Morning Glory Seeds - Secound Time - Dont eat tunafish!!

[altrez2004]

Morning Glory Seeds - Second Time - Dont eat tuna fish!!

Hello all,

Well after my first trip with 25 Morning Glory seeds, I decided I would try a bigger dose of 50 seeds. I had some very good threshold effects with 25 and I normally would not double a dose of anything drug wise. The reason I did was I have read that 240 is a good dose. So I figured 50 would be ok for my second time.

I counted out 50 seeds from my bag and set them aside for later. I then went and ate 3 tuna fish sandwiches. That was a bad idea. About 2 hours later I munched on the seeds and before I could finish I had already started to feel sick. My stomach started to become very angry and puffed out like I had air inside it. I wanted to puke so bad but could not. On a side note I did have plenty of smoke around, but I wanted to feel the pure effects of LSA and not add another dung to it this time.

And then came the tuna fish burps "NASTY" this was very bad. I mean I was in hell from the sickness. Finally after about 2 hours I started to feel the sickness leavening and a very strong feeling of something. Its hard to put into words, I felt very clear headed though very high. I felt dizzy when I stood up and almost scared. I felt like I could understand more complex ideas but at the same time could not keep my mind focused on any one thing. Below is my travel log of the experience.

T+00:00 Ate 50 Heavenly Blue Morning Glory Seeds. Chewed them up to a paste and held in mouth as long as I could then down the hatch.

T+00:30 I feel very sick. I also feel like I am in a different headspace.

T+01:00 Do not eat tuna fish before you plan to experiment with mgs. Trust me I have found this out the hard way.

T+01:30 Starting to feel better. I most defiantly feel the 50 mgs now. I can honestly say that my pupils are starting to grow.

T+02:00 I am sitting on the couch and note that everything around me seems to have an enhanced color. Its almost like I can see new colors. I am color blind but it seems like the mgs have cured it.

T+02:00 The effects are still getting stronger. I notice that when I stand up I get very dizzy. I also start to remember trips I have had with 5-meo-AMT and I get somewhat scared.

T+03:00 I don't know for sure if I can see patters in the carpet or if I just want to. But it sure dose stand out and shadows make it almost look like its raised.

T+04:30 For the last hour or so I have felt sedated almost like I have drank to much beer. But now all of a sudden I have got energy. I am at my peak.

T+05:00 Just ate dinner and DAMN everything tasted so good. I went to the bathroom and looked at my eyes.. They are huge! And almost all black. The walls shimmer and if I look at the carpet for a bit it will show some movement.

T+06:00 I am coming down. Still feel messed up. But not like I was.

T+07:30 Pretty much back to baseline. I drift off to sleep.

All night I have very vivid dreams and sleep peacefully. This is at least 10 times stronger then my 25 seed trip. I am going to try a dose of 65 seeds next. I think it will give me a very solid ++ trip. On a side note I have read of people that eat upwards of 450 seeds. I can not every imagine what that trip would be like. When only 50 effect me for almost 8 hour's.

Thank you for reading. Please be careful if you plan on ingesting these seeds. You could be like me and have a very low tolerance to LSA and get way more then you are excepting.

Much Love

-Altrez

 

[sonic]

Good report, sounds like you had a fun night. You should definately try more next time.

I don't think it was the tuna fish that made you sick. It's the mgs themselves that probably made you sick. Having a full stomach probably didn't help. Expect to get some initial nasuea the next time you trip.

 

[qwe]

"I don't know for sure if I can see patters in the carpet or if I just want to"

Yeah that's happened to me on morning glory, i saw indentions in the carpet forming patterns (mostly symbols actually, i see patterns everywhere else though)

"But now all of a sudden I have got energy."

Same here... when im on MG and riding my bike i go really fast the whole way, i love it

Try smoking pot with the seeds if u want to, it launches ur trip and especially adds a wonderful body sensation

By the way.. my trips have been up to 450 seeds and they werent that strong.. 100 seeds is a light dose.. i think you are only experiencing the threshold of what morning glories can do, if you like it thats fine but im just saying u can take a lot more (though pot or pepto bismol is required if u take larger doses because of the nausea)

 

[sparkle_jez]

It's cool that you started on a low dose and are working your way up, very sensible, respect to you!

I too have a seemingly very low tolerance to LSA (and a fairly low tolerance to LSD and Mushrooms). I never went above 150 seeds!
I took 150 seeds on my first tme (first time with any psychedelic for that matter), and although I loved it and it is still to this day one of the best trips i've had to this day on any psychedelic, it was a bit too much and it was very difficult towards the end.
So yeah, 50 would be a light trip for me, with a few minor visuals, everything more colourful and brighter, decent mental effects, 100 would be my common dose, with some good visuals (swirling tapestries, some melting), strong CEV's, strong mind-trip, very introspective. 150 would be a very strong dose, very strong mental effects, CEV's that would whisk me away to Alien planets and landscapes (something that has never happened on LSD, was unique to morning glories and one of the best things about them), pleasant floating sensation and pleasant sedation, though OEV's were about the same as a 'common dose'......LSA is not very visual, no fractals or geometrics. If you are wanting strong visuals, you wont be very impressed with LSA.


