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Cocaine Modern day purification process that works?

fairnymph said:
Regardless of whether you basify with sodium bicarbonate or ammonia, the products will be water soluble. Do you want me to draw out the reactions for you?
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No that's cool, I understand the process and that regardless of whether you base with soda or ammonia the end result would be the same (for these purposes anyway)

I was trying to understand what the end result of basing the boric would be. Because it's an acid and basing it would essentially neutralize its acidity. What chemically would be the end result of the reaction?
 
Much less dangerous than ether an plenty of people seem to use it without issues.
But yes most organic & Petro solvents are usually pretty flammable and must be used with care.

As with many things in life, if you're carelessness or foolish they will eventually kill you.
 
westcoast250 said:
No that's cool, I understand the process and that regardless of whether you base with soda or ammonia the end result would be the same (for these purposes anyway)

I was trying to understand what the end result of basing the boric would be. Because it's an acid and basing it would essentially neutralize its acidity. What chemically would be the end result of the reaction?
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Felonious Monk said:
I would hesitate to call anything dealing with hexane easy. Isn't that quite volatile and difficult to use?
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Difficult to use? I'm curious what you meant by that.
westcoast250 said:
Much less dangerous than ether an plenty of people seem to use it without issues.
But yes most organic & Petro solvents are usually pretty flammable and must be used with care.

As with many things in life, if you're carelessness or foolish they will eventually kill you.
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Also it's got the exact same hazard rating 1/3/0 as acetone.
 
fairnymph said:
It’s probably not removing much the hexane step won’t remove anyway. I fully support people doing thorough purification. But we also need to keep in mind ways to streamline these processes for those who will only do the bare minimum.

Most IV users won’t even use a wheel/micron filter.
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Agreed for sure. Just with my limited organic chemistry theoretical knowledge I thought why not use an acetone rinse prior to basing to eliminate anything possible then. Rather than risking basing something that could have been done away with before hand. Leaving less to deal with for the water / hexane portion of the workup.

Could be wrong, it's definitely happened before
 
fairnymph said:
Regardless of whether you basify with sodium bicarbonate or ammonia, the products will be water soluble. Do you want me to draw out the reactions for you?
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For some reason I'm having trouble with the threading in the forums. Seems like I can't see many of the responses. And they change perhaps edits? Not sure.

I swear you'd posted the boric basification chemistry but I only saw it for a moment now I can't find it.

I'd love to see it if you want to pm it?

Im just learning but very much enjoy the actual science. Hence the reason I'm more than happy to sit on probably an ounce and a half of various samples of not very good blow until my glassware and Chems arrive.
 
westcoast250 said:
For some reason I'm having trouble with the threading in the forums. Seems like I can't see many of the responses. And they change perhaps edits? Not sure.

I swear you'd posted the boric basification chemistry but I only saw it for a moment now I can't find it.

I'd love to see it if you want to pm it?

Im just learning but very much enjoy the actual science. Hence the reason I'm more than happy to sit on probably an ounce and a half of various samples of not very good blow until my glassware and Chems arrive.
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Yeah I was having technical difficulties, sorry about that. The products are different if you use sodium bicarbonate but ammonia is better to use anyway.
 
What happens if I just wash with anhydrous acetone, pour over a coffee filter, and let dry, can I just use it?
 
LastRun223 said:
What happens if I just wash with anhydrous acetone, pour over a coffee filter, and let dry, can I just use it?
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You can for sure. This is what's referred to as an acetone wash. A common process these days. While it will improve quality for sure it misses many things. It's a great first step though.

I'm nearing the point of testing a pretty simple but multi step cleanup that should do an amazing job of purification.
Will of course report back when it's tested.
 
Definitely get back to me on that I’m not super into it to the point I wanna set up a lab again but if there’s a simple method I’m down to try it
 
westcoast250 said:
You can for sure. This is what's referred to as an acetone wash. A common process these days. While it will improve quality for sure it misses many things. It's a great first step though.

I'm nearing the point of testing a pretty simple but multi step cleanup that should do an amazing job of purification.
Will of course report back when it's tested.
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Did you ever get your process down? I’m looking for something that is a step above just an acetone wash. I just recently posted a step by step I used but I feel like I’m missing a step or doing something wrong.
 
westcoast250 said:
No me neither. I'm big on loopholes and workarounds. I would pay for it for a year and capture the data coming and going and create my own database or something. Great product though. Sadly with their pricing model lots of small harm reduction organizations can't afford it.

At that price they should give you the device and charge for the service
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I would love to see something like this, I have recently considered buying a 200x microscope attachment and taking pictures of each sample….

, we have a free FTIR process available here, mostly used by street level/homeless addict type people, although I did pop in once to test something sketchy and when I was there I got to talking with the tech. She basically does it all day long, told me that within 5% they can identify most things.. as in if there’s 2% meth in your blow, she might not see it, but if there was 50% she could guess it was between 45-55%, as far as the cuts, she basically says there’s often stuff they can’t identify but is checked against opiate/benzo type contaminants…

Back to my microscope deal, I was hoping to have access to a comparison catalog of maybe 40-50 images or so, as the cocaine images are distinct and do indeed vary a bit by refinement etc… I don’t know if you got anywhere with your back engineering idea. But I wanted to throw my thought out there as well, as I think along the same lines often.
 
westcoast250 said:
Muriatic acid in a jar, small tubing attached at the lid. Drop some balls of aluminum foil in.
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Totally wrong. This will make AlCl3 and H2.

2 easy ways to make hcl gas are sulfuric acid + nacl or HCL directly on to calcium chloride.

I do not recommend anyone without chem experience playing w HCL gas.
 
westcoast250 said:
Can anyone tell me what happens to boric acid when based? This is the only part I'm struggling with
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Depends on the base but bases react with acids to make salts. NaOH + boric acid = sodium borate salts and h2o.

Borate salts tend to have low solubility in h2o just fyi so they may precipitate out with fb coke. Very dif consistency tho
 
westcoast250 said:
From my research this far it seems that dissolving coke freebase in hexane and washing with water 5 or so times is the most successful / easy to do. Apparently this will remove most of the Levamisole.

This might bode well for the boric acid as well as it is apparently relatively insoluble in hexane. Though not being a chemist I'll have to look into what happens to boric acid that is present when coke HCl is converted to freebase.

Also sounds as though the hexane will remove procaine base, and benzocaine base along with the Levamisole.

So as a starting point I'm thinking. A few acetone washes of the HCL, dry and convert to freebase.
Finely powder and do a few water washes.
Then dissolve in hexane. Filter anything that doesn't dissolve. Transfer to new container.
Wash the hexane with water by adding distilled water in a 5:1 ratio water to hexane to the container and stirring, agitating or shaking.

Seperate water & hexane layers retain the hexane and repeat 5x.
Evaporate the hexane to see what's left.

Dissolve in acetone and bubble with HCl gas generator.

This is as far as I've gotten so far.

Thoughts?
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Sounds fine chemically there will be some mechanical losses obviously I would not do this with less than a gram or ideally 3.5 g also just at the end acetone may not be a good solvent for gassing as I feel it absorbs a lot of H2O from the atmosphere therefore leaving is supposed to snow HCL to dissolve in the miniscule amount of water that the acetone will inherently contain. Perhaps try gassing the clean dry hexane itself and then washing with dry cold acetone otherwise an excellent process but probably out of reach for the vast majority of blue lighting this is a very chemically involved process more suitable for bees
 
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