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Ooooooookay... I have managed to get hold of larger amounts of different kinds of benzos; alprozalam, clonazepam and lorazepam, all at 2mg a piece. My question is this, if I become tolerant to one type of benzo (alprozalam being the worst) does that mean I'll have a higher tolerence to all other types of benzos as well.
Guys, last night I took around 20 x clonnies, and 10 zannies, and I didn't feel a thing. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't do pot and I have NEVER injected. I do, however, imbibe in 100mg of codeine every day (I know that's not much comparitively, but I cut my dose in half CT just a week ago, no real problems. Phsychological???), and am in the process of a taper program. With all the freaking benzos I'm taking I'm not experiencing any withdrawls.I find I have always had a higher tolerance even before I strated this despicable habit (I've since had myself blacklisted from the website I was getting them from in an effort to get clean).

Dunno if it's pertenant, but I've had two tonic clonic seizures (first ever) in the past year. EEG and MRI showed no abnormal brain activity, so it's been put down to co-pharmacology.

So I'm currently on
a.m.
Seroquel 25mg
Codeine 20mg
Somac 40mg
Sertraline (Zoloft) 150mg

Midday
Codeine 20mg

p.m.
Seroquel 50mg
codeine 20mg
Sodium Valproate (anti-seizure) 400mg (to be increased to 400mg twice a day in a few days. Eeep!
 
I find it VERY difficult to believe you felt nothing from such high doses of benzos. None of the other meds you listed should cause a tolerance to benzos. Something isnt adding up with what you are stating.
(I do admit i am not familiar with Sodium Valproate)
Also, i dont know wtf you mean by"tonic clonic seizures" . .
 
nsauce said:
I find it VERY difficult to believe you felt nothing from such high doses of benzos. None of the other meds you listed should cause a tolerance to benzos. Something isnt adding up with what you are stating.
(I do admit i am not familiar with Sodium Valproate)
Also, i dont know wtf you mean by"tonic clonic seizures" . .
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From Wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonic–clonic_seizure
Tonic phase
The person will quickly lose consciousness, and the skeletal muscles will suddenly tense, often causing the extremities to be pulled towards the body or rigidly pushed away from it, which will cause the person to fall if standing or sitting. The tonic phase is usually the shortest part of the seizure, usually lasting only a few seconds. The person may also express brief vocalizations like a loud moan or scream during the tonic stage, due to air forcefully expelled from the lungs.
Clonic phase
The person's muscles will start to contract and relax rapidly, causing convulsions. These may range from exaggerated twitches of the limbs to violent shaking or vibrating of the stiffened extremities. The person may roll and stretch as the seizure spreads. The eyes typically roll back or close and the tongue often suffers bruising or lacerations sustained by strong jaw contractions. The lips or extremities may turn slightly bluish (cyanosis) and incontinence is seen in some cases.
Due to physical and nervous exhaustion, postictal sleep with stertorous breathing invariably follows a tonic–clonic seizure. Confusion and complete amnesia upon regaining consciousness is usually experienced and slowly wears off as the person becomes gradually aware that a seizure occurred.


Sodium Valporate is used as an anti-epileptic medication (although in my case epilepsy has been ruled out - it's a possible manic disorder that has developed due to MASSIVE amounts of stress. SV can also be used off label as a mood stabiliser)

So it's not pretty. And when I say I'm taking such large doses of benzos I must stress I AM NOT LYING OR EXAGGERATING. i am female, so it has nothing to do with a 'my dick is bigger than yours' complex. I just want help. I've told my doctor/neurologist/psychologist about what is going on, being completely honest.

All I want to know is if I have a very high tolerence to one benzo, does that mean I will have a high tolerence to other benzos as well?
 
nsauce said:
I find it VERY difficult to believe you felt nothing from such high doses of benzos.
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Tolerance is a very strange thing with Benzos IME. I find it extremely believable that she took such doses and felt nothing.
 
nsauce said:
Yes there is indeed cross tolerance with benzos.
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Yup. However there isn't between benzos and opiates, so taking 100mg of codeine a day (especially since that's quite a small dose) shouldn't affect the benzos' effects on you.
How many mgs would you usually have to take to feel something?
Honestly the only thing to do in these kinds of situations is to take a long break from the benzos and wait for your tolerance to drop down...you don't want to have to start exponentially increasing your doses until you reach something absolutely ridiculous and that'll be hell to come off of.
 
are you dependent on benzos or something? or was this a first time thing? how long have you used benzos? have you been benzo dependent in the past? what doses?

most first time users don't realize that benzos provide 0 euphoria unless you have terrible anxiety. At best you get discoordinated and slur your words. If your tolerance is that huge then you must have been taking benzos for quite a while, which may explain your seizures.

none of this adds up really but maybe with some more information this will make sense.

yes benzos are cross tolerant with eachother but you can't subsitute 10mg clonazepam with 20mg of xanax and get the same effects, they act slightly differently at the gaba-a receptor, not to mention the half life and such as well.

and yeah pills could have been bunk as well, who knows.
 
