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Methylone Megathread
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HouseFever
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Is there a bk-MDA?
no, synthesis would be prohibitively difficult as ketones and primary amines (both present in bk-mda) easily react with one another so bk-mda would dimerize giving a large completely inactive molecule.
My first encounter with this substance, was I have to say, somewhat memorable and probably somewhat regrettable too. I also have to say that it was probably very similar - if not identical to a number of MDMA type experiences I've had in the past. I didn't, I confess experience the deeply pleasurable body sensations I encountered through my initial exposure to MDMA, when I first tried this substance a few years ago. But then again I wasn't sure if perhaps this was only to be expected, since I haven't really encountered this aspect of MDMA use for a long time either. Still, after an enforced absence of the best part of a year, I wondered if maybe, even for a brief while, the 'magic' might return? Unfortunately it didn't.
It didn't help I guess that my first encounter (with what does seem in many ways like an extremely similar substance with many extremely similar effects), was while on my own. Nor I suppose does it help that in the end I probably took way too much. (500mg, as for some reason I believed that after just 25 minutes, the first 250mg gelcap wasn't going to kick in, and that probably the product was a bit crap).
In any case this second dose (or in retrospect, possibly any dose of any kind of MDMx, or similar substance at all) was a huge mistake. Having not indulged, as I said, for the best part of what was probably the last year, it's my view that the following several hours that passed where nothing less than a very stark, uncontrolled and quite disturbing period of sheer insanity.
Things that in my normal day to day life might have seemed irrational and not entirely desirable, seemed at that point to be among some of the most stunningly good ideas I had ever had. (Like for example, blowing the limit on my one remaining usable credit card to buy in some high class escorts for me and my friends, so that for one night only, I could know what it was like to live out the rock and roll dream, of drugs sex and unrestrained debauchery).
This might seem like not such a bad idea overall. However my more sensible/sober brain would probably never give serious thought to an idea like this, since firstly, I'm not entirely sure how the wife would take it, and also because I doubt my credit card company would be too pleased after the event either, particularly when they realised I was in no position at all to pay them back.
Additionally, although I wouldn't admit this easily, there was also a point after a male friend (more of an associate to be honest) and work colleague stopped by briefly for a chat. To be clear my sober brain and everything about me, is in no way attracted to other men. I know this might be difficult to believe in light of what I'm about to say. However I have thought about it in the past (as most people at some point or other do), and to be honest the thought has always struck me as being fundamentally uninteresting. I am not by any means homophobic (genuinely not so), just wholly indifferent. People should (providing it doesn't hurt anyone else) be able to do whatever they want to do and sleep with whoever they want to sleep with too. But at no point in the past have I ever found anything about the male form, or about guys in general to be remotely physically or emotionally appealing.
In this instance though, I admit there was a point where it seemed to me that this person was really almost overwhelmingly attractive, and that they were becoming increasingly appealing to me as our conversation progressed. Fortunately he left before I made any kind of error that I may have had cause to regret. But just before he did and for some time afterwards, a thought had began to gel in my head that perhaps I should have attempted to proposition him?
To be fair, I don't think it was because he was a guy, more that likely just that he was 'alive' - and it was entirely possible by that stage that I would probably have been prepared to pretty much fuck anything that moved. (So possibly a good job there weren't any animals around at that point either, lol).
All of this might sound a bit terrible - and I wouldn't normally be given over to so openly making confessions of this kind. However the point of it all, is that I do think it might serve as a rather salutatory warning, since looking at it now I can say that probably for the duration of the experience (which was about 7 to 8 hours overall), I was probably insanely and utterly out of control. (Indeed completely 'berserk' would probably be a better way of describing it).
Half of the time I spent writing a massively long and rambling text to a friend detailing the myriad of ways in which they had offended me. (Indeed epically long is probably more accurate). Having sent the text, I am now hugely embarrassed, because I'm sure most of it must have come across as the inane ramblings of a mad person. And worse than this, now that I'm sober, I can't even remember what it was that they were ever supposed to have done to offend me anyway?
