Opioids MGM 15 Megathread

[cnnka]

So I can dissolve almost any chemical in PG? 7OH would be interesting , did the joint with the sprinkled 7OH made you high? I used to sprinkle MIT in hash joints and it actually worked some.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

A couple hours ago I burnt a 7-OH infused joint, it was delightful. I'll be making some MGM-15 vape juice too within the next week or so.

I mean, I'm a bad guy to ask about this, I'll sleep through meth and acid and all sorts of shit notorious for interrupting sleep. DOB, 5-MeO-DiPT, NEP, and bupropion can keep me up, but pretty much nothing else for some reason.

How did you infuse? You just threw 7oh powder in the joint or what? I tried running a bit on foil even tho I've never smoked a pill and it just turned black but I could've done something wrong

 

[Esperighanto]

How did you infuse? You just threw 7oh powder in the joint or what?

Earlier I wrote that I wasn't super keen on writing up anything about how to smoke 7-OH, but if it'll keep people from smoking pills I think it may actually be harm reduction.

Smoking pills is super unwise, when I refer to smoking 7-OH I'm referring to an extract that hasn't been cut with jack shit, a lot of "7-OH powders" are cut with malic acid, microcrystalline cellulose, etc., but you need it pure. Other grades of purity should not be vaporized. My first experiments with it involved sandwiching it between layers of flower and testing what it preferred as far as combustion, and it seemed to resemble DMT in that it burns easily and is quite fickle with temperature. A single jet torch very carefully and lightly applied is what worked best there, but then I started dissolving 7-OH into anhydrous ethanol (do not use denatured ethanol for this, do not use vodka, do not use everclear, all are unsuitable) and once the 7-OH is fully dissolved into ethanol which is a pain in the ass to nail but it's not as tricky as benzos, you can lay it onto an even layer of flower.

You could use other smoking material, just make sure it's super evenly ground up. When you lay this, treat it like blotter. By that I mean to pack it as level as possible in a flat dish like you'd use to bake brownies, use an actual level to make sure the dish is not tilted in any one direction (otherwise you'd make hotspots), and make sure to totally dessicate the smoking material once you're done. A dehydrator can help, but a heat gun has a much more delicate touch and leads to a better quality of end product. Once this flower (or other smoking material) is infused, I just roll with it or pack it into blunts. The same way that things like 25E-NBOH, DOB, etc. when applied to blotter are often labeled as such so that they can't be resold as LSD, I would never give out flower that I hadn't somehow indicated as obviously being infused with a potent opioid like this. How is that done safely? I have no fucking clue. I can't figure out a safe way to meaningfully color or demarcate flower in this way, so I dyed the filters of the joints that I rolled with it, the blue tip indicated the presence of 7-OH.

Please avoid smoking things off of foil, holy shit is that reckless to do. That's coming from me too, which is saying something. You absolutely do not want to risk inhaling pyrolysis products from aluminum, you can smoke out of a potato, there's no reason to take a flame to foil.

I tried running a bit on foil even tho I've never smoked a pill and it just turned black but I could've done something wrong

Even worse to inhale would be the pyrolysis products of pill binder, I'm glad this attempt at smoking a pill didn't work for you. As a teenager ~a decade ago I'd occasionally vaporize 8mg Dilaudid shields or 10mg Ambien tablets, but once I wasn't unironically terminally ill I began to give a shit about longevity.

Mitragyna alkaloids are also soluble in the same bases that vape juice are made out of. Is that more harmful or less than smoking off of cannabis, dagga, lotus, etc.? I have no idea. 7-OH takes a little bit to fully come up and it's pretty brief, but when vaporized the timeframe compacts a ton. So many people develop unbelievably savage addictions towards specifically 7-OH, smoking it is profoundly wasteful relative to eating it. If I was trying to match a 30mg dose every 6 hours orally administered, I'd probably need to smoke 15-20mg every 2 hours, so based on this vague assumption I'm guessing that I would need ~3x as much 7-OH to achieve a similar state, all just to likely make it more harmful by smoking it and making the same amount of 7-OH less last time and get less done. It's a fun thing to experiment with, but 7-OH is kind of a fleeting waste already when eaten, smoking it just makes those negatives even worse. I do not intend on smoking any more 7-OH, it's much more useful to just eat Mitragyna alkaloids as far as I can tell.