Just keep on doing what you are doing, and build it up slowly......I think 75 seeds would be sensible.

It's crazy though, because some people claim that they need 750 seeds to feel anything!

Nice report.

P.S
Avoid tunafish!


That mustve been truly horrific!!!!

 

[DJAngrE]

I heard from a woman who was taking valium that she tripped hard one time after consuming fish. her doctor later told her after the emergency room visit, that benzos don't combine with fish because the fish are a potent source of Magnesium. i don't know if this would interract with LSA compounds in your system or what, but i would suggest staying away from fish during most trips if you could, or other sources of magnesium. just an idea i had

 

[DJAngrE]

......LSA is not very visual, no fractals or geometrics. If you are wanting strong visuals, you wont be very impressed with LSA.

I would like to add that when i smoked a single hit of weed two hours after consuming 100 hb morning glory seeds i had a complete mental and visual trip that included hexagonal geometric fractals and kaleidoscopic CEVs.

know your chemicals, but also know your own brain. good to start small

 

[altrez2004]

So far for me, LSA has been unlike anything else I have tried. I value everyones input so much and would like to say thank you and remember

JUST SAY NO TO TUNA FISH!

-Altrez

 

[sparkle_jez]

I would like to add that when i smoked a single hit of weed two hours after consuming 100 hb morning glory seeds i had a complete mental and visual trip that included hexagonal geometric fractals and kaleidoscopic CEVs.

fair enough, I don't doubt that at all.

I never mixed it with pot, never felt the need too.

I didn't get many OEV's, just the crazy 'strobe lighting' effect and intense colours, and swirling tapestries.....But i've gotten far better visuals on acid and mushrooms where I just see incredible geometric fractals that just don't belong in this universe all over the walls and over my hands and arms, and my entire house has melted away on 4/5grams of dried cubensis!

CEV's on LSA though....Craziness! Not only kaleidoscopic, but also being whisked away to alien planets, and meeting shamans round campfires and aboriginals in caves!

 

[hydrobromide]

I'm really sensitive to the morning glory seeds as well. My first time I planned on taking 300, but ended up only eating ~75. For me MGS give me a stronger mental trip than anything else I've tried (and that's quite a bit). The experience to me is like experiencing everything in life again for the first time. The smallest things around me put me in a complete state of awe. I have a tendency to have these mental trips where an idea seems really cool to me, and I think about how cool that is, and I then think about how cool it is that I had that thought, and that cycle keeps compounding itself until I'm in a state of complete ecstasy. I never really get very many visuals (tracers, color shifts, slight movement), but who cares, the feeling and the trip are so good, I could care less about having visuals.

I want to note that the method of ingestion GREATLY affects your experience. Most people opt for the cold water extraction. It works, BUT the trip is completely different. It's more sedating, and not as intense - even if you use a large amount of seeds (600 or more !).

I think that this is due to that we know that LSA-111 is soluble in water. This is not the ONLY active ingredient in the MGS. LSA-111 is the compound that gives the trip a sedating, cloudy feeling. I think it's the OTHER alkaloids (about a dozen other ones) that make the trip really shine. They don't seem to be as soluble in water, and that's why there's such a difference between the two methods of ingestion.

Chewing the seeds, or eating ground up seed powder gives you the full trip, but you get MUCH more nausea and bad feelings and the begining.

Cold water extractions can eliminate most if not all of the nausea, but the trip is less intense, and less interesting.

Random fact: Although it's not very efficient, the MGS alkaloids can be absorbed through your skin if you grind the seeds up and put the powder on your skin. It helps if you're sweating, to increase absorbtion. I made a post about this in PD. You can search for "dermal application of morning glory seeds" or something ike that if you're interested in reading more about that.

 

[DJAngrE]

great points about the different methods of ingestion HBr. I think you summed up the positives and negatives about chewing/grinding swallowing very well.

I found morning glory to be a mental trip one time, then months later nearly all visual... very interesting experiences all of them, but i never know exactly to expect. personally i like not knowing too much, i'd rather just go with the flow and enjoy letting go for a few hours or more if i'm lucky

 

[n_Ovis]

That's interesting, I never got that much out of MG seeds. I tried them several times, and the only time I got really noticable effects when was I ground up a good amount of them[200 I beleive] in a coffee grinder and let them chill in some water for awhile before drinking the water[and chewing up the sludge in the bottom]. I only got minor effects, similar to the oncome of a DXM or possible a MDMA trip without the stimulant effect. Things felt kind of distant and I had a generally mild sense of a "trip". A video game a played really pulled me and absorbed me, things I'd try to focus on seemed very distant.

