Methylone 1st time! Exciting and then...not. (LONG)

[dogtoy]

This all took place on monday and I am just now getting around to writing it, based on my notes from the experience.

2PM -I get out of bed and shower

3PM- Not sure if methylone will arrive today so I go ahead and take my aderall XR20 (i have a prescription). I am a little concerned about this because the last time I had a roll I had insuff. 1/2 of an XR20 about 3 hrs before hand, and the experience was very bland. Not what I expected, but it was also the first time I have ever eaten only 1 pill (yellow toyota, no idead what was in it), first time I had not seen my pills on ecstacydata.org, and also the first time I have ever rolled alone. So I have no idead which of these factors or maybe all of them cause this bland short experience.

3:30PM- and there's the methylone.

I went to the store and got a Ezy-dose syringe (for baby medication 10 mL divided into 1/5ths of mL). Measured 100mL into a pepsi bottle and added the 1000mg of methylone to the water, sealed the bottle and agitated until all was dissolved. End result, solution of methylone 10mg/mL, roughly the color of urine or watered apple juice.

5:30PM -eat only food of the day, barley stuffed peppers and corn, then some multivitamins

10:30PM- measure 10mL (100mg) from pepsi bottle, place in glass. I go back in to get 7.5 mL, but bc the bottle is so wide the adapter for the syringe is too small and I dribble some on the floor. Try to recover w/ towel and suck out of towel. So I start pouring it in the cap of the bottle and getting it out w/ the syring that way. Put about 7.5 mL more in the glass for a total of 175mg methylone plus whatever i sucked out of the towel (it was a couple of mL). THe solution has a ketone smell that reminds me of both pistachios and some sort of furniture cleaner.

11PM -GULP!! tastes not bad at all, better than chewing rolls. WHoohoo! I am excited.

Here I go to my room. I am on my bed and put in Armitage. Cyber-punk anime thing. Some decent music though, very flashy.

11:11- ALERT!!!!
11:15 - notes "damn starting to feel really good". I send a txt to a buddy i never see anymore that I rolled w/ the first time i ever did it.
11:24 -lots of yawning. LOTS. I tend to do this w/ mdma and mushrooms but not other stuff. The fan feels very good, and i am rubbing my fingers on my chest, mmm feels good.
11:25- jaw clenching and mild nystagmus. notes "if i was at a club i would def. be out on the dance floor now"
11:35- drank some water, very very dry mouth etc. Try vick's inhaler. Good but not as good as w/ mdma

My notes stop here because friends from above call. They want to know how I have been, what is the methylone like, is it as good as MDMA, blah blah. I think at this point was peaking but was distracted on the phone and talking through clenched teeth. I say to them I think I am not all the way up and hope I continue up, it is not the same as MDMA but has similarities. Say I might call back later and get off phone.

From here I remember just chilling, not watchinh tv but staring at it. Still with the chest and arms with my fingertips. Feels good, but around 12:15 i can tell i am not going up anymore and probably stopped around 11:45 on the phone. I actually kind of feel like amitryptaline now (a tryciclic antidepressent). Like that but w/o out all the drowsy effect. It doesn't feel much like mdma at all anymore.

I get very bored and go get some dip, i put a small ammount of tobacco in my mouth ( i can never dip on mdma bc of drymouth). After a while I start to feel more down and read some. I look at the clock, 1AM, I feel pretty much completely down, actually there is faint residual activity that reminds me of museum doses of 5-meo-amt and coming down after snorting 2-ct-2. I am dissapointed bc of how quick I am out of the experience. By 1:45 I am WAAAAY down, as in crash time.

The thing I hate most about MDMA is coming down (which is why I usually have 3 or so over about 4-6 hours time, resulting in a much longer roll) and for me methylone is much worse in this respect. All the way out in 2 hrs ater ingestion. I feel that post roll tiredness and a mild headache from neck tension and jaw clenching, but am unable to sleep for several hours.

Overall, my first impression was that methylone was VERY mdma like but i experienced what is 4-6 hrs mdma all in 2-3 hrs methylone time. Everything from come-up to crash. I also never got those distinct mdma waves of euphoria, a very similar feeling was there but much much milder, also there were almost NO mental effects for most of this experience. I felt like if there were other people around I would probably communicate very well with them, but feel no push to make friends with everybody I know. At about 12:30 I think maybe I should get online and talk to some people or call some friends, but am very unmotivated to do anything at all. So unmotivated that I never resumed taking notes on the experience.

I feel like this would a good substance to use in good company, as with mdma, but don't plan on dancing or anything. Actually the best way to use this drug I could come up with during the experience was a warm day at the beach w/ friends. I think it would be ideal and relaxing. Sun, sand, water.......

day after hangover effects milder than mdma, and shorter. Definite seratonin depletion, but also not as bad as mdma.