I've got some crystal MGM-15 on its way right now, and I'm going to see if that one's any more useful when vaporized, but I still suspect that blotter paper will be the most ideal medium for MGM-15.

Edit: Just saw there were other comments to respond to here.

So I can dissolve almost any chemical in PG? 7OH would be interesting , did the joint with the sprinkled 7OH made you high? I used to sprinkle MIT in hash joints and it actually worked some.

What solvents any given molecule is soluble in will vary wildly based on the molecule's structure, Mitragyna alks fit well into PG and can be squeezed into ethanol, but they fucking hate water. It's bothersome to work with, but a heat gun, agitation, extreme patience, and an optimally anhydrous environment allows you to pull this off. I've vaporized some rather pure mitragynine, as well as a low potency 50x kratom extract before and both certainly appear to have effects both subjectively and as far as BP/pulse effects. Pupils pin shut, pain fades away, it reminds me of the normal experience of smoking a mu/delta opioid agonist. I never sprinkled 7-OH in a joint, but I did sandwich it in some bowls and that worked but it will not vaporize properly unless you have that shit absolutely as pure as you can get it. Do not smoke pills. Full spectrum 50x kratom extract also could induce immediate and intense vomiting sometimes, reminiscent to doing way too much oxycodone intranasally with too little tolerance. For some reason, cleaner mitragynine and 7-OH did not act similarly.

Dude like the last 10 times I was coming up on mushrooms I nodded off -- sometimes to wake tripping sometimes to sleep all the way through?

The hell did I do that to myself?? (Rhetorical I spose) and applies SLIGHLTLY to all psychedelics but shrooms I actually seem to nod

Normally I am hard pressed for sleep too

ps.
(Unless you are doing the vape thing I thing alcohol has proven safer for ingestion long term)

This isn't super related to the thread's topic, but I've noticed that the more I use psychedelics, the easier of a time I have sleeping/eating on them and it gets to the point of tripping with the intent of pursuing "ayahuasca dreams", "acid munchies", "mushroom workouts", they become more of an experience enhancer when you learn how to nail the dose just right and acclimate to being in that headspace.

Surrounding which solvents are safest to use in long term consumption, I imagine that ethanol would be fine but ideally evaporating as much of it away would be even better I believe. 7-OH is a little weak to fit onto blotter paper but it could be done, MGM-15 however could easily fit onto paper. I'll be running some experiments with that soon, but given how easily dumbasses turn around and sell 25X-NBXX's or DOX's as LSD, I really think that infusing blotter with any opioid (or any non-LSD substance, frankly) would necessitate also manufacturing the paper it's on to be adequately labeled.

Fair and respect that. I made an order of magnitude error in dosing a stim (no ER obviously alive still but do not recommend) once years ago and for the same reason probably wouldn't provide step tutorials. Can mess about some and worst case is something tastes like drek but the failed juice (zero nic obviously if using a premade flavor) would still work orally.

The failed juice does work orally, but if you ask anybody who's ever used a LOT of benzo solutions in their life, you'll quickly learn about how toxic PG can be orally if a poor quality of solvent is used. Earlier in this post, I mentioned how I pivoted on this stance because I'd rather people know how to make a clean sample of smoking material instead of smoking pills, I guess I overlooked how far people will go to try to get fucked up on mu/delta opioid agonists. It feels strange to have grown up around heroin trafficking and seen how there was still a culture of self-respect and dignity and integrity in it and how it was consumed, treated with a degree of respect surrounding tolerance and safety, and then after the American withdrawal of military force from West Asia where opium poppies are produced, the fentanyl era kicked in and all of a sudden people treat an entire class of drugs like a ticket to a cheap high instead of being the profoundly useful tool that an opioid truly can be.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Earlier I wrote that I wasn't super keen on writing up anything about how to smoke 7-OH, but if it'll keep people from smoking pills I think it may actually be harm reduction.

