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Mixing dissociatives with Psyches

delsymfan

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I have often wanted to try some dissociatives with some psychs. Unfortunately my DXM tolerance went way up before I bought my 2C-E. So I unfortunately could never pull off an experience.

However, I now am at a bit of a crossroads. I happen to have a gram of 4-meo-pcp, as well as 250mg of AMT. And in addition, San Pedro cacti growing in the street that I can hack up for some mescaline.

I'm curious to hear some experiences of mixing dissociatives with the psych's, as I think this has potential to be an interesting combo.

Plus I can probably guarantee you'll never hear of anyone ever doing 4-meo-pcp and AMT.

Also, for the record. I have yet to sample either of these items. I plan on doing 2-4 trips each separately, to feel them out, and save some of what I have left for a mix.
 
DXM and 2c-e mixes well together. Atleast I think it does. Just be forwarned, it is not for the faint of heart. I have done 300-600mg of DXM mixed with 10-20 mg of 2c-e. Also mixed DXM with 2c-i and 2ct2. But my favorite so far has been with 2c-e

I would not consider this a "party" mix as simple things like walking and talking can become issues... lol
 
^How can an intense tripIV ket on MUSHROOMS be not expected?? 8o

Ketamine and most psychedelics is good. I rather go a for a lower then K hole dose, but it stills radically alters the effect of the psychedelic, making it infinitely more tripsome. Ketamine and DMT or ketamine and DPT are both divinve combinations...:)
 
Mushrooms and insufflated ketamine also was much too rough and warped for comfort honestly...
LSD and ketamine has given me a feeling of divine glory but on other occasions i.e. with a higher dose of ketamine it has become obvious how insane it can get.
Nitrous is also a dissociative of course and I've mixed it with plenty of psychedelics. The most derealized twisted side-track of the mind trips have happened on it but I also believe there is significant danger associated with the combo in general.
Psychedelics are a sort of catalyst, but dissociatives are also catalytic but slightly different. This is reason for the heavy synergy but it can also push some effects over the edge. Brainfries are not a myth in my experience and when me or other people had them psychedelic & dissociative combo's were always the culprit.
The pro is that unreal experiences can be extremely interesting and also beautiful (sometimes scary), the con is that there is a slight possibility that you damage yourself - with mushrooms or LSD alone some people have had seizures although I think everybody recovers, dissociatives like I said can just make you cross the limit.
 
Ketamine and nitrous have palled up nicely with every psyche I've introduced them too - MDMA (if you count that,) LSD, 2C-B, 2C-C and probably some others I can't remember right now. Things cajn certainly get very twisted indeed - can get utterly lost in other worlds - but I find that ket in particular usually kills any anxiety :)

Never yet used DXM or any form of PCP either alone or in combo so couldn't really comment on those. AMT + 4-MeO-PCP sounds like it could be an interesting (read: very odd indeed :D) combo. Would be interested to hear about that should you do it.

PS: Would there be any health concerns combining DXM with psyches - a la Serotonin Syndrome? Not sure if PCP and it's siblings have the same combo concerns either. I know AMT has a weak MOAI action but have combined it with MDMA and LSD with no problems.
 
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I've mixed Ketamine with 2C-C and as Shambles noted it killed pretty much all anxiety or feelings like the trip could go anywhere bad really. Was happy to just observe rather than analyse.
 
Yeah sounds like those 2c's work pretty nicely. Shame I dont have any right now... curse my greed.

And I thought about the MAOI action of the AMT and honestly its quite negligible. I will probably go with low-medium dosing of both chems anyway should I pursue it. And to shambles, DXM seems pretty benign, it to me doesnt seem to have too many shitty reactions with much of anything, save for coricidin. I mean I dont think Id pop a prescription MAOI on it, but other than those I think you are ok.

Yeah I kinda like what I am hearing. New question

When combined, which feels like it is in charge? The psych or the dissociative. Ive read some reports and a lot feel like the dissociative overpowers the other somewhat. But I dont know.

And yeah I have to say the 4-meo-pcp and AMT combo should prove interesting, and long as hell.
 
I think if DXM is not to be combined with MDMA, then you should also not combine it with AMT for the risk of serotonin syndrome.
Not that 4-MeO-PCP has anything to do with that but I'm just saying - since we're talking broader..
 
I've yet to try a dissociative, but to me the headspace of p. harmala seeds was pretty much what I'd describe as a dissociative trip - the world became progressively more unreal and the insides of my brain became simultaneously more unclear and infinitely more important and present.

The pharmacology behind this seems muddy though. If harmala alkaloids can be considered dissociatives (atleast in a subjective sense) then Ayahuasca may be thought of as a dissociative+psychedelic combo.
 
I've used dissociatives(be it ketamine or nitrous) in combination with almost every psychedelic I have tried and have yet to find a truly bad combo.
I'm looking forward to my first pcp experience, but I doubt I will be using it in faction with other drugs.
One of the big ones on my list atm is DPT/Ketamine =D
 
Mjäll said:
I've yet to try a dissociative, but to me the headspace of p. harmala seeds was pretty much what I'd describe as a dissociative trip - the world became progressively more unreal and the insides of my brain became simultaneously more unclear and infinitely more important and present.

The pharmacology behind this seems muddy though. If harmala alkaloids can be considered dissociatives (atleast in a subjective sense) then Ayahuasca may be thought of as a dissociative+psychedelic combo.
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Nah, I think harmala alks are more psychedelic, with a touchy of cannabis like derealisation thrown in.

A real dissociative is un-mistakeable. If you take one of them and can still SEE- its not a dissociative (word play fuck up there....:D)
 
I've had a few good experiences with 2C-B and Ketamine but other then that i've tried the combinations of DXM, Ketamine and Nitrous with Psychedelics with mostly overwhelming experiences not wished to be repeated.

When I take a Nitrous hit while on Psychedelics its like instant DMT world of a not so pleasant nature which leaves me kissing the ground with tears of joy being returned to just tripping which makes the rest of the trip uneventful!!!
 
swilow said:
Nah, I think harmala alks are more psychedelic, with a touchy of cannabis like derealisation thrown in.

A real dissociative is un-mistakeable. If you take one of them and can still SEE- its not a dissociative (word play fuck up there....:D)
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I know it's not really a dissociative by any shot - but the effects were characteristically so. I couldn't see the real world save for in fractions of seconds and was totally lost in my own imagination, where time loops re-arranged fractal concepts of philosophy and science.

I'll be tack to this topic when I've tried K or DXM or something.
 
Ketamine on LSD generates an awe-inspiring out of body experience.

4-MeO-PCP on DOI seems to dull/mute the psychedelic and dissociative effects of each.
 
ive tried insufflated k while near the end of a shroom trip once......dont know if i liked it or not!!??:\ it was very intence and unexpected as i thought i was nearly down off the shrooms. id like to try the two together again some time, coz the experience was quite unique......definately not for the faint hearted, but the dissociative effect of the ket seemed to dull any sence of anxiety or fear the trip would turn on me, even though it was so intence! thats wat i love about ket, no matter how holed in u get, ur just happy to tag along for the ride. i usually have some vals on hand to take the edge off when im on phycs, coz i am prone to stumbling(tripping if u will) into 'the dark side' but this combo seemed to have no sign of it. i would say the dissociative effects slightly over powered the phyc, but as i said i was near the end of the trip?
i would be interested to hear any reports of pcp/lsd combo?? peace..<3
 
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