RobotRipping said:
are you dependent on benzos or something? or was this a first time thing? how long have you used benzos? have you been benzo dependent in the past? what doses?

most first time users don't realize that benzos provide 0 euphoria unless you have terrible anxiety. At best you get discoordinated and slur your words. If your tolerance is that huge then you must have been taking benzos for quite a while, which may explain your seizures.

none of this adds up really but maybe with some more information this will make sense.

yes benzos are cross tolerant with eachother but you can't subsitute 10mg clonazepam with 20mg of xanax and get the same effects, they act slightly differently at the gaba-a receptor, not to mention the half life and such as well.

and yeah pills could have been bunk as well, who knows.
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The benzo problem started about a year ago, and has become increasingly worse since then. I was under more stress than I thought a person qould handle and on more than one occassion decided to sudicide just to end the emotional pain. Thankfully, I'm in a better place now, I've found a neurologist/GP/psychologist who are all working in conjunction with each other. I also have regular appointmentw with a drug and alcohol clinic (I don't drink) and they have loaded me up with tons of reading material. Knowledege is power, right?

Look, seiously, I'm not dicking you guys areound. Last night I ended up taking a GRAM of various benzos, plus 100mg seroquel. MY psychologist and GP are toying with the idea of bipoloar 1; on the two occassions I have had seizures I had not slept for 3 days straight. Not that I didn't have access to pills, they just didn't do a single thing. My body wa exhausted but my brain would NOT SHUT UP and once again I considered walking in front of a bus just for some piece and quiet.

Ahyhoo, I'll be gettin anotrher MRI shortly. Like the previous one, and the two EEGs, I suspect they will show nothing. It's stress, and that manifests as sleep deprivations, which in turn results in fantastic seizures. Good news though, at least I don't piss myself during these episodes...

Tips on benzo tapern plans? I freely admit I am an abuser of drugs. Sucks. Why can't I be normal.
 
Judging by the way you are spelling and such , you are one of those people who think they aren't feeling anything but definitely are.
There is NO WAY in hell you take that much klonopin and xanax and not feel anything unless they are fake pills.
 
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F1n1shed said:
Judging by the way you are spelling and ushc , you are one of those people who think they aren't feeling anything but definitely are.
There is NO WAY in hell you take that much klonopin and xanax and not feel anything unless they are fake pills.
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I have considered that they are in fact, fake. With regards to my spellinfg, I do all this on my iphone which is unforgiving when it comes to autocowrecks and it's just too hard to go back and fix it all.

Why should I not be about to take that many benzos? From what I've heard you can't relly kill yourself on them alone, just knock yourself out for a day or two.

Please, anyone, direct me to a taper link. This has to stop.
 
^ This should have the information you desire on the safest and most effective means to taper. The best of luck to you.
 
www.benzo.org.uk/profash.htm i see it's already been posted but yes, this is the gold standard of benzo tapers, tho she may be wrong about some things and some of the shit you read may scare you, she's for the most part on the right page in terms of treating benzo addiction/dependence.

i know you're not dicksizing, i've done similar stupid things, magically made about 3g of phenazepam disappear and blacked out for a couple of weeks. Wasn't even my first time doing something that dumb. Also done plenty of 50-100mg etizolam doses. I wouldn't even black out from 20mg of clonazepam with no tolerance, i don't know why but i just wouldn't. Benzos have subtle effects, the higher doses aren't really any different from say 10mg of clonazepam/lorazepam or alprazolam.

You can definitely knock yourself out for a lot longer than a day or two, or at least be blacked out. There are months that i don't remember much from. I just hope those seizures weren't caused by not having a steady level of benzos in your system, especially if you are jacking your tolerance so bad. Hopefully, they don't find anything wrong with you in the tests and you can move on with your life. I was in the same spot 2 years ago, life went to shit, almost drove off the road quite a few times on purpose and was reckless as can be. I lost everything. I'm still working to get back the shit i lost.

it's tough to kill yourself on benzos (well indirectly it's pretty easy actually) but it can be done so try not to take a gram of whatever benzos you have, it's a waste at best. I am also one of those people who think they aren't feeling shit yet are extremely intoxicated. Of course there's no dose of a benzo that can do that to me now (i've tried) so it's no longer an issue but take care of yourself, i could go on forever talking about how this kind of behavior really fucked up my life.

just one question; how do you stay up for 3 days straight? are you not taking benzos during those 3 days? I've stayed up for a week straight on stim binges and never even came close to having a seizure but was definitely on the edge of seizure during benzo withdrawals after massive binges. Unless you have the most insane insomnia i've ever heard of, i don't understand. I have terrible insomnia but a gram of diazepam and 100mg of seroquel would put me out for at least a day.
 
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nsauce said:
Yes there is indeed cross tolerance with benzos.
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F1n1shed said:
Judging by the way you are spelling and such , you are one of those people who think they aren't feeling anything but definitely are.
There is NO WAY in hell you take that much klonopin and xanax and not feel anything unless they are fake pills.
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^This.

They are all cross-tolerant. Benzodiazepine black-outs can be likened to sleep walking.

Also, at times users fail to comprehend that they're under the influence as a result of extremely high dosing. It's an odd one, but I've encountered many that take huge benzodiazepine dosages, go on extremely bizarre adventures, refuse to admit that they're acting differently or affected at all, when in reality, it's clear that their behavior is completely altered, usually to the worst.
 
i believe this guys getting his stuff from some underground online black market on the hidden web, a place where fools go and get ripped off with fake gear.
whatever you do, taking that much benzos could nearly kill a man so i cant imagine anyone developing a tolerance to that without a considerably long benzo addiction
 
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