Smoking pills is super unwise, when I refer to smoking 7-OH I'm referring to an extract that hasn't been cut with jack shit, a lot of "7-OH powders" are cut with malic acid, microcrystalline cellulose, etc., but you need it pure. Other grades of purity should not be vaporized. My first experiments with it involved sandwiching it between layers of flower and testing what it preferred as far as combustion, and it seemed to resemble DMT in that it burns easily and is quite fickle with temperature. A single jet torch very carefully and lightly applied is what worked best there, but then I started dissolving 7-OH into anhydrous ethanol (do not use denatured ethanol for this, do not use vodka, do not use everclear, all are unsuitable) and once the 7-OH is fully dissolved into ethanol which is a pain in the ass to nail but it's not as tricky as benzos, you can lay it onto an even layer of flower.

You could use other smoking material, just make sure it's super evenly ground up. When you lay this, treat it like blotter. By that I mean to pack it as level as possible in a flat dish like you'd use to bake brownies, use an actual level to make sure the dish is not tilted in any one direction (otherwise you'd make hotspots), and make sure to totally dessicate the smoking material once you're done. A dehydrator can help, but a heat gun has a much more delicate touch and leads to a better quality of end product. Once this flower (or other smoking material) is infused, I just roll with it or pack it into blunts. The same way that things like 25E-NBOH, DOB, etc. when applied to blotter are often labeled as such so that they can't be resold as LSD, I would never give out flower that I hadn't somehow indicated as obviously being infused with a potent opioid like this. How is that done safely? I have no fucking clue. I can't figure out a safe way to meaningfully color or demarcate flower in this way, so I dyed the filters of the joints that I rolled with it, the blue tip indicated the presence of 7-OH.

Please avoid smoking things off of foil, holy shit is that reckless to do. That's coming from me too, which is saying something. You absolutely do not want to risk inhaling pyrolysis products from aluminum, you can smoke out of a potato, there's no reason to take a flame to foil.



Even worse to inhale would be the pyrolysis products of pill binder, I'm glad this attempt at smoking a pill didn't work for you. As a teenager ~a decade ago I'd occasionally vaporize 8mg Dilaudid shields or 10mg Ambien tablets, but once I wasn't unironically terminally ill I began to give a shit about longevity.

Mitragyna alkaloids are also soluble in the same bases that vape juice are made out of. Is that more harmful or less than smoking off of cannabis, dagga, lotus, etc.? I have no idea. 7-OH takes a little bit to fully come up and it's pretty brief, but when vaporized the timeframe compacts a ton. So many people develop unbelievably savage addictions towards specifically 7-OH, smoking it is profoundly wasteful relative to eating it. If I was trying to match a 30mg dose every 6 hours orally administered, I'd probably need to smoke 15-20mg every 2 hours, so based on this vague assumption I'm guessing that I would need ~3x as much 7-OH to achieve a similar state, all just to likely make it more harmful by smoking it and making the same amount of 7-OH less last time and get less done. It's a fun thing to experiment with, but 7-OH is kind of a fleeting waste already when eaten, smoking it just makes those negatives even worse. I do not intend on smoking any more 7-OH, it's much more useful to just eat Mitragyna alkaloids as far as I can tell.

I've got some crystal MGM-15 on its way right now, and I'm going to see if that one's any more useful when vaporized, but I still suspect that blotter paper will be the most ideal medium for MGM-15.

Edit: Just saw there were other comments to respond to here.


