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methylphenidate extraction.

GentlemanLoser

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Ok, let me run this past you, see if I'm not completely off. I'm not a chemistry wiz by anymeans, so any feedback is appreciated.
Wash methylphenidate powder in acetone? The remaining stuff should be pure methylphenidate, and the filler materials that are used should be in the bowl underneath the filter/screen, correct?
the filler materials are:
Inactive Ingredients: Methylphenidate hydrochloride tablets; lactose, magnesium stearate, microcrystalline cellulose, sodium starch glycolate; 5 mg contains D&C Yellow #10; 10 mg contains FD&C Green #3, and 20 mg contains FD&C Yellow #6. (per rxl,ist)
I'd assume those are all soluable in acetone? If not should I instead try doing the alcohol instead? I'd assume acetone could disolve all of those. But I wanted to be sure.
Thanks in advance.
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Well, lets grab one of our chemistry books and see...
Methylphenidate is soluble in alcohol, ethyl acetate, and ether. It is barely soluble in water or petroleum ether.
Methylphenidate hydrochloride is soluble in water, alcohol, and methanol. It is semi-soluble in chloroform.
You're assuming it has the same properties of methamphetamine HCl and that could be foolish.. I think I would start with some of the stuff we KNOW it's not really soulable in, see if that eliminates any - I would start with, perhaps, ether - make your own from starting fluid ..
But honestly - why? The pills aare small enough you can snort them as-is.. and if you wanna bang, well, dont!
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
1) Dissolve everything in isopropyl alcohol. Filter. Evap alcohol.
2) Dissovle what is left in acetone. Filter. Throw out acetone. The residue that didnt go thru the filter is methylphenidate HCl.
 
Hrmm... seems like a fairly sound plan for extraction.. not sure about acetone as it wasnt mentioned in that chapter, and usually under "Solubility" acetone is listed - so I think I would disolve everything in alcohol, then evap the alcohol - see what you have left, because you might be raw enough to work with it (what are you trying to do anyway?)
I am just not sure if acetone will really leave the methyl-p-d alone or if it will chew it right up...
In the name of science I will try this - my ex-gf's dad has a huge bottle of Ritalin and he doesn't want them, so I will give this a go and see what we get!
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
Ok, my reasoning for doing this:
Yes, they are small enough to sniff. But, in a perscription of 90 10mg generics...I get sick of crushing the stupid lil' things up, getting lactose and dye chunks out of your nose in the morning is a pain in the ass. SO! I figure, if this is not to much effort, which it isn't, it could be usefull. I could cap up the methylphenidate for oral usage and taken 150mg's+ is rather entertaining. especially since if I do go to a party of some sort I prefer to do this or straight meth, but meth is not all that available in my locale.
Also, that means only 1800mg's (1.8g's) of methylphenidate exist in an entire bottle I get. This would cut out the annoyance of packing my nostrils with mostly innert material. Unless lactose is part of the buzz, if so I'll go start sniffing my milk.
Finally, smoking it. Smoking ritalin is the second nastiest thing I ever did in highschool. Why we did it? Dunno, it seemed like an ok way to kill a 1/2 hours so fuck it we did it. But that shit burns funny (obviously). I'm curious to see what the effects of methylphenidate are smoked and that isn't possible in normal, pharmacutical form.
Also: I can get a lot more tweaked if I don't spend most of an evening if I just had 1.8g's of raw ritalin. Less time crushing them. Also, I'm bored. I figure this is something to do, that if it works, makes my life more convienent.
If tommorow morning I wake up and finally find a consistent, reliable, within 1/2 hour drive source of *real* methamphetamine, this will be a moot point. But since so far no go so this is what I have to work with more often. This or dexedrine.
 
GentlemanLoser, if u figure this out, I'd be very interested in trying it. I've thought about extracting methylphenidate too..
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"We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-coloured uppers, downers, screamers, laughers ... and also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of Budweiser, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls...Not that we needed all that for the trip, but once you get locked into a serious drug collection, the tendency is to push it as far as you can."
 