I'm not sure why I'm writing this here, other than maybe to remind myself in the future about the limitations of doing anything like this again. However maybe, vaguely there's a chance it might help someone else too.
My one abiding impression (and probably the most disturbing of all), was that while under the influence of this drug, I was literally out of control. Also more worrying is that not only was I out of control, it was in fact the drug that was in complete control of me. (Not that there was all that much control in evidence at all though). Whoever and whatever I was during that time, I was certainly not me. I was something completely different.
Fortunately in the end nothing very bad happened. But I'm pretty sure that given a different situation, and maybe a different setting too, the potential for something highly regrettable to happen was definitely there. What's to say for example that I wouldn't have gotten the idea that somehow hurting someone wouldn't have seemed like a great idea too? How could I have guaranteed I wouldn't? This might seem like a small worry, but to be honest, I was so out of it - and so out of control, that given a slightly different set of circumstances there's no telling what I might do. I literally probably wouldn't have any say in it at all.
I also found myself after the event, remembering some occasions in the past when I had taken MDMA, in what were probably some quite desperate circumstances. Generally the reason for this was that I probably craved the intimacy, closeness and communication that were so lacking in other parts of my life. They were not on the whole, what could be considered 'happy events'. I probably did achieve moments of closeness, communication and intimacy through some of these experiences, but even then I was still often left with the impression that these came at quite a high cost.
MDMA (or MDMx in this case) also often comes with a bit of a revelatory twist in the tail at the end. (Or at least it does for me). This time wasn't all that different. But what it told me this time probably wasn't so great. It told me that first there were probably some things I had done that had caused me to behave in a selfish way and that may even have hurt some of my friends. Secondly it told me that MDMA (or MDMx, or any drugs in general) may well have a deeply detrimental effect, not an effect maybe that's always immediately obvious, but possibly still quite hurtful and damaging nonetheless.
I'm not sure how I'm likely to apply this lesson yet. I hope it leads me to making some better choices about how I treat myself and other people. But it has left me with the impression that overall, indulging in experiences like this hasn't ever done all that much to make me any happier - and that they aren't ever likely to be a substitute for the other things that are missing in my life either.
Lol, having said this if there was ever a drug that had the empathic and open qualities of MDMA etc. and that enabled a good open dialogue, without driving you certifiably insane for the duration of the experience, I would probably be really interested to give it a go.
MDMA is something I've used previously to help overcome certain social phobias, but I can't say I've ever really liked the feeling of being completely off my face - or as out of control as I was on this occasion.
Oh well, lesson learned I guess.
It didn't help I guess that my first encounter (with what does seem in many ways like an extremely similar substance with many extremely similar effects), was while on my own. Nor I suppose does it help that in the end I probably took way too much. (500mg, as for some reason I believed that after just 25 minutes, the first 250mg gelcap wasn't going to kick in, and that probably the product was a bit crap).
In any case this second dose (or in retrospect, possibly any dose of any kind of MDMx, or similar substance at all) was a huge mistake. Having not indulged, as I said, for the best part of what was probably the last year, it's my view that the following several hours that passed where nothing less than a very stark, uncontrolled and quite disturbing period of sheer insanity.
Things that in my normal day to day life might have seemed irrational and not entirely desirable, seemed at that point to be among some of the most stunningly good ideas I had ever had. (Like for example, blowing the limit on my one remaining usable credit card to buy in some high class escorts for me and my friends, so that for one night only, I could know what it was like to live out the rock and roll dream, of drugs sex and unrestrained debauchery).
This might seem like not such a bad idea overall. However my more sensible/sober brain would probably never give serious thought to an idea like this, since firstly, I'm not entirely sure how the wife would take it, and also because I doubt my credit card company would be too pleased after the event either, particularly when they realised I was in no position at all to pay them back.