What solvents any given molecule is soluble in will vary wildly based on the molecule's structure, Mitragyna alks fit well into PG and can be squeezed into ethanol, but they fucking hate water. It's bothersome to work with, but a heat gun, agitation, extreme patience, and an optimally anhydrous environment allows you to pull this off. I've vaporized some rather pure mitragynine, as well as a low potency 50x kratom extract before and both certainly appear to have effects both subjectively and as far as BP/pulse effects. Pupils pin shut, pain fades away, it reminds me of the normal experience of smoking a mu/delta opioid agonist. I never sprinkled 7-OH in a joint, but I did sandwich it in some bowls and that worked but it will not vaporize properly unless you have that shit absolutely as pure as you can get it. Do not smoke pills. Full spectrum 50x kratom extract also could induce immediate and intense vomiting sometimes, reminiscent to doing way too much oxycodone intranasally with too little tolerance. For some reason, cleaner mitragynine and 7-OH did not act similarly.



This isn't super related to the thread's topic, but I've noticed that the more I use psychedelics, the easier of a time I have sleeping/eating on them and it gets to the point of tripping with the intent of pursuing "ayahuasca dreams", "acid munchies", "mushroom workouts", they become more of an experience enhancer when you learn how to nail the dose just right and acclimate to being in that headspace.

Surrounding which solvents are safest to use in long term consumption, I imagine that ethanol would be fine but ideally evaporating as much of it away would be even better I believe. 7-OH is a little weak to fit onto blotter paper but it could be done, MGM-15 however could easily fit onto paper. I'll be running some experiments with that soon, but given how easily dumbasses turn around and sell 25X-NBXX's or DOX's as LSD, I really think that infusing blotter with any opioid (or any non-LSD substance, frankly) would necessitate also manufacturing the paper it's on to be adequately labeled.



The failed juice does work orally, but if you ask anybody who's ever used a LOT of benzo solutions in their life, you'll quickly learn about how toxic PG can be orally if a poor quality of solvent is used. Earlier in this post, I mentioned how I pivoted on this stance because I'd rather people know how to make a clean sample of smoking material instead of smoking pills, I guess I overlooked how far people will go to try to get fucked up on mu/delta opioid agonists. It feels strange to have grown up around heroin trafficking and seen how there was still a culture of self-respect and dignity and integrity in it and how it was consumed, treated with a degree of respect surrounding tolerance and safety, and then after the American withdrawal of military force from West Asia where opium poppies are produced, the fentanyl era kicked in and all of a sudden people treat an entire class of drugs like a ticket to a cheap high instead of being the profoundly useful tool that an opioid truly can be.

I mentioned I wasn't smoking pills, I only use pure 7oh powders and mgm

 

[Esperighanto]

I mentioned I wasn't smoking pills, I only use pure 7oh powders and mgm

Sorry about that, I must have misinterpreted. I also just wanted to stress to any potential forum lurkers years from now to save their lungs, we all only get one pair of those things.

 

[cnnka]

@Esperighanto It would be really interesting if you found a way to administer it nasally, maybe using something like a saline spray. There might not be a huge practical advantage since it already kicks in fairly quickly, but it would still be a cool alternative method.
From my experience, though, if I’ve eaten beforehand, the onset feels noticeably slower and the peak much weaker almost to the point where it doesn’t feel worth it.

 

[Esperighanto]

Update for this thread, I made a tank containing about 6.5mL of 1.1mL/mg of MGM-15. 3-5 Hits induces noticeable relaxation and euphoria, but I'm nervous to push it because I get so nauseous off this shit orally.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Update for this thread, I made a tank containing about 6.5mL of 1.1mL/mg of MGM-15. 3-5 Hits induces noticeable relaxation and euphoria, but I'm nervous to push it because I get so nauseous off this shit orally.

Are you vaping freebase or salt, I assume freebase dissolved in PG??? I wanna try just putting a bit of this base I got On a bowl.


Ya I started noticing the nausea too

 

[Esperighanto]

Are you vaping freebase or salt, I assume freebase dissolved in PG??? I wanna try just putting a bit of this base I got On a bowl.