Conclusion: Don't expect too much. THis is true of MDMA too, it'd be better if you are not expecting it to be like something it's not. Methylone and MDMA are similar in many ways but different in many too. Enjoy each for their own good qualities. I would have probably fallen in love with methylone deeply if I had been at a quiet party or a friends apartment or something, alone I just can't get into it. I love tripping alone (tryptamines and hallucinogenic phenethylamines) but I don't think I will try to take anymore entactogen/empathogens alone anymore. It's just plain boring, never introspective or enlightening by oneself.

Questions or comments anyone? Please communicate with me :D

 

[hydrobromide]

I can never really understand why people take things like methylone and MDMA alone. Did you have any specific reasons for being alone? How was the day after effects compared to MDMA? Any noticable side-effects more than a day after? What kind of environment and activities do you think would be most suitable for Methylone?

 

[dogtoy]

clarifications

most of that is in the bottom of my post, however I did neglect to mention a few things. Day after was not fun, but not as bad as MDMA can be. Day after that was pretty much ok, then next comes today and I think I would I would have felt fine if I hadn't stayed up all night last night.

My specific reason for taking Methylone alone, was that I wanted to try it before I tried to introduce anyone else I know to it. I'd feel kinda bad if I gave a friend some and he/she totally thought it sucked, and I wanted an idea of what the effects were on a personal level as opposed to a social level.

Environments I believe suitable for methylone, a park, night or day with close friends. A beach night or day w/ close friends. A house w/ close friends. *Maybe* at a club w/ friends although I doubt this would be much fun for long at all. I would relax and enjoy company and see what unfolds. W/ a lover or significant other would be very nice, however I think intercourse would have the same problems on methylone as mdma.

At no point in the experience did I feel "too fucked up" to act or seem completely sober around people who are indeed sober. I could have talked to my mother, a policeman on the street, the little old lady at the corner laundrymat, whatever and seemed sober, except for maybe from about 15 minutes in to 45 or 50 minutes in ( a more intense period but still very manageable). My pupils were never close to being fully dialated, they were somewhat dialated though.

While methylone is not very stimulating, especially after you peak, i was VERY wiggly, especially coming up. Kind of like how I dance when there is no music when I am on MDMA, but not as good. I rub my hands lightly bc it feels good, and rememeber once I rolled and it felt so good rubbing my hands together, that I did it all night and got a rash on my palms. Methylone never felt quite that good, and the wigglies subsided with the feelings of the methylone.

Also, I didn't enjoy techno or trance on methylone. It was kind of annoying, and I usually do like various kinds of electronica. I couldn't make a connection with any fast music The best I could find to listen to was one of the Brian Eno ambient albums. Which are very subdued and mellow, and just what the doctor ordered for my coming down headache.

 

[santadog]

A ~75mg booster at 90 minutes really helps prolong the experience. I also think this is a great concert or club drug. At least the times I've gone out on it. Excellent music enhancement.
Nice report.

 

[Piper methysticum]

I have taken Methylone at 60mgs, 150mgs, 175mgs, 190mgs, and 200mgs, as my initial dose, and most of these had boosters of 50mgs, which I might add worked quite well, though it brought on more stimulation than the full effect back. However, I love stimulants, so this was very enjoyable for me. I did find it strange that it brought on a stimulant effect that was not characteristic of it from the beginning. Then again, redosing on Cocaine and Amphetamines does the same thing.

Anyway, Methylone has quite a similar character to MDMA, though it doesn't have the strong rushes, and it doesn't have the "roller coaster" effect. It also doesn't last nearly as long, which is the only downside for me. It provides a very nice, constant euphoria with a feeling of clear openness and social stimulation. Touching is very exciting, yet there isn't anything as overwhelming about it as there is with MDMA or MDA. It may be quite good for the few people that may find MDMA and MDA too intense for them. It could also be quite useful in dealing with personal issues within relationships and friendships for certain people.

My favorite dose range for Methylone is probably around 175mgs. 150mgs is not quite enough to get me where I like to be, and 190-200mgs starts to bring on some side effects. The side effects are nothing specific enough to point out but are more just a general feeling of the experience not being quite as comfortable combined with feeling like you just didn't need that much.

I'll have to say that overall it is one of the "cleanest" feeling drugs I have worked with. There is a definite come down, but there isn't a "crash." The serotonin depletion is not nearly to the extent that it is with MDMA or MDA either which is another plus. I have trip report posted on Erowid under the name "sepulfreak" for Methylone if anyone is interested. It is under the retrospective section.

 

[dogtoy]

I had wondered about the too strong effects of mdma for some people and how methylone would be. I was hoping that a friend of mine would like this. He is very reluctant to try mdma bc he is afraid the effects may be uncomfortably strong for him. That, and he has been inundated with rumors and hype about mdma being a club/ sex drug only and that is has no useful purpose. I have been trying to debase him of this idea and I believe methylone could do the trick.

It's so unlike this guy though. He is usually all about some drugs (loves lsd, mushrooms, etc.) and is very open minded. He said he would try it, so we'll see how it goes.