Additionally, although I wouldn't admit this easily, there was also a point after a male friend (more of an associate to be honest) and work colleague stopped by briefly for a chat. To be clear my sober brain and everything about me, is in no way attracted to other men. I know this might be difficult to believe in light of what I'm about to say. However I have thought about it in the past (as most people at some point or other do), and to be honest the thought has always struck me as being fundamentally uninteresting. I am not by any means homophobic (genuinely not so), just wholly indifferent. People should (providing it doesn't hurt anyone else) be able to do whatever they want to do and sleep with whoever they want to sleep with too. But at no point in the past have I ever found anything about the male form, or about guys in general to be remotely physically or emotionally appealing.
In this instance though, I admit there was a point where it seemed to me that this person was really almost overwhelmingly attractive, and that they were becoming increasingly appealing to me as our conversation progressed. Fortunately he left before I made any kind of error that I may have had cause to regret. But just before he did and for some time afterwards, a thought had began to gel in my head that perhaps I should have attempted to proposition him?
To be fair, I don't think it was because he was a guy, more that likely just that he was 'alive' - and it was entirely possible by that stage that I would probably have been prepared to pretty much fuck anything that moved. (So possibly a good job there weren't any animals around at that point either, lol).
All of this might sound a bit terrible - and I wouldn't normally be given over to so openly making confessions of this kind. However the point of it all, is that I do think it might serve as a rather salutatory warning, since looking at it now I can say that probably for the duration of the experience (which was about 7 to 8 hours overall), I was probably insanely and utterly out of control. (Indeed completely 'berserk' would probably be a better way of describing it).
Half of the time I spent writing a massively long and rambling text to a friend detailing the myriad of ways in which they had offended me. (Indeed epically long is probably more accurate). Having sent the text, I am now hugely embarrassed, because I'm sure most of it must have come across as the inane ramblings of a mad person. And worse than this, now that I'm sober, I can't even remember what it was that they were ever supposed to have done to offend me anyway?
I'm not sure why I'm writing this here, other than maybe to remind myself in the future about the limitations of doing anything like this again. However maybe, vaguely there's a chance it might help someone else too.
My one abiding impression (and probably the most disturbing of all), was that while under the influence of this drug, I was literally out of control. Also more worrying is that not only was I out of control, it was in fact the drug that was in complete control of me. (Not that there was all that much control in evidence at all though). Whoever and whatever I was during that time, I was certainly not me. I was something completely different.
Fortunately in the end nothing very bad happened. But I'm pretty sure that given a different situation, and maybe a different setting too, the potential for something highly regrettable to happen was definitely there. What's to say for example that I wouldn't have gotten the idea that somehow hurting someone wouldn't have seemed like a great idea too? How could I have guaranteed I wouldn't? This might seem like a small worry, but to be honest, I was so out of it - and so out of control, that given a slightly different set of circumstances there's no telling what I might do. I literally probably wouldn't have any say in it at all.
I also found myself after the event, remembering some occasions in the past when I had taken MDMA, in what were probably some quite desperate circumstances. Generally the reason for this was that I probably craved the intimacy, closeness and communication that were so lacking in other parts of my life. They were not on the whole, what could be considered 'happy events'. I probably did achieve moments of closeness, communication and intimacy through some of these experiences, but even then I was still often left with the impression that these came at quite a high cost.
MDMA (or MDMx in this case) also often comes with a bit of a revelatory twist in the tail at the end. (Or at least it does for me). This time wasn't all that different. But what it told me this time probably wasn't so great. It told me that first there were probably some things I had done that had caused me to behave in a selfish way and that may even have hurt some of my friends. Secondly it told me that MDMA (or MDMx, or any drugs in general) may well have a deeply detrimental effect, not an effect maybe that's always immediately obvious, but possibly still quite hurtful and damaging nonetheless.
I'm not sure how I'm likely to apply this lesson yet. I hope it leads me to making some better choices about how I treat myself and other people. But it has left me with the impression that overall, indulging in experiences like this hasn't ever done all that much to make me any happier - and that they aren't ever likely to be a substitute for the other things that are missing in my life either.