Ya I started noticing the nausea too

Freebase in PG yes, and you could probably hit it with a torch but I would sandwich it and baby on with a single jet torch, 7-hydroxymitragynine preferred that and given the structural similarities I assume that's at least a similar enough place to start from. I have two cones in front of me infused with 7-OH by yours truly, they're calling to me like the fucking green goblin mask or something, it's truly intense. I am six days post-op, but in all fairness have not needed pain meds since T+3.5 days, I just sort of forgot they existed even though I was eating off a sheet of MGM-15 I laid at 300mcg/tab. The nausea really is a killer though, I've yet to push it far vaporized but I've long wondered if the nausea is just due to oral consumption, as sublingual administration of the tabs followed by spitting them out even in comically large amounts got me high as a fucking UFO but it did not induce any nausea, and it was one of the rare moments in my life I didn't have a single anti-emetic actively flowing through my blood, too.

 

[Syntherize]

Earlier I wrote that I wasn't super keen on writing up anything about how to smoke 7-OH, but if it'll keep people from smoking pills I think it may actually be harm reduction.

Smoking pills is super unwise, when I refer to smoking 7-OH I'm referring to an extract that hasn't been cut with jack shit, a lot of "7-OH powders" are cut with malic acid, microcrystalline cellulose, etc., but you need it pure. Other grades of purity should not be vaporized. My first experiments with it involved sandwiching it between layers of flower and testing what it preferred as far as combustion, and it seemed to resemble DMT in that it burns easily and is quite fickle with temperature. A single jet torch very carefully and lightly applied is what worked best there, but then I started dissolving 7-OH into anhydrous ethanol (do not use denatured ethanol for this, do not use vodka, do not use everclear, all are unsuitable) and once the 7-OH is fully dissolved into ethanol which is a pain in the ass to nail but it's not as tricky as benzos, you can lay it onto an even layer of flower.

You could use other smoking material, just make sure it's super evenly ground up. When you lay this, treat it like blotter. By that I mean to pack it as level as possible in a flat dish like you'd use to bake brownies, use an actual level to make sure the dish is not tilted in any one direction (otherwise you'd make hotspots), and make sure to totally dessicate the smoking material once you're done. A dehydrator can help, but a heat gun has a much more delicate touch and leads to a better quality of end product. Once this flower (or other smoking material) is infused, I just roll with it or pack it into blunts. The same way that things like 25E-NBOH, DOB, etc. when applied to blotter are often labeled as such so that they can't be resold as LSD, I would never give out flower that I hadn't somehow indicated as obviously being infused with a potent opioid like this. How is that done safely? I have no fucking clue. I can't figure out a safe way to meaningfully color or demarcate flower in this way, so I dyed the filters of the joints that I rolled with it, the blue tip indicated the presence of 7-OH.

Please avoid smoking things off of foil, holy shit is that reckless to do. That's coming from me too, which is saying something. You absolutely do not want to risk inhaling pyrolysis products from aluminum, you can smoke out of a potato, there's no reason to take a flame to foil.



Even worse to inhale would be the pyrolysis products of pill binder, I'm glad this attempt at smoking a pill didn't work for you. As a teenager ~a decade ago I'd occasionally vaporize 8mg Dilaudid shields or 10mg Ambien tablets, but once I wasn't unironically terminally ill I began to give a shit about longevity.

Mitragyna alkaloids are also soluble in the same bases that vape juice are made out of. Is that more harmful or less than smoking off of cannabis, dagga, lotus, etc.? I have no idea. 7-OH takes a little bit to fully come up and it's pretty brief, but when vaporized the timeframe compacts a ton. So many people develop unbelievably savage addictions towards specifically 7-OH, smoking it is profoundly wasteful relative to eating it. If I was trying to match a 30mg dose every 6 hours orally administered, I'd probably need to smoke 15-20mg every 2 hours, so based on this vague assumption I'm guessing that I would need ~3x as much 7-OH to achieve a similar state, all just to likely make it more harmful by smoking it and making the same amount of 7-OH less last time and get less done. It's a fun thing to experiment with, but 7-OH is kind of a fleeting waste already when eaten, smoking it just makes those negatives even worse. I do not intend on smoking any more 7-OH, it's much more useful to just eat Mitragyna alkaloids as far as I can tell.

