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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

Monster energy and insomnia

Switching form Phenibut to Baclofen would be pretty pointless because they have pretty much the same effect it like replacing Heroin with Oxycodone.

Personally I find Kratom very relaxing, there no physical stimulation like high blood pressure or fast heart beat causing more anxiety. The stimulant effect of Kratom is more like having energy and enjoying what you are doing. I could not compare its effect to anything, Kratom have it own unique effect. It really lowered my anxiety. Remember that its more an opioid then a stimulant.

If its still legal in your country, you should really try it. I used to buy large order 1,2 kilo to 1,5 kilo and this stuff lasted for more then 6 months even if I was abusing everyday. Bulk kratom is very cheap.
 
Unfortunately, the suboxone I take would block any anti-anxiety effects from kratom, which is a shame because I have a lot of it. I've decided how I'm gonna get off phenibut: I'm going to take a 5 day taper of etizolam. I was given a 6 day taper of a benzo in rehab to detox me from alcohol, (starting with v high doses) and I know it was excellent for that. (Also phenibut is a gaba b agonist, just like alcohol).

I had no idea valerian had an effect on gaba, that's interesting. Apparently, 5htp and st johns wort are also quite good for anxiety. Then there's just plain gaba (as sold in supplements) but of course that isn't psycho-active. Thanks for the advice everyone btw, much appreciated.
 
Damn, are you gonna stop taking Suboxone ?

Personally, I dont find Valerian and St-Johns Wort very effective, Valerian mixed with a bunch of other product like in a herbal tea, with chamomille, red poppy, mint, orange balm, catnip, passion flower, hibiscus and other stuff like that does have a relaxing effect, but alone, not much.

I never felt anything from St-Johns Wort but I never took it for long period, meaby it just work like every anti-depressant, over time.

Plain GABA is garbage, some claim that is does cross BBB in large amount just like some say Loperamide does too, it pretty much bullshit IMO.
 
I've been on suboxone for 8 damn years now; I will begin a very gradual taper within months, and coming off of it will be a MAJOR thing for me-it's got me hooked in a big way. In fact, that's originally why I joined BL: to research ways of coming off bupe painlessly. I have a very addictive personality; I wish I could change that about myself.

I think the effects of herbal remedies like st johns wort etc are very subtle in nature, and would seem barely noticeable to somebody used to chems. (Although, saying that I've had some luck with herbal sleep-aids.

Just out of curiosity, how much kratom do you use daily? Also, have you ever noticed any physical WD symptoms if you stop? There's so little hard data on kratom....
 
I used to take doses of 5 to 10g, 1 to 3 time a day. So between 5 to 30g but most of the time I was taking about 15g in a day. Kratom is addictive but the risk for health doesnt really exist, beside constipation there are not any other side effect. High dose of Kratom are not pleasant, when I tried increasing the dose too much I always become nauseous and dizzie and its pretty unpleasant.

I have withdrawn from Kratom cold turkey for some reason, I was stuck in a hospital for 2 weeks so the withdrawal was very mild even if I was taking quite a lot of it every days. The symptoms was insomnia, mild depression and the physical symptom was just a little agitation.

You might also want to read this : http://www.kratom.net/content.php?4...-Kratom-and-their-known-or-potential-activity Its a list of Kratom alkaloids and their effect. There are plenty of immunostimulant and antioxydant in kratom which makes it even better for health then tea.

Theres also alot of interesting information of Kratom.net that you might want to read.

And I wish you good luck for your Suboxone thing.
 
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Drinking coffee is something I couldn't live without, even though I tend to drink too much and get headaches. The first cup of the morning is v important to me. Maybe changing to tea is an idea; it gives you the caffeine energy, but also strangely relaxing.
 
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...because for some reason I had no energy and had to work during this period. So the first few days I started drinking this I didnt suffered much insomnia but now it become worst day after day.
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I'd say one thing to look at before medicating your lethargy is if there may be underlying issues causing it. During the said period, did you have things that needed taking care of that were not enjoyable for you? This alone can cause a temporary depression, resulting in your subconscious undermining you, low energy as you don't want to be doing whatever it is to start, then the urge to stay up late once you're done with whatever unpleasantry was at hand.

The cycle repeats and worsens, adding stimulants will often only further perpetuate it. This may or may not be relevant to your situation, but I think it's at the least worth consideration.

