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Methylone Compared to MDMA or MDA

methylone has less of a hangover effect, I think because it (methylone) disables much less compared to MDMA the enzymes to convert 5HTP into serotonin.

Methylone is also sometimes referred to as m1 or bk-MDMA
 
ChampagneSupernova said:
methylone is horrible.... I am suprised people take that stuff. I find it's peak to last about 5 minutes after come up. You feel fiendy for more like you would for cocaine, and I can't figure out why. The peak is not that enjoyable. And then you fiend for about 6 hours after your peak has went away... I bought a bit a while back and I gave most of it away. It was close to one of the worst drug experiences of my life.
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It doesn't do this to me at all. I don't like redosing M1, and never desire more than my initial dose.
 
invert said:
Personally, I've found that the more MDMA-like effects of Methylone do not respond well to redosing, i.e. I get very little return of the brief entactogenic peak, although redosing does intensify and extend the post-peak more cocaine-like stimulation. So I guess its redosing potential may depend on what you want out of it.

For me, the - already long - period of post-peak stimulation isn't what I'm after in Methylone (perfectly pleasant and good for sociableness though it is), so I'd say its not good for redosing. But if you like that kind of thing more than the peak effects, then I guess it is good for redosing.
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It is also an excelent "appetizer" before taking another chem, especially 2c-e;)
 
egor said:
It is also an excelent "appetizer" before taking another chem, especially 2c-e;)
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Oh, interesting! The brevity of its peak effects, and the cokiness of its plateau effects, has led me to - on the small number of occasions I've had or considered having a methylone/psychedelic combo - assume that taking methylone first would be pointless, and perhaps unpleasant, as the psychedelic peak would likely (unless, I suppose, one takes a more rapid route than oral for the psychedelic) coincide with the coke-like phase, which would either suppress the psychedelic or take it to paranoid places; or, if the methylone were a low enough dose, would coincide with pretty much nil effects from the methylone.

So, for instance, I've taken a low (unknown quantity; but a ++ level trip, on Shulgin's scale) dose of psilocybin/psilocin as mushrooms an hour before taking a low dose of methylone (120mg), which was utterly lovely and synergistic. This being - to keep it relevant to the topic - in contrast with MDMA (low dose, c. 80mg), which I felt combined nicely with 2C-B (also a low, c. 10-15 mg dose) taken second by an hour.

But I'm interested to hear that methylone can be taken first to good effect; because most of the times I've planned to take methylone during a trip, I haven't - because I either forget about it once I'm tripping, or it seems undesirable from the perspective of the trip.

What's your timing and dosage for the methylone/2c-e combination?
 
What if you've done a lot of MDMA and you want to just recover from the effects it left behind, a lot I mean 2-7 times a week...lol...seriously. Till the point where 6 (120mg-140mg) MDMA pills get you more speedy than social or euphoric. I think I am still recovering from a long binge..

So in this case would Methylone work better than MDMA? As far as emphatogenic effects go...
 
Yeah...I've always wanted to hippy flip. How is that in your opinion (MDMA and Mushrooms). I haven't had enough experience with the C's to mess around with them, plus I always seem to need as much benzos/weed/alcohol/narcotics to come down from the C's as I do from a long night of coca use.
 
mushrooms and methylone were nothing compared to MDMA and mushrooms. The M1/mushroom combination just felt...weird...not magical like hippy flipping. I wouldn't repeat it again.

then again i'm really done with empathogens in general (besides AMT), since they leave me feeling burned out for days and really suppress my appetite for 24+ hours after using. Don't feel healthy at all to me unlike say a clean dose of LSD or a rip of DMT.
 
