Mexico Signals It's Had Enough of America's Stupid War on Drugs

-beatnick said:
I think its clear here: The only real solution is violence. Scare the fucking shit out of the government and make them change their minds.
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Meh.. in this day and age we're more likely to start an online petition instead =D.
 
Producing countries are not in dire straits because of drugs.

Afghanistan, Burma, Colombia, Mexico, etc are all third world countries. Domestic drug consumption is no higher per capita than anywhere else, in most instances it's lower. We in the US consume the vast majority of recreational/addictive drugs.

If anything, our drug legislation has led to at least segments of these third world countries having stability. Take Afghanistan. Most Afghani's don't want anything to do with these extremists (who like to put 'cultural police' on the streets with clubs to beat people for their clothes, speech, etc) or the US and their 'Northern Alliance' (tribal factionalism). But, the poppy farmers of Afghanistan are able to provide a small sense of normalcy for their families. They know how to farm poppy, poppy is worth good money (much more than our 'alternative crops' we try to force them to grow i.e. tomatos, wheat, etc.). When you're people are in poverty, having one or two good meals a day and a roof over your head and a livlihood and trade to pass on to your kids to take over is a hell of a lot compared to a third world country without an abundant natural resource thats worth a lot of money (either oil, natural gas or narcotics).

Legalizing all drugs, including all hard drugs, is the only way to successfully end the drug problem. Harm reduction legislation, Abolishment of the Controlled Substances Act and a constitutional amendment banning all legislation that would outlaw a drug, public treatment clinics and government sponsored health care. Thats how you solve the drug war, thats how you contain the problems of addiction and overdoses. Britain, up until 1960, had almost a non-existant illicit Heroin addict population because they ran a legal public-funded Heroin prescription program for all addicts- in 1960 the US pressured them to stop using it, and they almost abolished it; by the end oft he decade there were over 300,000 known illicit Heroin addicts, and with them the problems of crime, disease, poverty, etc.
 
Let's Not Shit Ourselves (To Love and To Be Loved) by Bright Eyes said:
Honesty, accuracy
It's just popular opinion.
And the approval rating's high.
So someone's gonna die
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Mexicans are going to die. Is Obama going to do anything about it?
 
therapture said:
The USA's "war on drugs" has done nothing but increase the power and influence of criminal elements that are finding HUGE profits because as long as there is demand, they WILL find a way to supply it. Not only that, but getting ripped off with inferior product, or product that contains cheaper, more dangerous fillers, does more harm than if the people were getting the real product. Things like X getting cut with things such as PMA, or worse, lsd being replaced with crappy DOC or even worse harmful chemicals, etc., are literally KILLING people.

The lack of education about the REAL facts about drugs such as lsd, mushrooms, pot, and ecstasy, have done far MORE harm to America than any perceived gains from this "war". The losers here are the common people. Someone gets into a car crash and kills themselves and/or another person(s) after the offender drank a 12 pack of beer and got behind the wheel, get blamed on things such as pot or x, when they find even traces of those sch.1 substances in the blood, makes the drug look bad, when in reality, that drug had NOTHING to do with the crash.

It's getting better, since they govt. can't blatantly lie as easily, with the average person becoming more aware of the reality behind the aforementioned drugs due to better science, and the internet helping people communicate better.

While the REALLY dangerous drugs such as alcohol, tobacco, and pharms are running rampant....

Yes, the "war on drugs" is counterproductive, and a blatant LIE, it's designed to do one thing mostly, to keep our prison systems filled with another meal ticket for someone, while honest, non-violent, hard working, tax paying, family type people are getting put behind bars because they wanted to enjoy a joint or a hit of x in the privacy of their own homes....
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Wow, you get the "No shit" award of the day from me! Even though I don't think that was posted today. I just wish a big politician would take office as president and decriminalize some of this shit in the USA. I'm not saying decriminlize everything....but if it grows in the ground, I don't care what it is, decriminalize that shit and do it now!
 
update: yesterday the airplane on which the secretary of state, Juan Camilo mouriño, was flying crashed in middle of mexico city.

The rumuors say the drug lords are behind this. Witnesses report that the plane was already in fire before crashing. If this is true its a direct attack on Calderon, since juan camilo Mouriño was his right hand.
 
Phillypod said:
Wow, you get the "No shit" award of the day from me! Even though I don't think that was posted today. I just wish a big politician would take office as president and decriminalize some of this shit in the USA. I'm not saying decriminlize everything....but if it grows in the ground, I don't care what it is, decriminalize that shit and do it now!
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I'm not disagreeing with decriminalising marijuana, but why does whether it grows in the ground or not have any impact on it?