As an aside to many of the posts in this thread: Please no posting Q&A type stuff about the legalities of various substances in different regions. As bL serves a global community, it's generally not constructive, and usually ends up fringing on sourcing. Thanks.
 
didnt read all the replies , but here's what i have to say:

. energy drinks are really bad for you (obviously) just research how bad they are. and i've had plenty of monster energy drinks before i'm called a hypocrite, I liked the taste and the feeling but ultimately a waste of money if you compare it to coffee/tea in bulk. Huge $ sink actually...
. just from reading the label, you're getting more than 100% of something, it's probably not a good idea to have it unless you are deficient in that area or something
. black tea (it's still strong and gona last a while) > coffee (prob same deal) > energy drinks
. if you have a low tolerance to caffeine, or simply sensitive to it like I am, yes, it will last A WHILE. (longer than 6 hours, for sure). it affects people differently. Try something else. Eat vegetables, take a cold shower, and go for a run instead for some energy :)
. caffeine is not for everyone. If you stick to just coffee or black tea, which give you heaps of energy on their own, perhaps a) you won't feel insomniac towards the end of the night, b) be and feel healthier and c) eventually you may build a tolerance to it, where it won't affect you as hard (but then you may have a headache and be really sluggish on the days you don't have it, so be careful! :) )

Make sure you are getting enough nutrients from your food, eat healthy. go see a doctor/nutritionist if you're feeling sluggish. caffeine can rob you of nutrients, esp water. if your job is physical make sure you're getting enough protein throughout the day too. also soda and that sort of stuff does rot your teeth. coffee/tea only stains it :) brush yo teeth lol
 
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I'd say one thing to look at before medicating your lethargy is if there may be underlying issues causing it. During the said period, did you have things that needed taking care of that were not enjoyable for you? This alone can cause a temporary depression, resulting in your subconscious undermining you, low energy as you don't want to be doing whatever it is to start, then the urge to stay up late once you're done with whatever unpleasantry was at hand.

The cycle repeats and worsens, adding stimulants will often only further perpetuate it. This may or may not be relevant to your situation, but I think it's at the least worth consideration.
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I had issues, its was during I was severely sick from my AH-7921 withdrawal that caused me stomach issues from too much vomiting, I barely ate anything during a period of 2 weeks and lost 17 pounds.

Now the problem is that Im still drinking those because I have a lot of difficulty to deal without drugs, I wale up and I keep thinking about Monster energy. Damn and its a very expensive habbit, much more then drug.

@shaddi, taking more then 100% of vitamins isnt really an issue because the excess of vitamins end up in your urine. I can relate to that because when I was doing bodybuilding I was using a multivitamin that was way too potent for someone of my size, I think they were made for bodybuilder that weight like 350 pounds of muscles. Anyway 1 exemple is that they get me 4500% of vitamin B6 and my urine was so gold and I knew it was the vitamins because it always happened after I took them.

Though if you take too much vitamins everyday for a long period, it may start to damage your liver, personally I was just taking those once a week to be sure I was getting everything I need during the week.
 
One very interesting drug I'm ordering soon is piccamilon; it's another one of these russian "astronaut" drugs. Very similar to phenibut-they added something to gaba so it could cross the bbb. Apparently, it isn't addictive like phenibut. In small doses it's supposed to be sedating, in larger doses it's said to be stimulating, and an excellent anti-anxiety drug. This is new to me - has anybody tried this by any chance?
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Ive not heard of this but its very interesting.
I would take any claims of non-addictiveness with a large pinch of salt; Most drugs that affect the GABA complex and particulary the GABA a subunits is likely to be highly addictive.
The only exception I know of is muscimol and its immediate family as its a GABA a direct agonist and its effects are fairly unpleasant, and Baclofen for GABA b (however thats prob disputable).
You could try starting a thread on it and see if anyone knows anything about it.
 
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From what I read, its a prodrug of GABA so Picamilon is broke down into GABA and Niacin in about 0,5-1h causing an elevation of GABA concentration in the brain. I suspect it to be mild and short acting.
 
It's also a fair bit expensive, although active at smaller doses. It's interesting the way they're making these drugs by adding stuff to naturally occurring gaba; some of them are very effective too.

Of course any type of gaba agonist I've encountered have been addictive, so it's good to be cautious...

(Just read that as a sedative/anxiolytic, it works in the mg per kilo of body weight range).

Edit: good suggestion, bunge; I'll start a new thread about it on other drugs.
 
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Im now on Bupropion 150mg daily, should I avoid Caffeine like HELL YES or meaby ? Also is there any other common interaction that I should avoid ?

Im currently having bad insomnia because of the Bupropion, I took it at 11am so it was a little late but I got the script at this time so I took it anyway, even if I took 100mg of Quetiapine I dont feel tired at all.
Will I suffer insomnia even if I take it at like 7-8 am ?
 
Oh yeah, I remember. It's 'script only over here, so it's not something I have much experience with.

Right now, stimulants are the last thing on my mind; gaba-ergenics are becoming an increasing problem for me. My phenibut tolerance is through the roof right now, and I'm using etizolam too often. I need to control this before it gets out of hand. I'm researching natural gaba-ergenics right now to help me achieve this-there isn't a great deal of choice, however.
 
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