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Opioids Morphine - I have an idea but I dont know if it can be done

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So I obtained several pills of Kadian 100mg morphine sulfate. They are extended release, little beads in a big capsule.

So what I did dump out the beads and did an ol' mortar and pestle technique to grind them up real good.

Then I found out Morphine Sulfate is soluble in water at 60mg/ml. So I put in the proper about of water and swished it around to make sure it collected all the powder and it dissolved.

I then poured more water in to collect the wax bits that got stuck to the side, etc. I then poured it through a very nice fine filter I have that collected all the wax bits and I was left with a beautiful cloudy water mixture.


NOW, here lies my idea/question: is there any way I can take it from there to extract the morphine from that water, kind of like a CWE with tylenol, and wait for it to harden/dry up so I can have it in powdered form? Or is that just nonsense?

Thanks
 
Not nonsense at all.

Since it is still cloudy but the solution is subsaturated with respect to morphine there is something else besides morphine in the water. You can evaporate what you have now to obtain a slightly impure morphine salt, you can filter again through a finer filter to attempt to purify your solution but will likely lose some product, or you can perform a basification to precipitate morphine freebase and decide where you want to go from there.
 
Yeah amapola basically nailed it. If you have access to micron filters I suggest filtering through one of those, and you will have a more 'clear' solution afterward. Then you could evaporate said solution and be left with a more pure morphine salt.
 
Okay I get it now. Perfect. I'll give it a shot in a few days.

Thanks a bunch to both of you.
 
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Yes, you would be filtering out any of the fillers/binders that happen to be water soluble that somehow made it through the first filtering. Cotton isn't very effective to eliminate said ingredients out of the solution, if they were water soluble. A micron filter (smaller the better) will remove most, if not all of the shit you do not want in your shot. Ideally, you would be left with a practically clear solution of water/morphine.
 
Okay awesome I'll be set out to look for a micron filter today, thanks for that, I probably would have used a shitty one haha.

WAIT: one more question. Was it wrong of me to add more water after already dissolving it in 2ml (it was 100mg)? I did it to collect the bits stuck to the sides. I figured it was already dissolved in the water, shouldn't change anything? Might be a dumb question but just checking.
 
I'll give it a shot in a few days.
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I'm not sure how stable morphine sulphate is in a water solution like you have (although there are commercial liquid morphine preparations available). Either way I doubt it is sterilized and you could get bacterial growth. I would recrystallize sooner rather than later.

Okay awesome I'll be set out to look for a micron filter today, thanks for that, I probably would have used a shitty one haha.
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This is only really needed if you are planning on shooting it.
 
amapola said:
I'm not sure how stable morphine sulphate is in a water solution like you have (although there are commercial liquid morphine preparations available). Either way I doubt it is sterilized and you could get bacterial growth. I would recrystallize sooner rather than later.


This is only really needed if you are planning on shooting it.
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Oh, no, not planning on shooting it. Just going to put it in capsules for ease of use to pop or insufflate, whatever.

Also no its not just sitting in a water mix right now, they're still in the Kadian pills. I just meant I will do this whole process in a few days starting from the beginning... grinding them damn beads.

I explained my method from experience as I did it last night and it worked out very well, drank the water.
 
WAIT: one more question. Was it wrong of me to add more water after already dissolving it in 2ml (it was 100mg)? I did it to collect the bits stuck to the sides. I figured it was already dissolved in the water, shouldn't change anything? Might be a dumb question but just checking.
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In this case no it didn't really change anything. It may have allowed a few more binders to get into solution if they were fairly insoluble but practically nothing for your purposes.

Oh, no, not planning on shooting it. Just going to put it in capsules for ease of use to pop or insufflate, whatever.
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In this case just evaporate the solvent after passing it through a coffee filter and you will be good to go!
 
Yeah I was just explaining about the micron filtering if you were planning on shooting it, so you could obtain the cleanest possible solution. Any kind of inactives still in your solution aren't great for you body.

Since you just want to re-capsule your product, then micron filtering isn't necessary like amapola said. Taking it orally, the little bit of inactives left in the solution won't hurt you. So lik amapola said, just filter the rest through a coffee filter, and then evaporate the liquid off. You could do so by using a hot plate, or placing a fan near the container to speed up evaporation. Or you could just let it sit and leave it alone, and it will still evaporate fine, but just may take alittle bit longer.

Anyways, good luck.
 
Thanks for the evaporating ideas, I was wondering how I was going to do that haha. Thanks again this is perfect now.
 
No problem man, glad I could have been some help to you. When you finally do end up trying this let me know. It could be helpful to others in the future, since most people don't have vast chemistry knowledge to be able to perform an extraction. This method is keeping it simple.
 
i dunno whats in kadians but sticking it in the freezer too cool down you might see abit of that cloudiness drop out.

might...
 
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I used to be on Kadian, a mortar and pestle will grind those beads up nicely and will leave you with a nice morphine solution.
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Uh.. I don't think there was ever any question that a morter and pestle would grind up the beads real fine.. The OP specifically stated in his first post that he used a morter and pestle to grind up the beads. The whole point of the thread is discussing how to take the powdered beads, and separate the morphine from the rest of the wax/binders/fillers in the beads. He wants to end up with a more or less pure morphine product.
 
^I think he's saying that you don't have to make a solution to beat the extended release and grinding them up does the job. Or if not than I would like to offer that as an option to the OP as well if he doesn't want to risk losing any product by filtering.
 
If you're going to be doing oral dosing, simply crushing the beads will be sufficient. From what I've read, insufflating them causes a lot of nasal issues and buildup because of the wax.
 
Originally I tried crushing them up, like veerrryyy crushing them up. And then parachuting and insufflating them and it still took a whiiillleee for it to hit.

Whereas, when I crushed it up, dissolved it in water, and filtered out the wax pieces it hit within 30 minutes and much better.
 
hey if youre open to this do it. its IMO/IME the BEST way to take morphine other than IV. keep that morphine solution and dose it rectally. its way more effective than sniffing and eating them.
 
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