Did you buy your seeds from a store? I picked mine from the side of a road, that might have had a lot to do with lack of potency.

 

[Ghettotastic_bong]

I find that morning glory seeds vary greatly in psychoactivity based on the spefic batch of seeds. I've had experences where i've eaten over 800 seeds and have had one hell of a trip, but never was in a +++ state. Ironically, the weaker seeds that i've gotten were from websites that cater to drug users as opposed to more innocent ventures. I wouldn't be suprised if many experenced morning glory users have a vendor of choice (I certaintly know i have one ). Effects can also greatly vary between batches, i've had effects that were comparable to MDA from one batch, and experences that gave me muscle tension and little else. I suspect that the reason why bluelighers seem so sharpy divided on the issue of morning glories as a psychoactive is due to the lack of "quality control" among companies.

Perhaps i have some sort of natural tolerance to psychedelics, it's hard to say, but effects vary wildly between different people. I've always found morning glories to be less of a visual experence and more of a psychedelic one, your thought patterns are strongly effected by the seeds, and yet, visuals usually aren't as common. Just an observation.

 

[yaesutom]

Wow. Well I recently had gotten some hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. Now its been a few years, and i wanted to give it a go again. I tried once with morning glory's (ahh some stupid water thing) and all that did was sedate me. I then tried eating maybe 4-5 hbwr seeds with some friends. Now, usually NOTHING makes me sick, I can eat all sorts of psychedelic chems and never get any nausea. Well while my friends were having a light fun trip, I spent most of that day, throwing up. I got some mild effects but felt sick for the most part.

So its years later, and so I cut about 5 seeds up (not real finely just somewhat) and put them in a capsule and took it. Waited a while and felt a mild effect but not much so I ...well, i ate another capsule of about 5 seeds, then after that once again, another 5 seeds but this time i just chewed on them and crushed them in my mouth and swallowed with some water.

Well I was typing on the computer and started noticing the sedation. Now I dont know if others have noticed this, but I find the beginning effects of these, very, VERY similar to a lowish oral dose of 5-meo-dmt (with maoi). My body felt similar, the closed eyes "view" (nothing really but its a similar blankness like 5meo-dmt) and when i moved around everything was "fluid" - again like 5-meo-dmt. Unfortunately the sick feeling grew, although it was not nauseating really (ok maybe barely but not like i remember it) and I just wanted to lay down. I noticed also that sound/music, sounded just like when you take 5-meo-dmt (really doesn't have to be orally, smoked at low doses also) which is sorta hard to explain in words. Well, i layed down and fell asleep. Time was also flying by, same thing i'd get with 5-meo-dmt.

I woke up the first time what seemed like a short time later but really a couple hours had passed. More trails and could tell the effects were changing, the many LSAs all being active and overlapping at slightly different times. Fell asleep again. Woke up again hours later, and noticed what a beautiful trip had begun! The trip was less 5-meo-dmt like, and more colorful, and the trip did remind me of being a child, like everything was "new", similar to what others have put. Beautiful long trails now.

I REALLY REALLY wish I could have enjoyed the trip! The only thing holding me back was the sick feeling, and major sedation. It was not the type of sedation I could have just popped an amphetamine pill to get rid of. I literally could barely get out of bed. This is a strange reaction as I know friends that love morning glory's and hbwr's, and don't read too much about what I experience.

Now, if LSA-111 is the one causing a lot of sedation (or hopefully most of it), and its water soluble, maybe the better ones are not water soluble (or hopefully at least some of them)? Could doing an 'extraction' with water, pouring out the water and then just eating whats left possibly do some good? I wish there was a way to extract just the 'good' ones and have a non-sedating trip.. Any ideas? If no one has tried this yet, maybe when I have a weekend where i'm prepared to sleep a LOT just in case, maybe i will try something like this. I really want to have the experience, but where i'm able to actually move and not fall asleep! Even if a water extraction did take out a lot of goodies, hopefully it would leave at least some of the interesting LSAs with a lot less of that 111 or other possible nasty ones. I should do some reading up on these and maybe just post some questions in PD.. %)

 

[qwe]

well it seems that LSA dosnt affect me that much, as i dont get a powerful mental trip from 450, but my friend has tried them (about 100 seeds) and got a huge and terrible trip where he had a near death experience and met jesus.. i think this is due though to his huge ego, which apparently resisted the affects, and the fact that he didnt sleep at all the night before, and his lack of knowledge of the substance

" didn't get many OEV's, just the crazy 'strobe lighting' effect and intense colours, and swirling tapestries" yeah that explains my visual affects well on LSA and pot

p.s for those who experience nausea, pot and/or pepto bismol really should help... lsa is a really great experience