I like methylone maybe better than MDMA, at least I am known to say that: M1 is smoother in every respect, it lacks the push but is still very tactile, it feels good but not like a "roll" with its connotations. And most of all it seems to lack a big part of the comedown.
Because of this difference I feel MDMA would be better at a party and M1 would be better at home lying around moaning under a blanket. These are two very good ways to enjoy this type of drug but MDMA is maybe a bit too strong to just delve into the feeling good, it's very nice but probably unneccessary, sometimes I just find the 'oh my god' quality overemphasized.
Butylone is a tad different I think, also I seem to experience it in a slightly different way than normal. Many people seem to get a stimulant effect from it but the first thing I notice is a type of overwhelming anxiety that is just plain weird, like overpowered emotion. At first it feels completely out of whack but it can be dealt with. To do this one can take control of the emotional state and kind of keep it steady and tend to it. It takes some effort but the result is a balancing of this overwhelmed feeling, you can imagine an overflowing feeling being directed in such a way that it becomes like productive and a type of "holy shit this is intense in a both good and bad manner". I can see where this doesn't sound that appealing but in a way it does have that magical quality MDMA has because MDMA also can be like "holy shit". Only MDMA provides the push itself and butylone does not, well it does but only a little. But I'll tell ya it can certainly be rewarding and combined with 2C-B it lends an intense quality that I found to be impressive. Again, it was hard to keep in check when coming up but extra special when balanced out - that, I must say, is the general theme. Is this intense feeling mistaken for anxiety by other people? I don't know but I have always said, even before trying it myself!, that this one must take some work to appreciate fully.
 
I've taken methylone twice, both ~225 mg, both on my own. Definitely not my favourite. The experiences lasted about 8 hours from dosing to the point where I could finally fall asleep; importantly, only the first few hours were enjoyable (sending "i love you dude" e-mails to friends and family, crying about happy thoughts, listening to music) while the last five or so hours were nervous and full of anxious scattered energy. Also, both times I felt the comedown didn't mix well with weed - just made me more anxious and scattered - sucky cause smoking a bowl and decompressing is sometimes my favourite part. So two hours of lovey e-mails, six hours of being embarrassed about saying some incredibly sappy things to my dad, and a long night of just waiting to sleep. Ugh. ... /rant
 
I don't know why you would preffer methylone compared to mdma if you could get both. I had 3 doses of methylone (180mg-190mg each dose) a few days ago I guess I should have listened to some advice. The first dose I felt okay and wanted a redose (I redosed within 45min or so) which hit me really nice and was afraid to take the 3rd redose since I had to start work. I then took the 3rd redose when the effects had completly gone away (4hrs later and I was already coming down). Im posting about 3 days later and I had my normal dose of clonazepam, clonidine (more than I needed), alprazolam (barely calmed me down when I usually need 0.5mg to go to sleep), drank a bit, smoked some good weed, took a little bit (10mg) oxycodone and a bit of codeine and still feel depressed and in a cooko-s nest type of mindset, plus most concerning is I have a very fast heart rate for the past 3 days.

I smoked a lot of cigarettes on the day I took the methylone and I noticed a lot of teeth grinding more so than with dextroamphetamine, ritalin, mdma (even with mdma abuse) or with cut coca (speed/meth wise).

The little sleep I got was very agitated and my body took a lot of abuse. I realize I did about half gram or so within about 5hrs-7hrs and I know your supposed to just redose within the hour max if you want to redose but it was my first time and thought it would be okay. It defiantley wasn't...since my body felt like I had about 3 days of 2-3 pills a day for a week or 150mg-400mg of mdma powder/day for week. Had a lot of vertigo when standing up and horrible time with the heart rate and my blood pressure.

I felt just like Papa when I smoked weed. I felt that instead of making for a good comedown smoke it just increased my heart rate until I got high enough and took some benzos to go to sleep which was a very agitated sleep, which is why for next time had I been prepared and knew what to expect I would have bought some hash rather than weed.

CONCLUSION: If i'm gonna do methylone again I will do no more than one dose and maximum a redose if I have benzos and sleeping aids (barbs, opioids, hash, alcohol, etc) just to be on the safe side. I hear the trick with redosing methylone is to do it within the hour max. As well I will never do it again unless I am really horribly depleated from excessive mdma use and can only use it as an alternative.
 