Opium and cocaine grow in the ground yet they both can totally ruin peoples lives, unlike marijuana which is relatively harmless in comparison, so yeah I don't see what being 'natural' has to do with it.
 
i think the best way to go about legalization is to start on a small time level. you say drugs and one person thinks about weed and another thinks heroine and theres so much grey area in between that people that are pro legal and those against dont even think about the same things half the time.

massachusettes just decriminalized any weight 1 ounce of weed or less. now if your caught with that its a $100 ticket instead of your life being totally screwed up for a long time. maybe if people can start to systematically tweak and lessen the penalties enough, one drug at a time, then those who are so completely opposed will also loosen the hell up and do some research more thoroughly.

besides that the people that are totally closeminded and against drugs are at this point the oldest people of america. in about 20 years the climate for this will probably be totally different since the last of the pre internet folks will be too old to care or go out and vote :)
 
holding out the U.S. as a model. Looking to the U.S. as a role model for drug control is like looking to apartheid South Africa for how to deal with race
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very very true, what a good article. Personal use is definitely not criminal and I think we can all understand by now that the war on drugs creates more problems than it solves. Our tax money funds the war and deaths of innocent people every day and all I can think is... what a shame.
 
I hope they strike the USA

i hope those cartels attack the USA. imagine if it was not the middle east terrorist who attacked on 9/11 towers. Imagine if it was because of the drug war.. i mean all those deaths people be like: man fuck the drug laws and war. let the junkies die and the save the rest of us. the drug war just makes drugs more dangerous, more criminals, more trouble, people are dieing, let the drug users use and drugs be cheaper without this war on drugs. Imagine less health problems and deaths from impurities cause dealers don't need to cut because they getting cheaper more purer product.

mexicans take it to the US imagine if this was happening on there streets it would have to result in drug legaliztion. The US to finally give up this nixon war of lies and put up the white flag on this drug war.

At what cost you nixon loving yank government: you will fall like rome.
WE should be free to explore our minds and put what we want into our body if it harms no one else. I mean the government could sell the drugs be richer! control them more; get rid of organised crime, well they do sell and move drugs anyway...ramble going on to long drugs kicking in.

I agree some control needs to out there on drugs but legalization means: cheaper more pure drugs and that saves most drug related problems right there.

I hope lives are saved and the war ends. Is this drug war really saving lives?
 
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tadfish said:
i hope those cartels attack the USA. imagine if it was not the middle east terrorist who attacked on 9/11 towers. Imagine if it was because of the drug war.. i mean all those deaths people be like: man fuck the drug laws and war. let the junkies die and the save the rest of us. the drug war just makes drugs more dangerous, more criminals, more trouble, people are dieing, let the drug users use and drugs be cheaper without this war on drugs. Imagine less health problems and deaths from impurities cause dealers don't need to cut because they getting cheaper more purer product.

mexicans take it to the US imagine if this was happening on there streets it would have to result in drug legaliztion. The US to finally give up this nixon war of lies and put up the white flag on this drug war.

At what cost you nixon loving yank government: you will fall like rome.
WE should be free to explore our minds and put what we want into our body if it harms no one else. I mean the government could sell the drugs be richer! control them more; get rid of organised crime, well they do sell and move drugs anyway...ramble going on to long drugs kicking in.

I agree some control needs to out there on drugs but legalization means: cheaper more pure drugs and that saves most drug related problems right there.

I hope lives are saved and the war ends. Is this drug war really saving lives?
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Now there's some wishful thinking. This is how things work in U.S.: "if what you're doing doesn't work, you must put more money and power into it". So if we're 'losing against the evil drug lords and every day Joe keeps lighting one up', then we need to fight them harder. Also, how does U.S. traditionally deal with violence? With more violence.

There's way too many people living off the war on drugs for it to end so easily.
 
therapture said:
The USA's "war on drugs" has done nothing but increase the power and influence of criminal elements that are finding HUGE profits because as long as there is demand, they WILL find a way to supply it.

While the REALLY dangerous drugs such as alcohol, tobacco, and pharms are running rampant....

Yes, the "war on drugs" is counterproductive, and a blatant LIE, it's designed to do one thing mostly, to keep our prison systems filled with another meal ticket for someone, while honest, non-violent, hard working, tax paying, family type people are getting put behind bars because they wanted to enjoy a joint or a hit of x in the privacy of their own homes....
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im sorry but i cant help but disagree with these statements. USA's war on drugs is to save people from drugs, as you say many of them are cut with more dangerous drugs. but, if we had " no war on drugs" what makes you think this would be less of a problem? there will still be shady people cutting drugs with shitty chemicals and in my belief would make it even more so of a bigger drug problem than it is.


YES alcohol, tobacco, and pharms are killing people. but when you have millions, even billions of dollars being taken out of OUR COUNTRY every year at the same time killing our populous is BAD NEWS ANYWAY YOU LOOK AT IT. The government makes money from pharms, tobacco, alcohol. in fact the pharms are one of the most profitable markets in the USA, a problem with alcohol? remember prohibition? yea that worked out real well. Tobacco? just like weed, people are going to smoke it if they want to, and if the government is making money off of it why should they care to outlaw it?

It also sounds to me like mexico is doing something shady to. the mexican government telling us to lay off their cartels? wtf? what is the goverment making money off drug deals in america aswell? yea they want us to stop to save the poeple in mexicos street, but that isnt americas problem, thats theirs and if the drug cartel has that much more power over the goverment to the point were they cant stop killing over huge drug deals in their own streets, then THEY have a problem. not the USA. Sounds to me like the mexican government is a shady bunch of people.
 
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