It's in the works, I am tryping it up...
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
y0y0y0 dis by Tyrone, da chemistry negro up in the hiz-oussss with da Ritlun 'strashun for all you crackas! It be like I know dat on Martin Kuther King Jr Blvd you can gets the cracks which is very good, but my P-O dun be playin that amd if I smokes the cracks I go back to county fo like a month or so. Anyway my third wife, Shinquanda, well she ain't actually be my wife, but she lives with me so long they say she my common law wife! is all about trying to keep the black man down! See, me and Shinquanda be knocking it one night and the rubber break on us so she gets pregnant and has a baby, we name him Lemonjello because it was the pretiest name on the list of name they done gave us in the room to look at, it had babies names on it and fo some reason it had grits on it too. Who done be stupid and name their baby after grits? that just be stupid!
So Lemonjello be born and he done look nothings like me, but the state be trying to keep the black man down and took my blood when I gets sent to prison because I stabbed that aaa-rab in the throat (at the HandyWay but I was framed by the po-lice) .. so I gets out and Lemonjello be 14 years old but he dont be doing good in his schools, which to me doesnt matter because he aint gunna learn nothing anyway so he needs to start getting into the day-labor as young as he can because if he done good cleaning up the foreman put him on and he work so he can get the gubment checks and know the joys of check day twice a month.. if he goes to school and he doesnt work as long he doesnt get the same checks that can buy you a full cookie from my dog Darnell with the flossin grill on Malcom-X Rd.
Anyway likes I be saying, they took my blood and say Lemonjello be my kid and that I gots to pay fo him, so it be like if I gunna give that stank ho Shinquanda any of my monies I gunna get something in return because none of the other 7 womens I sex and get pregnant be bugging me for the monies, they say i is a predator and it be best I just stay away from them. Shinquanda be a stank ho! So since my P-O be like "you pay fo Lemonjello or you go to the county till you pay" .. so I go over to Shinquandas house, I tell you she be a stank ho? Well because Lemonjello be all doing bad in school he get put on some Ridlhun, well, there be this white boy that come drive through the hood looking for heroin, he says just because I dont have the cracks I can takes the Ridulhun and takesit to get high, then I just tell my P-O that I takes Lemonjellos medicine first because it be a whie pharmacist and the white pharmacist be trying to poison Lemonjello.
So I axed the cracka how you do it and he give me this piece of paper:
BEGIN EXTRACTION PROCESS
If at first your chem books dont yeild dick, grab a bigger, heavier book .. sure enough, as I thought, methylphenidate is slightly soluble in acetone .. so I would do something like this - oh yeah, BIG DIFFERENCE between the HCl salt and the freebase form, if you're dealing with Ritalin (or generic form) this is Methylphenidate HCl, and we will procees as that..
1) Crush up your pills or even Concerta (sp?) time-release as fine as you can, it's best to work with a fair amount of these as it's pointless to bother with only a few mg's .. once you have all yer shit crushed put it in a flask, now, abut 30 minutes prior to this you will have put a bottle of AT LEAST 70% isopropyl alcohol (aka "rubbing alcohol" - cost like $.25 for a pint) in the fridge - we want it chilled, not freezing, but well blow room temperature ..
2) Pour your chilled alcohol into the flask and "swirl" it around for a minute or so.. the idea is that the methylphenidate is REALLY soluble in alcohol - while it's not freely soluble in >70% isopropyl alcohol, it's the best solvent for out purpose .. now because the methylphenidate is disolved in the IPA, we will need to setup a filter...
3) Take a glass jar and cover the mouth of it with 3 coffee filters, you can secure them with a rubber-band ... now you will pour the IPA through the filter .. you will have the filters on top with some crap thenyou will have the alcohol in the jar...
4) Pour the IPA into a pyrex dish - it will evaporate rather quickly but if you want you could put it under a heatlamp to speedup the process .. you should have some crystals - this is your methylphenidate along with a few other things.. you can either rail it right now or move on to the next step ..
5) You MIGHT lose some of the methylphenidatem so personally if you're yeilds look alright at the end of #4, I would just rail that and forget this... anyway, for this we are using Methanol for this, and it can be obtained at your local hardware store (read the cans) .. if you can't find it you can buy it with no restrictions .. we are going to basically do the same thing we did with the alcohol but lets drop the temperature a little more this time... so scrape yer crystals into a flask (or Snapple bottle) and add some ice-cold methanol - you can get a little more agressive in your mixing this time ..
Repeat steps #3 and #4 .. you should have a white, crystline substance - this, in theory is Methylphenidate HCl .. a quick practice run gave shitty yeilds (about 60% provided our extract was deviod of anything other then Methylphenidate HCl) ..
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
Heh, didn't expect anyone to actually go ahead and try this. Thanks btw.
Anyway, I'll have given the whole thing a shot after exams as I get another script that I can use more, shall we say, liberally after finals.
When you say "yeilds" of 60%, that means that 60% of what goes in comes out but you lose 40% of total weight/chemical?
 