 

[Piper methysticum]

^^^

To be honest, from what you said, Methylone seems perfect for him. However, since he has become accustomed to traditional psychedelics, he probably will find that the traditionals are far better. ..Maybe not, but I certainly have a love far greater for Psilocybian mushrooms, Peyote, Morning Glory seeds, Salvia, and even 2C-E, 4-HO-MiPT, and LSD than I do for the entactogens. Even then, I much prefer MDA to MDMA or Methylone both because of the general intensity and the hallucinogenic effect.

 

[dogtoy]

I have always had a strong love of traditional psychedelics as well. I started tripping years before I ever tried mdma. Even still, I fell in love with mdma immediately. But I have never tried to limit myself to psychedelics, I also have a strong love for ghb and oxycontin, but never get to do those anymore, just not around them anymore.

I suppose that since my friend has always pretty much stuck to just psychedelics he will probably never love entactogens the way that I do. He definitely doesn't share my romantic notions about opiates, and a few years ago when there was a lot of G around here, the one time he did it he got sick. I realize that everyone is different...this world would suck a lot if it wasn't so. But I like to share good things when I find them, and hope that my close friends enjoy also. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't, I suppose that it is the trying that this world go 'round.

 

[Piper methysticum]

Yeah, well I am actually very into Opiates, though it may be a good thing that they aren't as available to you. They are horribly addictive.

 

[dogtoy]

I am quite familiar with the addictive properties of opiates. I spent about 4 months insuffulating 360mg of oxycontin EVERY day, without fail (this would have been a $360 a day habit in my neck of the woods if i had been paying. i have never bought but have been offered 80mg oxycontins at $80, which is way to much for me i have bought 80's for $30 before, and never paid for oxies before i bought that one). First thing I did in the morning, and last thing before bed at night, and everywhere in between, every single day. It was incredibly nice. I worked out hard 4 days a week, had over 25lbs more muscle than I do currently (i'm skinny for my height 6'2" 150lbs now) I made straight A's in school. I was HAPPY!

Then I had to quit bc of some circumstances (I actually flushed 300 10mg oxies down the toilet *tear*). All of sudden I no longer feel the need to workout, and start making c's and d's in school.

Quitting cold turkey was the most painful experience I have ever had, emotionally and physically. Which is why I do not actively seek out opiates anymore. I will still occasionally snort a few tabs, slap on a fentanyl patch, smoke some O, or make pod tea. But usually just if I happen across something. I do miss opiates intensely, even though I quit 4 yrs ago I still think about it everyday. Unless I take heroic doses, to the day, opiates don't feel the same as they once did. BLeh, depressing to think about, but I sometimes wish I could go back to those 4 months of bliss, snort 6 oc 10's , make some hot lotus tea, pop in a movie and nod out on the couch.



Said friend above, tried oxies once (chewed 2 or 3) when I was beginning my dance w/ them, well before I ever snorted one. He hated it, made him to itchy and he didn't like puking after smoking a cig. I grew to love being itchy, the itchier the better i knew I would ultimately feel, and after a time nicotine became an enhancer for me and still does not make me ill like it did at first. I was walking around all the time sporting red scratch marks under my shirt on my chest and back, itchiness for me became synonimous with euphoria. Especially in the shower.

 

[ER0X]

methylone is tricky. it has potential. but you can never be 100% that it will do you right. There's a chance you'll have a great time as long as everything is done correctly which is very hard to do,(maybe harder to understand). I wonder if 5htp will help methylonr at all.

 

[dogtoy]

Yeah i find it sort of 'tricky' too. I was sort of dissapointed with the way I ended up finishing all my methylone very shortly after I got it.

Took the last of it about 3 weeks ago. Was at a party, got very drunk, smoked a couple of bowls. Then I proceeded to take about 190mg mg of methylone. Pretty stupid call, but I was very fucked up.

Anyway, people told me the next day i was acting like i was rolling. I don't remember anything that methylone contributed to my state of intoxication except maybe some energy and lots of grinning. I do remember moving around like i was rolling, the muscle tension, that sort of thing. I took an adderall, and don't remember much after this.

When I woke up I felt absolutely terrible, my methylone bottle was gone, should have had 1 more dose in it. Either i took the other dose, someone else took it, or someone threw it away, as there were people at the party who weren't really down for it. I felt like i had slept all night with my head under a piano. About an hour after I woke up i found 2 glow sticks in my pocket that I had apparently gone and gotten from my car (maybe when i took the adderall) but never cracked open.

THen I had to drive home (about 100 miles). I got some McD's (big mac, fries, coffee), and it started to snow real bad. THere was a wind advisory and the snow was sticking all over the highway. Visibility was shit. It was a tough drive and a rough weekend, but that last night with the methylone was actually very fun. I don't think i would like to mix large quantities of alcohol with methylone again, probably not a good idea with mdma or mda either. From now on i'll keep the alcohol seperate from my MDxx chemicals.