I've got some crystal MGM-15 on its way right now, and I'm going to see if that one's any more useful when vaporized, but I still suspect that blotter paper will be the most ideal medium for MGM-15.

Edit: Just saw there were other comments to respond to here.


What solvents any given molecule is soluble in will vary wildly based on the molecule's structure, Mitragyna alks fit well into PG and can be squeezed into ethanol, but they fucking hate water. It's bothersome to work with, but a heat gun, agitation, extreme patience, and an optimally anhydrous environment allows you to pull this off. I've vaporized some rather pure mitragynine, as well as a low potency 50x kratom extract before and both certainly appear to have effects both subjectively and as far as BP/pulse effects. Pupils pin shut, pain fades away, it reminds me of the normal experience of smoking a mu/delta opioid agonist. I never sprinkled 7-OH in a joint, but I did sandwich it in some bowls and that worked but it will not vaporize properly unless you have that shit absolutely as pure as you can get it. Do not smoke pills. Full spectrum 50x kratom extract also could induce immediate and intense vomiting sometimes, reminiscent to doing way too much oxycodone intranasally with too little tolerance. For some reason, cleaner mitragynine and 7-OH did not act similarly.



This isn't super related to the thread's topic, but I've noticed that the more I use psychedelics, the easier of a time I have sleeping/eating on them and it gets to the point of tripping with the intent of pursuing "ayahuasca dreams", "acid munchies", "mushroom workouts", they become more of an experience enhancer when you learn how to nail the dose just right and acclimate to being in that headspace.

Surrounding which solvents are safest to use in long term consumption, I imagine that ethanol would be fine but ideally evaporating as much of it away would be even better I believe. 7-OH is a little weak to fit onto blotter paper but it could be done, MGM-15 however could easily fit onto paper. I'll be running some experiments with that soon, but given how easily dumbasses turn around and sell 25X-NBXX's or DOX's as LSD, I really think that infusing blotter with any opioid (or any non-LSD substance, frankly) would necessitate also manufacturing the paper it's on to be adequately labeled.



The failed juice does work orally, but if you ask anybody who's ever used a LOT of benzo solutions in their life, you'll quickly learn about how toxic PG can be orally if a poor quality of solvent is used. Earlier in this post, I mentioned how I pivoted on this stance because I'd rather people know how to make a clean sample of smoking material instead of smoking pills, I guess I overlooked how far people will go to try to get fucked up on mu/delta opioid agonists. It feels strange to have grown up around heroin trafficking and seen how there was still a culture of self-respect and dignity and integrity in it and how it was consumed, treated with a degree of respect surrounding tolerance and safety, and then after the American withdrawal of military force from West Asia where opium poppies are produced, the fentanyl era kicked in and all of a sudden people treat an entire class of drugs like a ticket to a cheap high instead of being the profoundly useful tool that an opioid truly can be.

PG turns into many toxic byproducts when burned above average vaping temps, so trying to “smoke” anything that is laid on flower or said material is incredibly foolish and dangerous. Find a more suitable solvent and look at the MSDS on pubchem for all of the solvents qualities before moving forward with such ideas.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

^Suggestions that won't eat your THC?

You raise a good point

 

[Syntherize]

THC is lipid (fat) soluble, so things like PG, VG, etc should work, but NEVER try to vape anything like Vitamin E acetate oil, or any other true fatty acid for that matter , because such things will severely damage your respiratory system entirely.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Grazi -- PG was the thing we were trying to replace, would VG be any less harmful at above vaping (Smoking) temperatures?

My first thought was iso and evaporate but given thc being alcohol soluble-- that sounds like a pretty risky process. (Risky loss of product not blow up lol)

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Freebase in PG yes, and you could probably hit it with a torch but I would sandwich it and baby on with a single jet torch, 7-hydroxymitragynine preferred that and given the structural similarities I assume that's at least a similar enough place to start from. I have two cones in front of me infused with 7-OH by yours truly, they're calling to me like the fucking green goblin mask or something, it's truly intense. I am six days post-op, but in all fairness have not needed pain meds since T+3.5 days, I just sort of forgot they existed even though I was eating off a sheet of MGM-15 I laid at 300mcg/tab. The nausea really is a killer though, I've yet to push it far vaporized but I've long wondered if the nausea is just due to oral consumption, as sublingual administration of the tabs followed by spitting them out even in comically large amounts got me high as a fucking UFO but it did not induce any nausea, and it was one of the rare moments in my life I didn't have a single anti-emetic actively flowing through my blood, too.

