i don't talk shit to those. IT doesn't seem to bear much tolerance for nonsense, and is dangerous in it's own right - people die taking it every year. All this to say I think it is an extremely
potent medication, and i think microdosing it to abuse other drugs is a path that will lead to very negative outcomes.

I don't know about that, I've found the low dose effects of iboga very similar to opioids

 

[G_Chem]

You guys need to read more @cdin is trying to warn you of something important, heed the call. We’ve got threads on here going over multiple people who’ve committed suicide after multiple uses. Many have been told by Iboga that they only get one shot and anything after that is against it’s wishes.

I personally would not do this, enough have died trying for me to think twice.

-GC

 

[Fenixoffiends]

I had this genius idea when i was younger. was abusing iboga to abuse other drugs. One day I accidentally slipped over the edge and got too much iboga and entered a psychedelic state where it spoke to me and said
"THIS IS NOT WHAT I AM FOR. I HAVE HELPED YOU GET OFF HEROIN, AND NOW YOU ARE ABUSING ME FOR THIS BULLSHIT. IF YOU TAKE ME AGAIN FOR OPIOIDS, I WILL MURDER YOU"

iboga is an ancient plant based spirit, i don't talk shit to those. IT doesn't seem to bear much tolerance for nonsense, and is dangerous in it's own right - people die taking it every year. All this to say I think it is an extremely
potent medication, and i think microdosing it to abuse other drugs is a path that will lead to very negative outcomes.

And i also think you're a complete bullshitter who is high on fearporn

 

[G_Chem]

And i also think you're a complete bullshitter who is high on fearporn

Ibogaine (etc.) and suicide

Hi, PD. It's been a while. I wish I was bringing you a less morbid topic, but here it is: I recently lost a very dear friend of mine to suicide. This is about 6 months after doing ibogaine to get off methadone, had been a long term heroin and then methadone user. Was initially successful...

bluelight.org

-GC

 

[cdin]

And i also think you're a complete bullshitter who is high on fearporn

You’re completely free to think that. But I feel no fear, and every statement I made was from direct personal experience.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

I have been really interested in this plant for a long time but to scared to ever actually pull the trigger on it…is it like DMT psychedelicly ? Someone said low dose it kinda like opioids ? Can someone who’s done it please explain a iboga trip for me ? I thinks it’s interesting there is an energy that has scared me away from it, especially when I was in my hippy dippy dread locked Rasta phase this was one plant I was hesitant to touch for some reason

 

[cdin]

I have been really interested in this plant for a long time but to scared to ever actually pull the trigger on it…is it like DMT psychedelicly ? Someone said low dose it kinda like opioids ? Can someone who’s done it please explain a iboga trip for me ? I thinks it’s interesting there is an energy that has scared me away from it, especially when I was in my hippy dippy dread locked Rasta phase this was one plant I was hesitant to touch for some reason

The state most closely resembles a high dose dxm experience. Extreeeeemely overwhelming and wildly overpowering. Easily the most psychedelic experience I’ve ever had, frankly blowing dmt out of the water. The thing is, it’s not recreational. It’s extremely tough on the body and mind, and any flood dose carries a risk of death from cardiac complications. It’s a fantastically powerful substance and not one to fuck around w randomly. Imo flood doses should be used for true life threatening problems — it does seem to be safer to dose 4-600mg range for mental health repair. Seems less taxing but still I’m not sure I’d want to do it for no reason at all. Next experience I have planned is 450mg to work on ptsd resolution. After I finish getting myself off a few medications.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

The state most closely resembles a high dose dxm experience. Extreeeeemely overwhelming and wildly overpowering. Easily the most psychedelic experience I’ve ever had, frankly blowing dmt out of the water. The thing is, it’s not recreational. It’s extremely tough on the body and mind, and any flood dose carries a risk of death from cardiac complications. It’s a fantastically powerful substance and not one to fuck around w randomly. Imo flood doses should be used for true life threatening problems — it does seem to be safer to dose 4-600mg range for mental health repair. Seems less taxing but still I’m not sure I’d want to do it for no reason at all. Next experience I have planned is 450mg to work on ptsd resolution. After I finish getting myself off a few medications.

Ok so I was never a fan of DXM so it seems pretty unlikely I’ll ever try it at this point, my threashold for psychedelics is really low these days, even pot is to much for me most times, which is just crazy given my history with psychedelics, I guess it just get harder on the mind and body as you get older, I still enjoy a mild shroom or DMT trip occasionally some pot, but I just can’t take it like I use to, I feel like Iv gotten all the spiritual awakening I’m gonna get from it anyway so an occasional dose is all I really need at this point just as I little reminder, amanita musacara was one of the more profound trips Iv had and never wish to experience again tbh,.. but good luck with your next trip tho hope you find what your looking for

 

[Fenixoffiends]

I have been really interested in this plant for a long time but to scared to ever actually pull the trigger on it…is it like DMT psychedelicly ? Someone said low dose it kinda like opioids ? Can someone who’s done it please explain a iboga trip for me ? I thinks it’s interesting there is an energy that has scared me away from it, especially when I was in my hippy dippy dread locked Rasta phase this was one plant I was hesitant to touch for some reason

I've always took just below the threshold dose, but I've found low dosages give a body high very similar to opioids. And make you slightly "happier" for quite some time afterwards. Also I've found that taking a high dose of magnesium will stabilize any cardiac issues from the iboga (at low doses at least)

Ibogaine blocks potassium receptors in muscles which are responsible for muscle contraction. This gives rise to cardiac issues as high doses of iboga will block some of the potassium receptors in your heart making heart muscle contractions more difficult.

Magnesium is responsible for muscle relaxation, not sure why it would help, but for me it definitely did.

If you think you should supplement potassium do tip the equilibrium in the favor of potassium over iboga, don't! A high dose of magnesium will just go out the other end. A high dose of potassium will all be absorbed and give you certain death

 

[G_Chem]

I've always took just below the threshold dose, but I've found low dosages give a body high very similar to opioids. And make you slightly "happier" for quite some time afterwards. Also I've found that taking a high dose of magnesium will stabilize any cardiac issues from the iboga (at low doses at least)

Ibogaine blocks potassium receptors in muscles which are responsible for muscle contraction. This gives rise to cardiac issues as high doses of iboga will block some of the potassium receptors in your heart making heart muscle contractions more difficult.

Magnesium is responsible for muscle relaxation, not sure why it would help, but for me it definitely did.

If you think you should supplement potassium do tip the equilibrium in the favor of potassium over iboga, don't! A high dose of magnesium will just go out the other end. A high dose of potassium will all be absorbed and give you certain death

I’d be wary of judging a substances “heart relaxing” qualities simply by feel, especially if under the influence of a heavy psychedelic when making said judgements.

-GC