Lol, having said this if there was ever a drug that had the empathic and open qualities of MDMA etc. and that enabled a good open dialogue, without driving you certifiably insane for the duration of the experience, I would probably be really interested to give it a go.
MDMA is something I've used previously to help overcome certain social phobias, but I can't say I've ever really liked the feeling of being completely off my face - or as out of control as I was on this occasion.
Oh well, lesson learned I guess.
FlippingTop
Bluelighter
500mg in 25 minutes is an insane dose 
Anyway sounds like an interesting night, could you not check your outbox for details on your text? How long was it?
Anyway sounds like an interesting night, could you not check your outbox for details on your text? How long was it?
Lol, it was 20 full length texts (as in the maximum length possible to send as a single text - which is about 6 messages a piece), written then sent as a batch all to the same person. It was epic - and no I haven't heard from my friend since. (And I'm too embarrassed to speak to them). Not sure how you broach a subject like that anyway? 'Oh BTW I'm not the stark staring (and potentially even dangerous) raving lunatic I almost undoubtedly seemed in my texts. You see I can totally explain, because the nice quiet pleasant clean living guy that you probably think I am most of the time, was in fact totally off their faces on a very new and still highly experimental recreational drug.'
It doesn't help that this person is a work colleague too - and also female. Someone that I had put a fair bit of time and effort into over the last couple of years getting to know.
In any case I wouldn't so much qualify it as 'interesting' as I would as being utterly insane. The closest I can compare it too is a bit like being stuck on a very fast moving and utterly hellish fair ground carousel, that just seemed to keep getting faster and faster - and that I couldn't stop and I couldn't get off. (For 8+ hours no less).
My impression of this substance is that there does appear to be a higher incidence overall of users reporting negative effects, than for a comparable number who have used MDMA. It's just my own casual observation, from reading this thread and from reading around in general. I think if you are looking for a party type drug, with similar effects to MDMA, M1 might or might not deliver this. But this may all heavily depend on the dose, the set and the setting. You are also, by no means guaranteed a 'good time' if you take this drug, as, as perhaps some of my own experiences might show, and those of others too, in this case the phrase 'YMMV' does seem to ring especially true.
It doesn't help that this person is a work colleague too - and also female. Someone that I had put a fair bit of time and effort into over the last couple of years getting to know.
In any case I wouldn't so much qualify it as 'interesting' as I would as being utterly insane. The closest I can compare it too is a bit like being stuck on a very fast moving and utterly hellish fair ground carousel, that just seemed to keep getting faster and faster - and that I couldn't stop and I couldn't get off. (For 8+ hours no less).
My impression of this substance is that there does appear to be a higher incidence overall of users reporting negative effects, than for a comparable number who have used MDMA. It's just my own casual observation, from reading this thread and from reading around in general. I think if you are looking for a party type drug, with similar effects to MDMA, M1 might or might not deliver this. But this may all heavily depend on the dose, the set and the setting. You are also, by no means guaranteed a 'good time' if you take this drug, as, as perhaps some of my own experiences might show, and those of others too, in this case the phrase 'YMMV' does seem to ring especially true.
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FlippingTop
Bluelighter
Ha, that is so true. Sometimes I forget that you can't just drop comments about getting so fucked that you 'forgot how to use a train' or something around 'normal' people.
Can't really think of what you can say to get yourself out of that one actually. You have a friend that gets really fucked on RCs over the weekends and you were looking after him?
Ha, that is so true. Sometimes I forget that you can't just drop comments about getting so fucked that you 'forgot how to use a train' or something around 'normal' people.
Can't really think of what you can say to get yourself out of that one actually. You have a friend that gets really fucked on RCs over the weekends and you were looking after him?
My friend didn't write the texts though - and only I could have known at least some (of those few bits that might have made any sense at all) of the things I said.
