Mixing mushrooms with Oxycodone (feat. The Great Shroom Spirit Debate)

[szuko000]

This thread has been hijacked by the spirits discussion.

I have done mushrooms and i dont think there are spirits, nor do i feel like mushrooms will care what you put in your body. I realize where people might get the idea that they are inhabitted by spirits but for whatever reason im into science so i disregard this right away. The most ive done is 8.5g had the egoloss the whole 9 yards. Amazing sure but proof of spirits or god nah.

The problem is we are the same. You see spirits i see science. Like everything else we will never convince eachother. I highly doubt a trip will change my view because id just attribute it to chemicals not spirits and you the opposite.

The only way to sovle this arguement is to agree to say that everyone has their own views on something that will never be proved or disproved. So ill end it with this, at least my people will have the nuke first and we will convert the non-believers to radioactive dust!

*Just take the mushrooms and oxy and draw your own conclusions.

 

[Armoth]

This has nothing to do with trying mushrooms. This has to do with two different views upon a subject. Implying that one has to take drugs to understand this matter is completely off-the-wall. What drugs I've taken has absolutely no relevance.

You're pretty much saying anyone who takes mushrooms becomes religious. I'll be happy to inform you that's not the case.

That's completely beside the point. You are attempting to make an illogical conclusion to a drug you've never bothered to try. I'm not saying I believe spirits make me trip, or that afterwards I become deeply religious, but I can tell you that mushrooms are to be given respect. Much like any other psychedelic, but the differences In substances are VERY apparent when you take the time to notice them, instead of just "Tripping because they affect the seritonin receptors". The method of action of tryptamines and phenethylamines is still a bit of a mystery, but even though they all effect certain receptors, they all produce subtly, if not completely, different experiences.

 

[ladyinthesky]

i took 30 mg during my come down, took a 4 hour shower with my s/o. we just talked and itched, it was fun and i was able to fall asleep at the end of the trip

 

[dread]

at least my people will have the nuke first and we will convert the non-believers to radioactive dust!

Judging by that quote, "Your people" will never truly understand mushrooms no matter how many grams you take or how dead your ego gets

 

[Mjäll]

That's completely beside the point. You are attempting to make an illogical conclusion to a drug you've never bothered to try. I'm not saying I believe spirits make me trip, or that afterwards I become deeply religious, but I can tell you that mushrooms are to be given respect. Much like any other psychedelic, but the differences In substances are VERY apparent when you take the time to notice them, instead of just "Tripping because they affect the seritonin receptors". The method of action of tryptamines and phenethylamines is still a bit of a mystery, but even though they all effect certain receptors, they all produce subtly, if not completely, different experiences.

I haven't said you shouldn't respect psychedelic substances. I've also not said anything about all psychedelics being completely the same. However, it shouldn't make a difference whether the compound is ingested in a purified form or is present in a natural plant. The chemical action is still the same (save for some digestion issues).

szuko000: thanks for putting it in a more friendly way :D I might benefit from a less aggressive argument tone...

 

[Mjäll]

Judging by that quote, "Your people" will never truly understand mushrooms no matter how many grams you take or how dead your ego gets

There's nothing to "understand". Psychedelics are just keys to our own minds.

 

[dread]

There's nothing to "understand". Psychedelics are just keys to our own minds.

Psychedelics are not "just" anything.

 

[Mjäll]

Psychedelics are not "just" anything.

You know, you could try understanding my posts instead of making pointless semantic remarks. Okay, they're not "just" anything, fine. Nothing is "just" anything, everything is special and has spirits and whatever.

 

[dread]

Don't get your panties in a twist man. You get what you put in.

 

[Bardeaux]

You cant argue against someone else's subjective interpretation of a given experience. Especialy if you yourself have never encountered said experience to begin with.

Back on topic, I would save the oxycodone for after the trip. Take the ride first before you get off

 

[Mjäll]

You cant argue against someone else's subjective interpretation of a given experience. Especialy if you yourself have never encountered said experience to begin with.

They're not presenting their experience as subjective.

Also, no one can POSSIBLY, EVER have the same experience as someone else. The mushrooms themselves are quite insignificant in this regard.

 

[kandytime]

just for future reference, shrooms are fucking drugs, not sacred teachers.

 

[Bardeaux]

How is an experience not subjective? Like you said, no two experiences are exactly alike.

You can read all you want to about a substance, but until you try it for yourself you're missing the most important aspect.

just for future reference, shrooms are fucking drugs, not sacred teachers.

They are what you make of them

 

[Mjäll]

How is an experience not subjective? Like you said, no two experiences are exactly alike.

You can read all you want to about a substance, but until you try it for yourself you're missing the most important aspect.

I'm perfectly fine with people saying they had an experience of plant spirits or whatever. To try and rationalize that experience and apply it as "real world knowledge" is a whole different thing, and what these guys have been doing in this thread.

 

[dread]

just for future reference, shrooms are fucking drugs, not sacred teachers.

And how many times have you tried mushrooms, eh...

 

[dread]

"real world knowledge"

Define real world

Define knowdledge

 

[kandytime]

9 times thus far... and i can't say they are sacred at all. just another drug on the list that i choose to take

 

[Mjäll]

Define real world

Define knowdledge

Real world = sober physical, the one which science aims to predict. I put quotation marks because real world is not set in stone since everything is relative and whatnot. Psychedelics manifest your fantasy as sensory experience, which can lead to delusions such as the one you are suffering from.

Knowledge - ability to predict future events, I would say. A model that allows generalisation which can be applied to unknown occurences so as to understand them without empirical data.

 

[kandytime]

Define real world

Define knowdledge

he means that a shroom trip does not aid in bringing a further understanding to the world for anyone other than yourself; which may not even happen then. coming out of a trip and trying to apply what you learned in to a sober and real-world setting will not help you excel in anything other than possibly philosophy.

 

[Bardeaux]

Real world = sober physical, the one which science aims to predict. I put quotation marks because real world is not set in stone since everything is relative and whatnot. Psychedelics manifest your fantasy as sensory experience, which can lead to delusions such as the one you are suffering from.

Knowledge - ability to predict future events, I would say. A model that allows generalisation which can be applied to unknown occurences so as to understand them without empirical data.

sounds like you need to eat some mushrooms man