I'm pretty positive the nausea is caused by the left over solvents, the highest quality mgm I've found has yet to push 90% highest has been 88.1% but I noticed the one day the lower purity powders give me far more nausea. The neausea it gives feels nothing like classic opioid overdose type nausea it feels more akin to being actually poisoned. With normal opioida if I take a dose too high I'll puke and it'll be gravy after the vomiting fit but with mgm it hits and I'll be good but a couple hours later the nausea starts hitting after

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

I am no expert but that sounds like the kind of thing that could be dangerous at low purity and high dosage.

Speculations on what that impurity may be?

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I am no expert but that sounds like the kind of thing that could be dangerous at low purity and high dosage.

Speculations on what that impurity may be?

Not a fucking clue man, I know the 7 tabs are dirty af and gave me all sorts of wicked side effects and by low purity it's still in the high 70s low 80s never found anything lower than like 77%

 

[Kurt Cobain]

I am no expert but that sounds like the kind of thing that could be dangerous at low purity and high dosage.

Speculations on what that impurity may be?

Not a fucking clue man, I know the 7 tabs are dirty af and gave me all sorts of wicked side effects and by low purity it's still in the high 70s low 80s never found anything lower than like 77%

I am no expert but that sounds like the kind of thing that could be dangerous at low purity and high dosage.

Speculations on what that impurity may be?

It didn't start that way though, it never bothered me until I was on it for a bit but it could also be the lemon juice I'm taking it with I don't water it down or nothing and my stomach ain't what it use to be

 

[chippermonk]

Not a fucking clue man, I know the 7 tabs are dirty af and gave me all sorts of wicked side effects and by low purity it's still in the high 70s low 80s never found anything lower than like 77%

Just curious, how is it that you know these purity percentages? For both 7oh and MGM15?

 

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So just who is performing the QC here? Because even an ELISA test would pop for MGM-15. In fact, it's probably easier to buy mitragynine and hydrate it than to carefully (single electron reduction) oxidize it to 7-OHM.

These people are just banding together to upvote each other.

But Grisham's law will always prevail. If one product is far cheaper than a competing product with similar subjective effects, once one person does it, they ALL have to do it - if only because whoever sells MGM-15 can undercut competitors.

 

[chippermonk]

I'm sure it's the dubious case with manufactured derivatives like MGM15 and 7oh that you can't trust any claims by sellers. But I have been wondering about the kratom powder itself of late. I don't mean whether the tests for salmonella or heavy metals derived from the soil it is grown in are accurate. I'm thinking more in terms of, is it ever spiked with other drug I know there was a past history of people adding tramadol, I believe, but you never hear about that anymore.
I'm just wondering because it would do wonders for a sellers business model just to add little bit of something to give their product a bit of a kick over the competition. Could promote brand loyalty. I'm thinking it being added here in the US by a seller because my understanding that only a few international suppliers supply all these many, many brands with product.
I'm partly wondering because I recently got a batch of kratom that really seemed to have a bigger kick, with a bit different quality to it. But the kratom experience is so variable and subjective that I really have no idea. It IS a plant, so not manufactured to specific standards, so one can expect some natural variation of naturally occurring alkaloids, unlike with a specific legal pharmaceutical. ( black market manufacturing being more dubious)
Anyhow, I would be very interested to know if any cases have come up or studies down. I'm actually considering trying to see if I can find a lab to do testing, for curiosity. But I don't know if there are any who do it for kratom and it's not like I feel like it is some big dose of fentanyl or nitazines or wherever. I was thinking more like they could add a sprinkle of mitragynine or 7oh just to bump it up