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1. Does MDA and MDMA have a cross tolerence?

2. Does MDMA and Methylone have a cross tolerence?

3. Does Methylone drain out seratonin just as much as coca, meth, or mdma?

4. Does Methylone have the same effects on the body as mdma? In terms of days to recover, comedown, depletion, etc.

5. If you get high on Methylone, does that mean that your seratonin levels are high enough that u could get high off mdma as well?
 
1. yes
2. yes
3. not in me by a long shot (I would not group coca with empathogens...)
4. not for me
5. sort of an invalid question...
 
I came across some very pure coca (15% shy of being pure) and 30mg lines were just as emphatogenic as mdma doses when I had no tolerence for much shorter duration of course.

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5. I thought most people (at least that I know) use methylone when they're mdma and/or seratonin is depleated. So its not really that irreleavant.

I mean 1 dose of methylone is probably nice as fuck...so would be 2 doses at most in a day, or in a week. I did 1 dose then another re-dose in half hour to 45min, and then I did another re-dose about 4hrs later which left me litterally OUT OF COMMISION...with nevous breakdowns and depressions I haven't had since narcotic w/ds and a huge heart rate and pulse that I haven't had since being methbombed and even then I went through it not as bad as this one. I've been taking double my dose of clonidine, clonazepam, xanax on top and excessive hash/weed smoke on top and I still feel rushed and depressed. 4 fucking days later...

CONCLUSION: DON'T DO MORE THAN 1-2 doses of methlyone a day and

*If u do the 2nd dose as a re-dose make sure it's within a half hour to 45min at most, not 1hr-4hrs...it just doesn't work like that.*
 
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^ This couldn't possibly be a result of the fact that a week ago you were seratonin-depleted from outrageous MDMA use? And did coke in the interim?

I don't mean to sound like a dick, but, I mean, a week ago you'd never done M1, and now you're expert enough to make blanket statements like this? 8)

Give your brain a rest. Empathogens hould be used wisely and sparingly, or not at all.

Go get some 5-HTP.
 
>>methylone has less of a hangover effect, I think because it (methylone) disables much less compared to MDMA the enzymes to convert 5HTP into serotonin.
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F and B also has a hypothesis that part of the MDMA hangover is metabolism to alpha-methyl-dopamine, which blocks some endogenous dopamine. M1 instead metabolizes to a-m-adrenalin, which isn't a problem.

ebola
 
methylone is a 3rd of the strength of mdma, not speedy like mdma can be, more loved up, not as rushy, more hornyness, no hangover, a mild comedown, hardly any gurn, and i found it very relaxing and very clean.
also it doesn't last that long. a 200mg line lasted me 45 mins.

so methylone is better for chilling out on or at a house party.

mephedrone or mdma is better for raving on.
 
I am fortunate to have a friend with a fair bit of knowlege and stock of methylone mephedrone and butylone and we have experimented with all three, trying different combinations.
Whilst methylone is a beautifull substance on its own, it lacks the speedy punch i enjoy from mdma whilst out raving.
methylone in combination with butylone at a ratio of around 60% methylone and 40% butylone is simply superb. I prefer it to either of the substances alone and find this combo to be far superior to mdma.

I have noticed through this thread that many people have been snorting methylone. I find this to be a very ineffective mode of ingestion and would reccomend bombing it in a rizla or something similar. for some reason the effects are stronger and last longer this way
 
thats odd because I find methylone more stimulating than pure MDMA. Are you sure your MDMA you are getting is pure and not cut with amphetamine/methamphetamine? LIkely if you are getting pressed pills in the US then you are taking a mix of MDMA/amphetamine/methamphetamine/caffeine. This could account for the 'speedy punch' of your MDMA experiences.
 
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