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MK-801 - first few experiences - All systems go

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mk-801 trip report, all systems go

200ml=10mg
20ml=1mg
2ml=100um
1ml=50um

the first shot of 50um IM had little effect, some tinnitus. i lay down and experienced a definited slowing of myheart, part of kprogramming. some slow strobing visual effects and CEV, onset in about 25min. got a sex vibe, took care of it, orgasm is prolonged, unlike dxm which is counterorgastic. munched some stuff. time lag visial like heavy dxm. seemed mostly over after an hour and a half, took some abmien and went to sleep.

second try i inject 100ug. this still not developing into much. i think another 100um. okay, that's enough for the next four hours. will keep y'all posted. for the most part it seems very hypnotic - i'm swaying with the music, feeling very light weight. typing is difficult. i believe i could stare at the sky and not see the clouds.



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A Fascinating description of a thoroughly untested compound (by recreational psychonauts :) )

Thank you!
 
Excellent, thanks for being the first to report (that I've seen) on this substance. <3

It's active orally, right? Why did you choose IM?

How far apart were your trials? From this report it sounds like your first trial at 50µg was more intense than your second at 100µg. I could be misreading it, or it could be that you had a tolerance by the second attempt.

(Actually, on rereading this it looks like your post might have been made while still under the influence of the second 100µg, and in fact all these trials may have taken place today leading up to this post. If so, I'll reserve judgment until your trip is over.)

How does it compare to other dissociatives?
 
IM is probly the best for the same reason IMing K is the best. Quick, clean onset with no material wasted. Snorting it could be wasteful, smoking it could completely ruin the chem. But personally I would take it like acid and I would have a while ago but I had to go to a family reunion and a wedding and just started my job so I'll definatly get a few days off some time with in the week probly with a 500ug SC and some combos aswell, It's really been killing me not to be able to taste it.
 
nononono. mk-801 is VERY wicked. looked at my post and edited it, out of vanity the typos and shit, not like me. the evil zombie effect - body keeps going but brain is not there.

there are some *holes* in my memory in the last 24hrs. i woke up after almost no sleep, went shopping, wrote list on my hand, now i can't read it, just nonsense.

i later did a 400ug dose - did it do anything? or do i just not remember? i watched a tv series dvd, and i couldn't remember if i've seen it before.

i do NOT like this experience. it's creepy, like jacob's ladder creepy. i'm looking at the liquid and very seriously considering pouring it out. i mean, the initial effect was somewhat euphoric, but people with lobotomies are often happy. nononono.

and JUST SO YOU KNOW the whole purpose of this is that i can't really afford ketamine. with mk-801 (+), maybe 1mg costs the same as 200mg of ketamine. i had hoped that maybe 500ug would be an experience, but i'm just not going to go there. geez, my head is still ringing, weird not rightness.
 
Disappointing. :( I'm still curious though. Can you compare it qualitatively to DXM or PCP or K?

at&C, that forensic article is very interesting, and disturbing. First of all, "MK-801 can produce an acute structural change in brain tissue that can be seen as fluid-filled spaces that gradually diminish over a 24 hour period". That doesn't sound too good. I wonder if it relates to the 24 hour memory holes that tantric reported.

Also, does this article refer to (-)mk-801 instead of (+)mk-801? It refers to the active dose being 0.06mg - 0.1mg / kg, which is about 10 times what tantric was using. Fuck, any chemical where there are two versions, easily confused, and one is 10 times stronger than the other, is gonna be BAD NEWS. Expect more fatalities... :(
 
It seems to me this initial result seems to at least give caution to those (zealots) who think that animal neurotoxicity has no relevance for human neurochem
 
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It seems to me this initial result seems to at least give caution to those (zealots) who think that animal neurotoxicity has no relevance for human neurochem
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Agreed.

Personally, I knew that it would prove to be a pretty negative experience. Ketamine, DXM, and PCP are "special" in that they actually CAN, but don't always, produce a positive experience.
 
Yeah, this one sounds a little too dangerous for experimentation, temporary holes in the head, not my cup of tea. Mind you I think there's much excitement building up about alternate NMDA agonists (?). I suspect that other untried analogs might appear in due course, since a certain document holds out the possibility of incredibly potent cocaine and morphine style compounds, as well as new dissociatives slumbering amongst their ranks. And as the forensic report demonstrates there's no shortage of 'researchers' willing put themselves on the line.
 