I can't really think of any way out of it. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me (and I wouldn't blame her) if she got a restraining order put on me after this too lol. (Which as she is also my senior would make things almost impossible at work). I didn't make threats at her and wasn't lewd or suggestive at all. But I am certain that I must nonetheless still have come across as being stark staring bonkers.
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jbaldwinroberts
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Hello everyone,
I recieved some mdmc from an internet site yesterday.
Its slightly yellow, and does not seem to be very strong compared with white mdmc i have had in the past. Is this yellow due to degradation or is it just shit stuff, it says 99.7% pure on the bag.
Thanks
I recieved some mdmc from an internet site yesterday.
Its slightly yellow, and does not seem to be very strong compared with white mdmc i have had in the past. Is this yellow due to degradation or is it just shit stuff, it says 99.7% pure on the bag.
Thanks
punkguy182
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is it legal in texas?
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Shambles
Bluelight Crew
Probably not cos of the US Analogue Laws. Not positive on that though. Bit of a grey area... possibly.
theotherside
Ex-Bluelighter
I'm from Texas and no it is not legal here. Being that is is an beta ketone analogue of MDMA, trust me the US government can make it illegal. If you order it, they can say that you were going to ingest it, unless you have a lab and permission to experiment. As long as you don't order from outside the US you should be ok as far as not getting your package intercepted.
My girlfriend and I had roughly 360 mg each. spread out over 3 bombs on Saturday night. It was great.
Having not had Mandy since a couple of decent pills at Glade, and before then nothing since April 09, it felt surprisingly like MDMA. Nice warm rushes and tingles on the come-up. Loved up for a good hour and a half, followed by nice happy stimulation for 4ish hours.
Did the second bomb about an hour after the first, and definately got a boost of empathy. The final bomb was hours later, and didn't really touch us, apart from making us a bit more wired.
Was very happy and touchy-feely all night, with bouts of major horn during the peaks. Sleeping was easy, but we only actually tried to sleep at 6am. Also had some valium.
Next day felt much like a mandy comedown. No aches or extreme tiredness like with pips, but rather a general lack of motivation to move, and a fuzzy head. All cured by a bottle of wine.
Note: also had about a teenth of shrooms before doing the methylone. Took the methy once the shrooms had peaked.
Having not had Mandy since a couple of decent pills at Glade, and before then nothing since April 09, it felt surprisingly like MDMA. Nice warm rushes and tingles on the come-up. Loved up for a good hour and a half, followed by nice happy stimulation for 4ish hours.
Did the second bomb about an hour after the first, and definately got a boost of empathy. The final bomb was hours later, and didn't really touch us, apart from making us a bit more wired.
Was very happy and touchy-feely all night, with bouts of major horn during the peaks. Sleeping was easy, but we only actually tried to sleep at 6am. Also had some valium.
Next day felt much like a mandy comedown. No aches or extreme tiredness like with pips, but rather a general lack of motivation to move, and a fuzzy head. All cured by a bottle of wine.
Note: also had about a teenth of shrooms before doing the methylone. Took the methy once the shrooms had peaked.
Tell us more about the escorts
Please do!
Yeah you've gotta tell us about the escorts!
discopupils
Bluelighter
Methylone and Ibuprofen?
I've gurned too much and now I have a headache.
Is it safe to take ibuprofen while I'm still off my tits?
thanks
I've gurned too much and now I have a headache.
Is it safe to take ibuprofen while I'm still off my tits?
thanks
discopupils
Bluelighter
Thankyou 
1000mg paracetamol down the hatch.
1000mg paracetamol down the hatch.
Public//Enemy
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yeh M1 generally is like that.. its mephedrone is generally the crystally one...
an image would help tho.. coke consisteny varies xP
PS the imagie wouldnt help us determine what substance you actually have just to confirm my own personal reflection on what it looks like.
substance identification not aloud here afaik
an image would help tho.. coke consisteny varies xP
PS the imagie wouldnt help us determine what substance you actually have just to confirm my own personal reflection on what it looks like.
substance identification not aloud here afaik