Mixing a stimulant and a downer - like sneezing and breaking wind at the same time?

[Ismene]

Anyone done much experimenting with mixing stimulants and downers? Any good? What kind of effects did you notice? I'm thinking of trying the old speed/vapourised morphine combo but I've heard tell that your heart doesn't know whether it's coming or going. It's like sneezing and breaking wind at the same time - resulting in you performing a backflip.

 

[Shambles]

I was always a big fan of the snowball (heroin + crack IV'd). MDMA + opies (heroin for personal preference, or to taste) is nice too. Opiates go rather nicely with everything really... they do have a few minor issues of their own, of course...

Have never vaped morphine myself - never had it in a vapable form - but sounds like it should be a decent combo to me. Opies and speed go well together imo.

I think the up/down combo talk is mostly guff tbh. What do you take if you're overstimulated? Benzos. Is what you'd be given in a clinical setting so presumably not such a very terrible idea. The main concern is getting the balance right so you don't just completely counterract the effects of the stim. The idea is generally to use the "downer" (generally an opiate/opioid) to smooth over the rougher edges of the stimulation and provide a more overall physically lushy experience. Morphine is especially noddy (at least I find it is) so wouldn't be my first choice for such combos but I have no idea how it is vaped.

Do take a bit of caution with the dosages though - especially if not especially familar with either drug let alone combos. Should also go without saying that it can become rather moreish so you need to take extra care not to overdo the opies with repeat dosing as the speed can easily mask the effects of opies and make it feel you're much further from the line than you are in reality. This is the real risk of stim/opie combos. It's not heart failure from messing it about with conflicting effects so much as simply ODing on opies cos the stim turns it into a fiending session where common sense goes out the window and people just take far more than they are used to.

Take care, Issy

 

[Sprout]

Seconded on the 'Opiates go nicely with everything'.
Opium + Speed is pretty beautiful, though I find it inevitably ends up very scatty, especially as the Opium wares off noticeably sooner.

Benzo's counteract the stimulant much more effectively than Opies, sledgehammer vs blanket sorta thing.
The issue lies with overdoing the Opioids whilst tweaking and slipping into respiratory arrest via upping the Opioid dose to 'feel' it through the stimulant.

The effect on the cardiac system is less immediate, unless you're talking of Cocaine + Opioids due to the Ca+ channel blockade Cocaine causes.

 

[Treacle]

I don't need to add anything, really, but 'your heart doesn't know what to do' is complete crap, from a scientific point of view. I've done plenty of mixing uppers and downers, and as long as you don't overdose on anything, you'll likely be fine. As has been said, downers can take the edge off large doses of stimulants, and vice-versa. I personally find a few combinations quite enjoyable, like alcohol and speed (I know you're generally unimpressed with speed, but I love it), GHB/GBL and speed (although, G is more stimulating at low doses, and a strong sedative in higher doses), because they were made for each other. Coke and alcohol, obviously, but that's probably due to the formation of cocaethylene, which you'd be silly to turn down. Just use your head and don't always assume that the opposing drug will stop you ending up in a mess. From my experience/knowledge, depressants are the things to watch. Having a heart attack from stimulants, because you've tried to counteract depressants is far less like likely to happen than an OD from downers. I've noticed that you can keep a balance, where large doses of both can be taken, for extended periods, but then I've woken up a few hours later, or been a shaking mess and unable to sleep for days.

Have fun!

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I've been a pretty bad opiate+crack iv user, obviously it's delicious.

 

[Kittycat5]

I think morphine + amphetamine is pretty nice. Morphine gives me this distinct warm and fuzzy feeling I dont really get from other opiates/oids and the amphetamine's mood lift makes this quite a lovely combo. I have only swallow or snorted either and have used both Adderall and Dexedrine for this, not street speed but imagine it is no different. I am now intrigued about smoking morphine. I know it usually is said to be a waste and rather harsh on the lungs, but I would try it once.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

I've been a pretty bad opiate+crack iv user, obviously it's delicious.

...and dangerous I should add.

 

[5StarSquatHotel]

Why not enjoy the upper then user the downer to come down? The only mixers like that worth doing are snowballs, I say 'worth doing' when I mean 'will totally fuck you up in the most divine manner' saying that I would not trust street gear nor stone these days, you got to be looking at 75% cut and you sure as shit wont be filtering much away.

 

[hexagram]

I can't even take stims without at least booze to take the edge off.