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My personal opinion is that NMDA agonists are not good as recreational drugs, and like magickalkat, I agree that Ketamine, DXM and PCP are unique in their ability to have useful psychedelic effects. I have a feeling that ketamine is the best they will ever be, and new NMDA agonists will be much more toxic and without any useful effects. I really think it's a dead end, and a waste of time for any who want to explore this category of drugs.
 
something for the skeptics. here's a bit i didn't get to mention. when trying to sleep, the ear-ringing became particularly annoying. unlike other such experiences, it's not *random*, so
it's impossible to tune out. in fact, when you focus on it, there are voices. i've had this experience before, but the mk-801 version is quite different. for one, the voices have accents and tones and patterns that are clearly not mine. they all seem to be in english, but then again, i'm tuning out what i don't understand, so i'm not sure what that's worth. furthermore, the different voices seems to talk about different things, but all of them mostly meaningless. some are like radio comentary, some are just repetitive mindless
subvocalizations, like people talking to themselves. at one point, the sounds seems to have some visual component, but it was weirdly fuzzy and indistinct, more like an idea than a picture. let me add that this was 100% dysphoric. on the other hand, when i've had this experience before on other drugs, the voices were all male or sexless and accentless. i actually associate the "radio in the head" bit with lsd and i never considered it anything but
a hallucination - when you've had too much and you want it to stop, in your bedroom in the dark, etc. this, however, seemed VERY MUCH like telepathy. the ketamine telepathy experience is totally different - it's like being in love so much you just think the same things. the mk-801 is like having a tv going in the next room, with no visuals so the dialogue doesn't make sense. i actually have pet mice i use in ketamine trips - i can at times switch into mouse point-of-view, feel the mouse mind, and urge my little friend to do this or do that, and watch it happen. there is a very strong feeling of love with this - the mouse (her name is flora), is my friend, i protect her and she loves me, and somehow the ketamine increases the bond. dxm psychic experiences, on the other hand, are always VERY weird and surreal. the only quasi-telepathic experience i've really had had to do with information transfer between two people both on low doses. i was trying to teach a friend chemistry, and the info was just flooding from mind to mind, like the rest of world was not there. in a few hours' time, he grokked a huge amount of chem, that had taken me months to learn. it was odd and overwhelming, but
GOOD - there's no way this could happen with a stranger. on the other hand, the mk-801 was like a horror novel phone call from hell. it was MUCH more distinct and powerful than the pseudopsi effects of k or dxm, but it was also WRONG. ever had the phone ring and you pick it up and there's no one there, but you listen and listen and there's this whispering and then you slam down the phone - well, imagine that was a radio in your room you couldn't turn off or get away from. nonononono.

in anycase, i'd say that mk-801 is NOT recreational. on the other hand, if you want a shamanic power drug, go for it. have a trip sitter. be aware that the effect seems to last a LONG time. start at 50ug and work up. do NOT compound doses - one per day, period. i really don't think low doses are neurotoxic - in rats, this effect is at 2mg/kg, which would be a HUGE amount in a 70kg primate. i don't really understand how that could work, perhaps it
actually causes prolonged unconciousness, i'm not sure. it does NOT say microgram, which would make sense. also, im'ing doesn't help - 200ug sublingual is almost instantly noticeable, and as far as i can tell, just as potent. 400ug im seemed way beyond useful. be aware that there is memory impairment, and significant mental impairment, kinda like valium - it just makes you *dumb*. also, even the tiny amount doesn't dissovle well - there is still visible
particulate matter, which might be dust or might not. it was distilled water, there should be none, but there is. shake well. your mileage may vary.

i'm done with this compound. i did try a 200ug sublingual dose, but all i really did was zone out and stare, with a strange heavy feeling in the chest. i'm writing this under the effect, but this time i'm aware of the mental impairment and being more careful about typos, at least i hope. i plan on taking ambien to sleep - there is evidence that benzo's reduce the NAN effect. peace.

i guess i'll compile this all and submit to erowid, anyone else wants to do the work, feel free.

ps, if i've earned any psychonaut karma with this, pm me. frankly, the "i told ya so" bit is annoying.
 
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the double spacing of the last post was annoying.. sorry had to say.

i think everyone thats interested in psychedelics appreciates your intriguing experimentation on this relatively unstudied-in-humans compound. be careful, this stuff is more dangerous than K according to Dr. Jansen.

PEACE
 
Am I wrong for still wanting to try this one?

It doesn't sound pleasant at all, but even so I'd like to see. And I wonder if it could be combined with a low dose of a more euphoric substance (not MDMA or another serotonin-dumper, of course, but maybe shrooms or something).
 
I've got to say, it doesn't sound that bad to me... Not toxic, or anything...

Some people who love PCP hate K, and vice versa. The real question is, how did this guy get it? I don't want a source, just a reassurance that it was the real shit.

Did you get it from a supplier or some guy on the street?

Also, I think it's preety funny, but I calculated the active range of MK-801 to be 100-500µg in humans a year ago.
 
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A few questions for the sages out there, what is the chemical formula/name for MK-801 ? Must you inject this or is it also active orally ?
 
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