Theoretical Yield: 1.8 g MPH or exactly (100%) of how much MPH there was to start with (the total amount of Ritalin in all of your pills) is how much you should "theoretically" end up with. But that's not gonna happen so you have an
Actual Yield: Grams of MPH you end up with (/) Theoretical Yield (*) 100. In the case of 60% actual yield, you get about 2/3 of the amount of ritalin that the pills actually contained. So that's about 1.2 g MPH, assuming other chemicals aren't in the final product (they probably are, but hopefully not very much).
Tomorrow's Lesson: What happens when stupid people boil ether on a hot plate at too high of a temperature.
 
Two questions: did the first step of the extraction, though leaving some filler material, devoid it of it's distinguishable medicine taste?
If it did remove the medicine taste, and I'm going to assume the answer to my next question is yes but I'll ask anyways: would the exact same proceedure also work with Adderall? Because if so, I'm telling you, extracted Adderall amps/d-amps are going to be the raver meth of the future strong enough that they won't be able to distinguish the difference from that or meth.
Tomorrow's Lesson: What happens when stupid people boil ether on a hot plate at too high of a temperature.
A long time ago I had a theory: If ether was psychoactive and PCP was often disolved in ether, you could probably just sell cigarettes dipped in nothing but ether.
Well, I had to test this theory, and by God, ether is pretty fucking flammable when you try to light it on a cigarette.
At any rate, my theory was correct. You will get buzzed smoking ether.
But it was too flammable... not that I cared so much about that, but it took a lot of effort to extinguish the flames. What if you inhaled before lighting it to dry it first, like I did with any dippies I ever smoked anyways? That worked. Infact you definantly got a good ether high. It wasn't very flammable. But I believed that if someone tried to do this that some idiot would light it wet anyways or let it dry by shaking it instead of inhaling it, at which point the ether would evaporate anyways and provide no high.
Low budget / high profit low difficulty opportunistic quasi-chemistry rules.
 
Adderall - you're working with 4 differn't amphetamine salts, which means your yeild would probably be kinda shitty, or else it would be a multi-task deal where the waste from one step becomes the juice for the next.. either way, someone else gets to try..
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"I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don't care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is: 'What are they in a position to do about it?'" (William S. Burroughs)
 
Ok, is there any problem with using 91% concentration IPA? I'm a moron at chemistry so I'm just assuming that this will increase my yield?
Also, if I go to the hardware store should i just say "point me to your methanol!" because the people at Sears were fucking clueless. I'll try a normal, more well-staffed local store or what-not.
 
91% is fine, it's simply not what you find at your local drug store for $.40 a bottle.. I don't think your yeilds would improve with a higer purity level though...
You can find methanol at most home-store super centers (like Home Depot) .. in the isle with the other paint thiners, strippers, etc.. some places wont have it though as it's a bit more obscure then some of the other items..
 
i worked through doing this with adderall, and did some small sample things, and phreex is right, due to the 4 different types, it would be too much of a bitch to be worth anything and you will make more money selling a 20mg pill for 2$ than you would for extracting a gram worth and only being able to sell it for 100$. you just go through the effort for nothing and lose a good amount on the extraction(low yeilds). just get orange or blue snot.
 
I thought about trying it but for some reason Adderall turns into this colored gooey shit when it comes in contact with liquids.
 
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